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我想就是說一個新的一個契機我們當然知道貿易的一個談判其實這是屬於非常的機密所以說事前我們也不能洩漏的太多可是這個有很大的一個困難存在那在這麼多的一個困難裡頭我們不能把底線洩漏出來"},{"start":241.833,"end":270.483,"text":"可是如果像目前為止我們看到了這個15%的一個關稅我們其實是擔心的因為擔心什麼擔心就是說台灣的農業的一個競爭他其實面臨到一個轉型上的一個困難那這個困難該怎麼辦那我想在這裡請教部長就是說針對的就是說在這一次蝴蝶蘭還有就是我們的茶葉那用什麼樣"},{"start":272.353,"end":285.365,"text":"現在應該談完了是不是可以講就是說下一個下一個我們在農業談判的一個國家到底是哪一個國家會是日本嗎我想知道"},{"start":287.104,"end":309.974,"text":"我跟第一個跟委員報告就是說台美的對等關稅談判我們有一個階段就是ART的這個階段那現在美方正在確認它的一個相關的這些法律本身的一個條文的適合性那我們不會針對這個部分去把它推翻因為我剛才說了它是一個新的契機而且是一個很好的一個結果"},{"start":310.954,"end":334.67,"text":"那第二個部分就是說現在目前的10家MFM本身是對美國對全球性的所以我們的立足點是平等的那立足點平等對台灣也是有利的那以本來的32%或20%的時候那荷蘭以蝴蝶蘭講荷蘭是我們的對手他只有15%我們20%反而是沒有利的所以比起去年"},{"start":335.35,"end":360.299,"text":"今年現在臨時性的10家MFN其實是對台灣有利的那第三個部分就是除了美國市場以外我們還會持續的開拓其他的市場那開拓其他的市場的關稅的談判就沒有像台美之間用整體信訊台可能是一項一項談我跟你講這樣的一個用蝴蝶蘭的一個比較說法荷蘭20%然後台灣15%這個我聽不下去因為台灣本來是0的"},{"start":364.96,"end":382.337,"text":"所以就是说在这一次的谈判过程因为我们无一幸免当然就是说在谈判的过程里头是非常好的可是在所有的蝴蝶兰的产业里头我们怎么样去补贴它这个是我们真正的要面临到的一个问题"},{"start":383.098,"end":408.286,"text":"然後我們必須要非常具體的去回復這些廠商因為你知道在整個這個蝴蝶蘭的一個產業裡頭它面臨到了一個非常大非常大的一個困難因為我們沒有拿出一個具體的方法來所以相對的我現在也是要再跟院長就是再做一個請教就是說我們是不是有積極進行就是"},{"start":408.966,"end":436.419,"text":"爭取進入到那個CPTTP的這一個自由貿易的組織裡頭如果是有的話其實我也是擔心的為什麼這個對於我們台灣的一個農業它變成就是說我們是很大的一個負擔因為我們出口的少進口的多那我的米我的稻米呢我的稻米在日本跟越南米他們不斷的精進的過程裡頭我們拿什麼去跟人家競爭"},{"start":437.543,"end":463.776,"text":"拿什麼去跟人家見證這個是非常重要的還有我們最大的困難在哪裡我們的虱目魚我們的養殖儀類這個是日本的一個強項萬一我們很積極的我們的談判的一個對手國跟我們要求就是我們也要適當的一個開放的時候那我們要開放什麼產業這個都是一個我們非常需要就是好好的去思維的一個議題"},{"start":465.097,"end":488.898,"text":"那還有就是說 西木葉的衝擊是最大 其實我們的豬 院長我比較不擔心因為我們台灣豬 他那個肉乾是進口的豬 沒有辦法取代的可是相對的我們的雞啦 我們的雞其實這個也是一個很嚴重的一個問題還有我們的公糧制度 我們可能會被迫要去調整那我們有沒有準備好"},{"start":489.349,"end":496.687,"text":"那這個是一個我想就是要在這個過程裡頭跟大家做不斷的一個提醒"},{"start":497.363,"end":526.733,"text":"好 各位先做兩段的報告第一個是原來在談判過程當中在ART的內容我們爭取到與副院長的談判團隊爭取到美國是用IPA的這個條文給我們專屬的豁免包括蝴蝶男在內專屬豁免那現在因為經過美國最高法院的判決這個被推翻掉美國正在尋找其他的法律途徑所以他用新的122的這個條款所以這個專屬豁免就被取消掉了"},{"start":527.293,"end":543.272,"text":"所以剛剛就是委員所說的本來是0現在變成10%在競爭力上比過去還不好所以現在我們跟美國談判最重要的原則就是我們希望極力爭取那麼也聽到美國有善意的回應我們能夠以原來的ART所談的內容"},{"start":544.614,"end":572.084,"text":"所得到的這種相對的最佳的一些待遇我們作為未來再繼續後續在美國調整法律途徑以及後續其他法律調查的基礎希望維持在R的這個最有利的地位上面那這個我們雙方都有相當的默契當然要辛苦努力那我們正在朝這個方向來進行好 謝謝院長我只補充一件事情就是您剛才說的胡田安我們原來是零那事實上我們的競爭對手國州當時也是零"},{"start":574.076,"end":600.34,"text":"那現在是10%他們也是10%所以在我們的競爭的立足點是一致的只是沒有錯增加了10%的關稅是對業者是一個負擔所以我們還是在我們的任性條例裡面的180億的這個額度之內我們還是盡量的協助業者這第一個說明第二個說明您剛才提的就是還有其他的國家譬如CPTPP本身的一個談判那其實在談判的過程中"},{"start":601,"end":625.988,"text":"我們本身一定不會說全部都零關稅因為每一個國家談判的時候都有他必須要去守護的糧食安全的部分所以後續我想我們會來非常清楚補貼再補貼補助再補助所有的農業尤其是在現有的國際情勢這麼緊張其實所有的農業都是國安都是國安的一個農業"},{"start":627.208,"end":644.224,"text":"所以我希望就是說可以再更多的補貼再更多的補助那我們現在就是說要再跟院長講到了特別講到了就是產業轉型的農業產業轉型的一個十字路尤其是養豬產業養豬產業其實我們台灣一年吃掉了700萬頭的豬"},{"start":649.369,"end":662.03,"text":"那平均一天吃掉兩萬頭這個不是台灣人很會吃其實是台灣豬站在我們日常生活裡頭我們非常重要的是一個食材"},{"start":662.642,"end":681.761,"text":"那年產大概886億大概占我們農林畜牧總值20%以上這是一個非常大的一個產業其實在這裡今天特別要跟院長來做一個探討的就是說其實時代一直在進步科技產業也一直就是在轉型"},{"start":682.722,"end":711.407,"text":"那所有的畜牧產業其實也導入了就是一個智慧的一個養殖還有土地的成本這麼高那事實上就是說我們不希望就是每一次每一次的一個理容都是因為重大的事件發生了以後我們跟告訴他說你這個是那個所以你不能繼續吃我們是不是有一個比較好的方式就是說我們可以一先的來就是"},{"start":711.907,"end":722.873,"text":"特別提醒他們就是說如果你們是老龍了你們沒有辦法是有一個產業規模化的時候你們應該先退場那在這裡我想要跟"},{"start":724.622,"end":750.014,"text":"跟部長做一個 部長跟院長做一個探討就是說轉型跟退場的機制有沒有辦法變形我們參考荷蘭跟德國國外的這一些資料裡頭尤其荷蘭是在歐洲畜牧 畜牧密度最高的一個地方那他們其實通常是用什麼樣的一個方式你看到他們的一個預算也是跟我們農業部的預算差不多"},{"start":750.874,"end":774.467,"text":"大概都是1800億可是在這個荷蘭他的離幕他有編了一個大概超過63億台幣的一個定期的一個預算預算就是說我要讓這些畜牧產業還是小規模的畜牧產業這些老農可以是以一個有尊嚴的退場"},{"start":775.307,"end":796.713,"text":"那我想說這個是非常重要的就是也跟那個院長做一個提醒不要是每一次每一次我們的離幕政策都是一個重大事件不管是87年那個我們的口蹄疫發生還是我們97年97年的時候澎湖縣政府因為我們為了要把它"},{"start":797.313,"end":816.659,"text":"那個發展為就是觀光跟虎島的一個有機的一個地方所以我們讓他整個就是養豬的產業畜牧的產業整個離開我想是不是應該就是說時代的變遷小型的牧場跟老龍沒有辦法符合現行的一個產業能量的時候"},{"start":817.399,"end":841.334,"text":"成本沒有辦法再增加而不是出事了在胡搗這個是也是跟那個院長做一個那個提醒這個是我們期待的還有針對的就是AI產業那個部長你請回我想邀請那個國科會跟那個經濟部部長針對的就是大南方大南方那個新矽谷的這一個計畫"},{"start":843.215,"end":866.283,"text":"那個院長做一個探討就是說如果我們用這個AI教父黃仁興在今年一頁在達沃斯的一個世界經濟的論壇裡頭他提出了就是說把AI的一個產業分成就是一個五成的蛋糕最上層的這個應用層其實就是我的機器人產業最重要最重要的一個實現的一個場域"},{"start":868.171,"end":893.507,"text":"那我在這裡要跟院長做一個報告到目前為止我的六甲產業園區機器人產業園區看不到人也看不到錢所有的都移到了就是我們的那個砂輪所以這個是不是可以請那個國科會主委回答我為什麼問題會是這個樣子喊了這麼久了結果沒人沒錢結果又選團這麼好"},{"start":897.302,"end":913.415,"text":"六甲已經啟動了現在公園院人人已經在聽家當中但是我們的那個新的計畫機器人的計畫今年啟動但我們也希望說立法院趕快省這個預算讓我們的新的這個機器人的方案能夠盡快推動"},{"start":914.096,"end":928.052,"text":"好 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我跟你講當然也是卡在預算卡在預算也不是特別就是卡我這一條這整個就是在野黨的卡預算已經是讓國家陷入一個這個非常混亂的一個狀況"},{"start":931.235,"end":947.855,"text":"我在這裡特別那個就是請教主委如果就是說我們機器人的產業如果我們是用100億的政府100億的投資那民間會多少的投資這個可以產生多少的一個產能我想聽聽看主委你怎麼樣規劃這一個產業他的KPY在哪裡"},{"start":951.698,"end":961.472,"text":"智慧機器人產業就是因為要發展AIAI將來不是只有在電腦在手機上使用而是我們在各種各樣的行業服務型的機器人"},{"start":993.608,"end":993.628,"text":"好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:22:52.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:05.604000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，院長，你先暫時休息一下，第一題請副院長跟農業部長，來跟我共同探討臺灣的農業在未來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:05.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:10.266000+08:00","text":"不好意思，賴委員，因為副院長在總質詢時不上臺備詢。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:10.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:10.746000+08:00","text":"副院長，他不上臺備詢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:13.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:17.536000+08:00","text":"副院長在總質詢時沒有，依例沒有，只有在專案的時候。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:18.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:23.244000+08:00","text":"好，那就請院長還有農業部部長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:23.244000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:24.244000+08:00","text":"請農業部部長是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:23.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:24.506000+08:00","text":"部長還有誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:24.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:28.051000+08:00","text":"部長跟院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:28.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:29.153000+08:00","text":"院長，卓院長就先不要休息。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:29.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:35.504000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:35.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:41.855000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:41.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:43.455000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長跟部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:43.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:23:54.459000+08:00","text":"今天針對的是農業在這一次談判的議題，還有未來農業的展望，跟院長及部長做一個探討。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:23:54.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:24:14.337000+08:00","text":"因為本席來自於農業選區，農業的議題跟我生活上是息息相關，臺灣在這一次對美談判，對農業四大目標的達標，其實都給我們很大的鼓勵跟興奮。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:24:14.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:24:26.383000+08:00","text":"可是針對「外銷更有利」、「國產有確保」部分，事實上這四大目標的達陣，是不是真正符合農民的需求？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:24:28.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:24:35.051000+08:00","text":"目標是不是就是談判前的設定，還是談判以後的包裝？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:24:35.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:24:36.953000+08:00","text":"這四大目標如何訂定？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:24:37.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:24:40.236000+08:00","text":"還有為什麼是這四項？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:24:40.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:25:05.959000+08:00","text":"當然在這整個談判的過程裡頭，我想也要跟副院長感謝，整個談判的團隊就整體而言，在這個談判的過程裡頭，對於農業的保護，事實上已經做到非常、非常好，可是15%的關稅還在！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:25:06.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:25:26.854000+08:00","text":"就講我們的蝴蝶蘭，蝴蝶蘭本來是沒有關稅的，銷美是沒有關稅的，現在不管是15%，還是12%，就外銷關稅對內的發展，是不是請部長來做說明？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:25:28.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:25:46.046000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明，在臺美的對等關稅，基本上，當初我們在談判時所處的態度，就是第一個要確保糧食安全；第二個就是讓我們的外銷維持競爭力；第三個要確保農民的權益，還有產業永續發展。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:25:46.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:25:57.733000+08:00","text":"有關於確保競爭力的部分，我們在談的時候，希望有一些項目能夠豁免，所謂的豁免對等關稅，就是回到它原來的MFN。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:25:58.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:26:06.138000+08:00","text":"像蝴蝶蘭之類的話，它原來就是零，所以類似這樣子，我們去爭取更多這樣的豁免項目。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:26:07.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:26:12.809000+08:00","text":"我們在ART的內容，雖然現在還沒有完全定案……對。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:26:14.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:26:22.719000+08:00","text":"但是就內容來講、事實上對農業來講，是一個新的機會跟一個新的契機，讓我們能夠有更強的外銷競爭力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:26:24.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:26:55.217000+08:00","text":"好，部長，一個新的契機，我們當然知道貿易的談判，其實屬於非常的機密，事前也不能洩漏的太多，可是這個有很大的困難存在，在這麼多的困難裡頭，我們不能把底線洩漏出來，可是如果像目前為止，我們看到了15%的關稅，我們其實是擔心的，擔心什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-0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6-03-17T11:31:02.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:31:16.708000+08:00","text":"第一個，原來在談判過程中，ART的內容副院長是爭取到用美國IEEPA的條文來給我們專屬豁免，包括蝴蝶蘭在內，這是專屬豁免。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:31:17.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:31:29.713000+08:00","text":"但現在關稅因為經過美國最高法院判決已被推翻掉，所以美國正在尋找其他的法律途徑，並改用新的122條款，所以專屬豁免就被取消掉了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:31:30.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:31:35.700000+08:00","text":"這就是剛剛委員所說的，本來是零，現在變成10%，在競爭力上比過去還不好！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:31:37.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:01.639000+08:00","text":"現在我們跟美國談判最重要的原則就是我們希望極力爭取，也聽到美國有善意的回應，能夠以原來所談的ART內容、所得到相對的、最佳的一些待遇，作為未來再繼續、在美國調整法律途徑以及後續其他法律調查的基礎下，希望維持在ART這個最有利的基礎上。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:02.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:07.061000+08:00","text":"這個雙方都有相當的默契，當然，這要經過努力，但我們正在朝這個方向進行。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:08.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:09.462000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:09.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:10.743000+08:00","text":"委員，我只補充一件事情。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:11.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:15.064000+08:00","text":"您剛才說蝴蝶蘭我們原來是零，事實上，我們的競爭對手國當時也是零。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:17.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:22.921000+08:00","text":"現在我們是10%，他們也是10%，所以競爭的立足點是一致的。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:24.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:35.633000+08:00","text":"不過沒有錯，增加10%的關稅對業者來說是一項負擔，所以我們還是會在韌性條例那180億的額度之內，儘量協助業者，這是第一個說明。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:35.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:40.777000+08:00","text":"第二個說明，您剛才提到還有與其他國家，譬如CPTPP的談判。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:41.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:32:56.204000+08:00","text":"其實透過談判並不會達成全部零關稅，因為每一個國家在談判時都有必須守護的糧食安全，所以後續我們會來……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:32:56.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:33:14.853000+08:00","text":"非常清楚，也就是補貼再補貼、補助再補助所有的農業，尤其現在國際情勢這麼緊張，而農業其實就是與國安相關的產業，所以我希望可以再爭取更多的補貼與更多的補助。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:33:15.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:33:25.663000+08:00","text":"在此我要跟院長特別提到的是，現在我們正面臨農業及產業轉型的十字路口，尤其是養豬產業。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:33:26.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:33:56.513000+08:00","text":"臺灣一年吃掉700萬頭豬，平均一天吃掉2萬頭，這並非臺灣人很會吃，而是臺灣豬在我們日常生活中就是一項非常重要的食材，年產值約886億，占農林畜牧總產值20%以上，是一個非常大的產業。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:33:57.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:34:13.163000+08:00","text":"所以我今天要特別跟院長探討的是，時代一直在進步，科技產業也一直在轉型，現今所有畜牧產業雖然導入了智慧養殖，但土地成本卻這麼高。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:34:15.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:34:23.545000+08:00","text":"為此，我們不希望每一次離農都是因為發生重大事件後才告訴他們：不能再用廚餘飼養！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:34:27.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:34:30.986000+08:00","text":"所以是不是應該有一個比較好的方式？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:34:31.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:34:44.612000+08:00","text":"也就是預先提醒他們，一旦老了，無法產業規模化時就應該先退場。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:34:44.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:34:54.465000+08:00","text":"在這裡我要與部長、院長探討的是，轉型跟退場機制有沒有辦法變型？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:34:55.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:35:07.971000+08:00","text":"我們參考荷蘭跟德國等國外的這一些資料，尤其荷蘭是在歐洲畜牧密度最高的地方，他們通常是用什麼樣的方式？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:35:08.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:36:12.157000+08:00","text":"其實他們的預算跟我們農業部的預算差不多，大概都是1,800億，可是荷蘭的離牧有編了超過63億臺幣的定期預算，就是要讓這些畜牧產業、小規模畜牧產業的老農可以有尊嚴的退場，我想這是非常重要的，也跟院長做一個提醒，不要每一次我們的離牧政策都是因為有重大事件發生，不管是87年口蹄疫發生，還是97年澎湖縣政府為了要發展觀光將其輔導成有機的地方，所以我們讓養豬產業、畜牧產業整個離開。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:36:12.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:36:31.486000+08:00","text":"我想時代變遷了，當小型牧場跟老農無法負荷現行產業量能的時候，成本沒有辦法再增加，而不是出事了再來輔導，這個部分跟院長做一個提醒，這是我們所期待的。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:36:35.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:36:38.991000+08:00","text":"部長請回，我想邀請國科會跟經濟部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:36:40.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:37:34.165000+08:00","text":"接下來要針對AI產業、大南方新矽谷計畫跟院長做一個探討，如果我們用AI教父黃仁勳在今年1月在達沃斯世界經濟論壇提出的，把AI產業分成五層的蛋糕，最上層的應用層就是機器人產業，最重要的實現場域，我在這裡要跟院長做個報告，到目前為止，我的六甲機器人產業園區看不到人也看不到錢，所有的都移到了沙崙，這個部分是不是可以請國科會主委回答我，為什麼問題會是這樣子？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:37:34.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:37:36.487000+08:00","text":"喊了這麼久，結果沒人也沒錢，還宣傳的這麼好。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-03-17T11:37:40.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:37:56.415000+08:00","text":"六甲已經啟動了，現在工研院的人已經在增加當中，我們新的機器人計畫今年會啟動，我們也希望立法院能趕快審相關的預算，讓我們新的機器人方案能夠儘快推動。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:37:57.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:11.052000+08:00","text":"主委，我跟你講，當然也是卡在預算，但不是特別卡我這一條，整個在野黨卡預算已經是讓國家陷入一個非常混亂的狀況。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:14.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:25.969000+08:00","text":"我在這裡特別請教主委，我們的機器人產業如果政府是用100億來投資，那民間會有多少投資？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:25.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:27.911000+08:00","text":"這個可以產生多少的產能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:28.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:30.855000+08:00","text":"我想聽聽看主委怎麼樣規劃這個產業，它的KPI在哪裡？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:34.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:44.452000+08:00","text":"智慧機器人產業是因為要發展AI，AI將來不是只有在電腦，也不是只有在手機上使用，而是我們各種各樣的行業，服務型的機器人會大量的發展，現在國科會跟經濟部正在努力推動當中，我想將來發展的產值一定會十倍、百倍的成長，非常適合投資……","quality":0.485},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:44.452000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:38:55.170667+08:00","text":"好，十倍、百倍，我們創造更多的產值。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:38:55.170667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:05.889333+08:00","text":"在這裡還是要跟部長再做拜託，我這邊的土地最多、人最少，什麼樣的產業歡迎到我這裡來，我的農業要轉型……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:05.889333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:16.608000+08:00","text":"這個已經在AI新十大建設裡面的關鍵技術納進來了，柳營當然是一個重要的基地。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:16.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:16.628000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:17.128000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:20.842286+08:00","text":"謝謝，謝謝賴委員，也謝謝卓院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:21.142286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:24.856571+08:00","text":"報告院會，上午的質詢到此為止。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:25.156571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:33.728000+08:00","text":"另外，依協商結論，本次會議不處理臨時提案，下午2點30分繼續開會，進行質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:34.028000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:35.170857+08:00","text":"現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-17T11:39:35.470857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-17T11:39:36.613714+08:00","text":"休息（11時39分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}