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謝謝速發部"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:54.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:54.095000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:54.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:58.243000+08:00","text":"有請數發部林部長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:58.243000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:28:59.243000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:28:58.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:01.209000+08:00","text":"再請警政署資訊室王副主任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:02.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:03.833000+08:00","text":"請警政署資訊室王副主任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:06.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:06.935000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:07.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:07.395000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:07.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:16.081000+08:00","text":"在AI時代，我們都知道AI軟體除了可以當輔助工具之外，同時很多時候會被濫用，像這種現象都存在。是。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:16.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:26.708000+08:00","text":"我們現在就看到有出現AI換臉，本席也有跟你討論過一鍵脫衣的軟體被違法使用，而且這會構成非常嚴重的侵害。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:28.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:38.114000+08:00","text":"本席所說的這些工具軟體可以說是橫行，不管是尋找、操作，其實都算十分容易，受害者就會比較多。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:39.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:49.360000+08:00","text":"根據民團展翅協會的統計，在去年檢舉熱線受理了將近2,500件兒少性影像的案件，我真的覺得非常可惡。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:49.360000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:29:50.360000+08:00","text":"是，非常可惡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:29:50.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:30:11.248000+08:00","text":"其中就發現有58個網路平臺提供了AI換臉、一鍵脫衣的功能，本席看到衛福部保護司的統計，兒少性影像申訴的案件從112年修法以後有56件，到114年暴增到1,033件，這是我們看到的數字，也許還有黑數，那就更可怕了。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:30:12.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:30:26.118000+08:00","text":"其中兒少深偽性影像的案件數過去是1件，到現在已經有9件了，我覺得其實不會只按照這樣的速度增加，增加的速度一旦往上的時候，受害者會非常的多，您可以看一下這個表格。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:30:27.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:30:47.489000+08:00","text":"我們看到對於AI產出的性影像雖然可以透過兒少性剝削防制條例去下架不當性影像，但是下架畢竟已經是後端，我們對於產出這些性影像的AI工具軟體現在是無法可管，而且這個狀況就陷入了治標不治本，你對這個問題是怎麼看？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:30:48.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:05.637000+08:00","text":"委員講得非常對，我們現在最大的問題不是單單無法可管而已，因為有很多的雲端工具，事實上，它的位置都在國外，所以在司法上我們並沒有管轄權，這是令很多國家都非常頭大的問題。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:05.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:15.848000+08:00","text":"部長，您這樣的回答讓我覺得憂心忡忡，聽起來我們不但無法可管，而且因為它是在境外，我們就更沒有辦法管，我想國人聽到這樣會心碎了一地。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:16.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:18.951000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們有解決方案，我可以跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:19.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:20.072000+08:00","text":"你們有解決方案？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:20.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:21.353000+08:00","text":"是，我們有解決的方法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:22.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:23.656000+08:00","text":"請說，給你30秒。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:25.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:28.141000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們就是快速的下架，譬如說，對兒少……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:29.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:29.802000+08:00","text":"好，再來。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:30.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:36.169000+08:00","text":"另外一個就是我們要求標示，對所有AI產生的影像，我們希望要做標示，我們也希望……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:36.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:36.909000+08:00","text":"要標示清楚。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:37.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:38.731000+08:00","text":"對，要說明這是AI產生的。再來。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:39.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:45.018000+08:00","text":"對所有違法的部分，我們會跟衛福部合作，縮短下架的時程。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:45.018000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:46.018000+08:00","text":"儘快下架。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:45.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:46.239000+08:00","text":"儘快下架。再來。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:48.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:48.977000+08:00","text":"基本上的大方向就是這樣。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:49.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:50.397000+08:00","text":"所以還是下架嘛！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:51.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:51.938000+08:00","text":"因為你只給我30秒的時間。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:53.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:31:55.060000+08:00","text":"主席也才給我6加2分鐘。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:31:56.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:04.206000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，聽起來除了下架還是下架，但是我覺得對於源頭這件事情，所謂的無法可管，我們覺得還是要思考一下怎麼去做。對。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:04.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:08.549000+08:00","text":"當然，你剛剛講的那兩點，在目前無法可管的情況之下，我也同意。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:09.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:33.049000+08:00","text":"但是我們來看，根據我們在去年通過的人工智慧基本法，數發部必須要定出AI風險分類框架，這個框架非常重要，因為我們要提供給各目的事業主管機關去訂定要怎麼樣去管理，但是這個風險分類的框架，在去年12月人工智慧基本法通過以後，到現在數發部做了沒有？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:35.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:36.931000+08:00","text":"完成了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:37.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:38.472000+08:00","text":"框架已經完成了，現在……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:38.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:42.275000+08:00","text":"框架完成了，送行政院了嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:42.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:43.416000+08:00","text":"我請策略司司長說明。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:43.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:44.778000+08:00","text":"這個不能亂講，到底完成了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡司長壽洤","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:45.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:48.033000+08:00","text":"框架的部分目前都完成了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:48.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:48.473000+08:00","text":"通通完成了？對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:49.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:50.776000+08:00","text":"送行政院核定了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡司長壽洤","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:50.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:52.818000+08:00","text":"目前我們預計大概4月……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:53.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:53.519000+08:00","text":"送了還是沒有送？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蔡司長壽洤","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:53.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:55.100000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:55.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:55.861000+08:00","text":"完成了為什麼不送？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:32:56.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:32:59.505000+08:00","text":"剛才一直說快快快，下架都要快，這個框架完成了為什麼不送？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"蔡司長壽洤","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:00.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:02.769000+08:00","text":"因為目前我們正在做最後的法制盤點作業。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:04.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:04.550000+08:00","text":"要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡司長壽洤","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:05.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:06.771000+08:00","text":"我們大概是拚3月底、4月初報院。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:07.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:08.712000+08:00","text":"3月底，很好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:09.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:13.734000+08:00","text":"剩下大概12、13天的時間，所以3月底會整個完成把它送出去，對嗎？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:13.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:15.395000+08:00","text":"不能再拖了，已經3個月了，好嗎？是。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:16.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:36.268000+08:00","text":"接下來，你剛剛說這些軟體都在海外、境外，所以看起來沒有更積極的作為可以做，針對這一點，我希望部長能發揮你的智慧，不管是跟警政署進行橫向溝通，想想看還有什麼方式可以做。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:37.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:49.141000+08:00","text":"至於剛剛講到的下架部分，其實本席還是希望部長能夠定期或是只要有必要的時候就把這些平臺業者找來，看看怎麼樣可以再約束他們，大家再一起合作，這個應該做得到吧？","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:49.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T09:33:51.723000+08:00","text":"是，這個沒問題，現在我們下架……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-03-18T09:33:52.344000+08:00","gue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