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Cloud以後他很多那個之前前天發生的那個風險昨天已經就是被他解決掉所以今天我們在這裡討論的AI的專題報告是沒錯那我們已經看到AI的整個快速的這樣的指數型的快速逆轉"},{"start":404.75,"end":418.476,"text":"我們期待速發不要跟著上時代這是最重點的速度速度是非常重要的對我們的一個速度跟安全嘛要相對所以我在這裡特別"},{"start":420.677,"end":444.911,"text":"也要求我們樹發部要特別來努力好不好這個養龍蝦的安全關係著社會大眾關係著企業希望能夠跟上腳步那在這裡我們還要補充跟樹發部我也做一點要求跟肯定是 謝謝詐騙是國人大家真的就是覺得是一個很嚴重的問題"},{"start":446.171,"end":471.35,"text":"那林部長有跟我提到我們打詐過去我們跟日本要調資料要兩個月現在縮短到三天我想這對打詐很有幫助但是我們目前對Meta Google這些平台我們還要多久如果需要調閱資料"},{"start":473.646,"end":482.795,"text":"我們現在Meta跟Google目前Meta應該也很快多快三天也是三天吧Google比較慢一點"},{"start":495.069,"end":510.869,"text":"一個月所以我們期待我們樹花部繼續努力好不好如果我們的目標也是三天所以我們打炸才有幫助這是我們提取的好不好 美麗樹花部我們加油好 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AI。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:21:21.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:21:51.434000+08:00","text":"我們以前用ChatGPT等這種AI工具的時候，它純粹是跟我們對話，不會跟現實世界產生任何互動，但是有了Agentic AI以後，可以透過OpenClaw，就是我們講的龍蝦這個軟體，就可以讓LLM這些大型語言軟體去幫我做一些事情，譬如它可以幫我在YouTube上面發布影片。了解。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:21:52.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:21:54.875000+08:00","text":"也可以幫我去訂機票等等……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:21:54.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:22:00.418000+08:00","text":"好，林部長都有掌握，對不對？是。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:22:00.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:22:20.956000+08:00","text":"我在這邊想請教，既然我們現在這種AI代理的數位助理，這樣開源式的AI代理程式已經廣泛運用，尤其我們看到我剛剛講的輝達也都要來開發了。是。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:22:21.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:23:02.212000+08:00","text":"但是從剛剛部長所談的我們了解這樣的運用，用AI來運用AI、用AI來使用AI產生高效率，我們看到它正面的面向，我想請教部長的是養龍蝦（OpenClaw）這樣的一個代理程式在資安的風險，你有沒有任何看法？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:23:03.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:23:23.215000+08:00","text":"大家都注意到，「龍蝦」的確可以幫我們做很多事情，甚至於可以使用我們的信用卡去網路上買一些東西或買一些服務，現在所謂的風險，除了個資以外，甚至於它有時候會幫我們去刷卡，刷了很多很多錢，讓我們一覺醒來以後發現錢包破了一個洞。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:23:23.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:23:37.402000+08:00","text":"因為這個原因，所以昨天輝達黃仁勳也宣布他們要做NemoClaw，NemoClaw就是在OpenClaw的基礎上做了一些加強，主要就是在資安方面的加強。","quality":0.746},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:23:37.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:00.835000+08:00","text":"這樣我們就瞭解了，OpenClaw的資安風險還是很高，所以黃仁勳他們要推的就是NemoClaw，針對資安風險，希望在企業的運用上能夠更加安全、能夠更加控制風險，對不對？是。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:00.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:01.235000+08:00","text":"這樣的論點是對的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:01.235000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:02.235000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:01.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:12.524000+08:00","text":"好，我們都知道有風險，但是現在也有很多用戶在「養龍蝦」，對不對？是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:13.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:23.354000+08:00","text":"因為存在風險，我要請教數發部，針對這樣的資安風險，你們有跟上嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:23.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:24.454000+08:00","text":"你們有什麼計畫和作為嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:27.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:49.305000+08:00","text":"委員提的這個問題非常好，因為現在AI的發展非常快速，事實上，數發部在AI的監理上一直必須做到平衡，一方面我們希望做一些監管，保護大家的個資等各方面的安全；但是另外一方面，我們又擔心太多的監管會阻礙到科技的發展。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:49.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:24:51.685000+08:00","text":"事實上，這也是歐盟跟美國的……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:24:51.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:05.591000+08:00","text":"部長，我跟你講，我們的速度要快，數位部管理資安，我有一個建議是我們一定要跟上AI的速度，對不對？是。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:06.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:26.307000+08:00","text":"現在很簡單，我們看到大陸已經限制公部門還有國家的企業都不能「養龍蝦」，我們也看到包括Meta、Google、微軟、Amazon等也都禁止員工使用OpenClaw。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:27.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:40.820000+08:00","text":"昨天大陸國家安全部也公布了一個「龍蝦安全養殖手冊」來示警，說明「養龍蝦」可能會面臨的風險等等。是。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:47.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:51.652000+08:00","text":"數發部是否也已經啟動這樣的風險評估？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:52.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:56.637000+08:00","text":"有沒有發布任何相關指引的作為？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:57.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:25:58.219000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有在研議？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:25:59.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:11.372000+08:00","text":"你們是不是也可以評估並發布一個「龍蝦」的安全手冊？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:13.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:14.655000+08:00","text":"數發部有沒有準備實施這些相關措施？","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:14.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:20.221000+08:00","text":"是，委員講得非常好，謝謝委員的提醒，但是因為這個科技的發展實在太快了！對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:20.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:20.381000+08:00","text":"真的很快啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:21.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:35.106000+08:00","text":"譬如說，前天我們認為OpenClaw有很多的資安風險，可是昨天黃仁勳又發表了NemoClaw，前天還在發生的風險，昨天就已經被他解除掉了。對啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:35.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:36.647000+08:00","text":"所以今天我們在這裡進行AI的專題報告並一起討論，對不對？沒錯。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:36.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:53.913000+08:00","text":"我們已經看到AI整個指數型的快速運轉，我們期待數發部要跟得上時代，最大的重點就是速度。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:54.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:26:55.974000+08:00","text":"當然，速度是非常重要的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:26:56.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:00.856000+08:00","text":"對，我們的速度跟安全要相對，對不對？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:00.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:07.740000+08:00","text":"所以我在這裡特別要求數發部要努力，好不好？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:07.740000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:08.740000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:08.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:15.444000+08:00","text":"「養龍蝦」的安全是關係到社會大眾、關係到企業，所以希望你們能夠跟上腳步。是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:16.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:22.347000+08:00","text":"在這裡我對數發部也要做一點要求跟肯定。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:22.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:23.868000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:24.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:43.682000+08:00","text":"特別國人覺得有一個很嚴重的問題，林部長有跟我提到，我們在打擊LINE的詐騙，過去我們要跟日本調資料需要2個月，現在縮短到3天，對不對？是。","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:44.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:47.004000+08:00","text":"我想這對打詐很有幫助。是。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:47.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:54.330000+08:00","text":"但是我們目前如果需要向Meta、Google這些平臺調閱資料，還要等多久？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:56.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:58.668000+08:00","text":"現在Meta跟Google……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:58.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:27:59.668000+08:00","text":"像現在LINE是3天。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:59.668000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:00.668000+08:00","text":"我請數位產業署署長說明。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長俊秀","start":"2026-03-18T09:27:59.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:02.752000+08:00","text":"目前Meta應該也很快。多快？3天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:02.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:03.332000+08:00","text":"也是3天嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林署長俊秀","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:03.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:05.795000+08:00","text":"Google比較慢一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:05.795000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:20.112000+08:00","text":"Google要多久？1個月。","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:20.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:23.656000+08:00","text":"我們期待數發部繼續努力，好不好？好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:24.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:29.043000+08:00","text":"我們的目標是Google也縮短為3天，這樣對我們打詐才有幫助。是。","quality":0.483},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:29.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:31.486000+08:00","text":"這是我們要提醒的，好不好？好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:32.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:33.468000+08:00","text":"我要勉勵數發部，你們要加油。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:33.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:36.825143+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的提醒與支持。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:37.125143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:40.839429+08:00","text":"好，非常感謝陳清龍委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:41.139429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:44.568000+08:00","text":"接下來邀請萬美玲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}