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9:25:35.433000+08:00","text":"這樣喔？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:25:35.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:25:38.054000+08:00","text":"在中東戰火前夕，中油累計虧損已達804億，中油原先預估今年可轉虧為盈，獲利目標是80億，現在看來應該是有很大的難度！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:25:38.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:25:42.876000+08:00","text":"中油肩負穩定物價政策，針對中油虧損，請問主計長，中央是否有討論過116年編列預算來撥補中油？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:25:42.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:25:43.677000+08:00","text":"有沒有這樣的想法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:05.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:16.939000+08:00","text":"中油目前有向經濟部提出一個4年的增資計畫，我們會把它納入計畫裡面針對中油增資，以協助它度過這個難關。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:16.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:21.804000+08:00","text":"好，我希望這個要放長遠一點去看啦！是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:22.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:23.286000+08:00","text":"接下來我要請問審計長。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:23.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:36.755000+08:00","text":"審計長，審計部發展AI審計，強化應用AI人工智慧來查弊，以協助第一線審計官辦案。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:38.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:46.241000+08:00","text":"媒體報導副審計長李順保1月已經退休，被鴻海集團延攬，本席當然也祝福他。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:46.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:56.051000+08:00","text":"由於前副審計長李順保對於AI等這些科技應用相當熟悉，請問審計長，李順保副審計長退休後，是否會影響審計部未來推動AI審計的這項工作？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:26:56.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:26:56.111000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:05.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:21.879000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心這個問題，李副審計長在我們審計部任職期間，對於審計業務多所貢獻，至於他退休後的個人生涯規劃屬個人職涯選擇，本部予以尊重及祝福，但是……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:21.879000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:23.801000+08:00","text":"我知道啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:23.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:25.723000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有骨幹啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:25.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:39.357000+08:00","text":"我們在這一方面的人才，數位的人才、AI的人才非常多啦，我們有做育才訓練，我們一年訓練了一千多人次，再加上攬才、留才，會從這三方面進行，不要受到影響。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:44.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:49.566000+08:00","text":"我也希望有真正好的人才來當副審計長，整個AI的區塊由他來執掌，能夠照過去那種操作方式，我認為這個很重要。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:49.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:50.027000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們第三位副審計長就是資訊處長出身。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:27:50.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:27:50.187000+08:00","text":"這樣喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:28:03.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:28:29.583000+08:00","text":"因為過去有發生很多橋梁安全檢測虛偽的造假案例，檢測照片複製貼上，關於AI審計，本席希望審計部對於跟人民生命財產安全息息相關的這些預算，比如說橋梁、隧道安全、山坡地監測、大眾運輸維修保養等等，要加強把關的力道。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:28:30.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:28:46.203000+08:00","text":"現在AI深偽技術日新月異，許多照片與影片一時之間難以分辨真假，對於AI生成的假收據、假照片，未來審計部是否有能力揪出這些不法？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:28:46.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:28:47.565000+08:00","text":"我們對這種假照片也揪出了非常多，揪出了三百多件，這些也都移送檢調了。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:28:47.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:28:50.327000+08:00","text":"對於這方面，尤其是屬於民生方面的，像臺鐵沿線的邊坡安全，還有剛剛委員講的那幾項，我們統統都列入重點查核，因為這是關係到人民的生命財產安全。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:28:50.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:28:50.487000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，這個很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:29:17.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:29:51.827000+08:00","text":"審計長，自從本席去年12月詢問審計長有關於媒體報導253億的中油觀塘接收站（三接）外推方案外廓防波堤新建工程涉及浮報工程預算，當時審計長說社會上對這個紛紛擾擾，有財務的問題，有採購的問題，所以派審計官專案調查，到現在已經經過三個多月了，請問審計長，中油三接工程案的調查結果到現在可以對外說明嗎？","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:29:52.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:09.011000+08:00","text":"目前這個案子我們就照委員質詢時的指示去查了，第一個，我們把它移送檢調；第二個，我們已經移送監察院，整個案子因為進了檢調、進了監察院，現在這兩個單位在了解中，因為它有失職的問題……","quality":0.747},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:09.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:09.292000+08:00","text":"好，要積極偵辦啦！好。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:09.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:54.815000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題，審計長，政府預算違法濫用，審計部有職責做後續的追蹤，把不當使用的這些預算刪除，不管是中選會前主委陳英鈐違法失職重新刊登公報使用了931萬元，或是之前審計部查核勞動部就安基金濫用預算7,224萬元，請問審計部，對於這些違法使用的預算何時能夠追回來？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:54.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:30:56.336000+08:00","text":"總不能遙遙無期，沒有結果吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳審計長瑞敏","start":"2026-03-16T09:30:56.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:02.800000+08:00","text":"有關這個部分，就安是我們今年的重點查核項目，我們已經派人到勞動部去查這些問題了。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:03.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:04+08:00","text":"積極追查，我們要看成果，好不好？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:04.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:04.060000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，謝謝兩位。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-16T09:31:04.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-16T09:31:07.702857+08:00","text":"第二位請賴士葆委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}