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那像這樣子的一個整個他們在進行的工作的進程到時候是不是可以公開的提供給所有想要關心的人沒問題 因為所有的自主安全檢查報告最後要送核安慰審查那只要送核安慰審查其實相關的資訊包括他的報告呢全部都會上網公開"},{"start":394.312,"end":422.89,"text":"好那接下來其實剛剛其實在前面幾位在質詢當中其實我有聽到台電這邊有講到比方說這個進來我們這個比較頻繁的一些地殼的變動那包含就是我們的耐震度的部分那針對所謂的這個耐震係數現在的耐震係數的整個所有的標準是不是足以因應最新的地質調查研究報告當中的一些潛在的威脅要不要來做調整這個部分是這樣子如果"},{"start":424.373,"end":443.279,"text":"核三厂原始的耐震的设计是0.4GG是重力加速度那我们在2021年的时候2021年出来因为我们重新进行所谓的地质的危害的一个调查那目前来讲呢正在进行它所谓的"},{"start":445.168,"end":474.415,"text":"根據這個調查的結果基率式的調查結果進行所謂的危害度的這個分析目前相關的危害度分析呢同行審查已經做完了那我們目前來講針對同行審查的結果呢要進行相關的一些包括耐震的補強還有一些它的風險值的計算那相關風險的這個計算的這些到未來我們都會公開全部都會公開所謂的未來大概是多久這個時程大概是多久"},{"start":474.875,"end":495.337,"text":"因為基本上還要送核安會審查核安會審查完以後呢透過核安會的一個資訊透明的部分來公開我想核安會扮演了非常重要的一個角色然後再來就是很多人想要問的到底我們的核廢料現在選址的地方的進度到底如何現在有進度嗎核廢料選址處置"},{"start":497.339,"end":524.209,"text":"有關於核廢料的處置第一個包括我們室外的乾除跟室內乾除的作業台電公司都依照目前的排程在做比如說以核二廠為例的話它的再運轉計畫大概這個年底就可以獲得審照就可以獲得審照然後後面逐步的就把燃料池裡面的這些反應爐裡面的燃料棒把它移出來"},{"start":525.329,"end":547.277,"text":"至於說高階的這個部分我們現在成立了專案辦公室我剛剛也跟委員有說明我們不但是收集現在核能使用國家他們現在的法規法制的作業的情況之外那我們也會去做一個意見的收集公民社會意見的收集"},{"start":547.697,"end":567.546,"text":"我想這個是真的需要時間尤其是剛剛講到的第三點就是高度的社會共識最後我再佔用一點點時間其實就是兩天前在新竹科學園區所發生的這個意外我想其實這個簡單的一個問題我必須說像這一類的高風險的一個能源的一個設施尤其是在測試過程當中它是在測試過程"},{"start":568.766,"end":585.366,"text":"那測試過程相對來講其實是相對比較不穩定的那我們所知道的其實他是外包的人員那在外包的會不會我們其實有一套我們自己本身的一個標準因為剛剛其實林勇回答這個秀寶委員的問題我們就不再重複我們有這樣子的一個分析的標準"},{"start":585.686,"end":602.882,"text":"但問題是到了所謂的外包人員其實這個中間是不是會有所謂的斷層我們要不要建立一套是類似像我們剛剛講的比較嚴謹的一個牽管的一個機制不然這樣子的一個意外發生其實造成了一人死亡其實是讓我們大家聽到是相當遺憾的一件事情"},{"start":603.947,"end":630.927,"text":"謝謝委員 針對現場的職安的這一部分其實我們Follow職安法我們有一整套很嚴謹的一個標準那現場我們也有委外監照那我們這個台電方面也都會到現場做不定期的一個監督查核都不是只上座要求一定要落實那針對當天的這個測試的程序因為還沒有移交給台電還是陳覽商這邊統包商負責但是我們都有派專業的技術人員在現場監督"},{"start":632.008,"end":649.999,"text":"因為最後就是引起這件意外的一個結果目前是還在調查當中事故本身的原因還要等這個檢察官能夠放行我們到火場要一併的要去做一個檢測為什麼說這個問題其實很嚴重那這個問題也是大家都很關心的因為大家只會問"},{"start":651.119,"end":668.301,"text":"為什麼會爆炸然後再來誰要負責我想這個兩大的問題我們提供給台電我們也去思考一下怎麼樣因應就是在整個所有的測試的安全的過程我們是安全無虞保障人民的安全好不好好謝謝好謝謝主席好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:10:52.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:10:52.277000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:10:52.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:10:54.524000+08:00","text":"首先請經濟部次長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:10:54.524000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:10:59.434500+08:00","text":"請賴次長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:10:59.434500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:04.345000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:04.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:04.465000+08:00","text":"次長早安。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:05.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:30.881000+08:00","text":"我想中東戰事大家都很關心、全球都很關心，但是對臺灣的影響，大家更擔心的是因為我們的能源有96%是仰賴進口，中東戰事如果持續延續，包含很多的費用可能就會往上增加，甚至我們天然氣的安全存量天數是不是也有可能會急遽縮短？","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:31.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:36.006000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是也請經濟部次長說明一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:37.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:42.513000+08:00","text":"針對這樣子的國際情勢狀況，我們有沒有相對應的因應措施？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:43.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:11:53.603000+08:00","text":"我們從2月28號開始就盤點3月份的需求，短期內受到了影響，可是我們很快就把這些受影響的貨氣都調足了。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:11:54.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:12.947000+08:00","text":"在這邊跟委員說明，量足價穩是我們工作的目標，而我們現階段工作的目標因為戰事的變遷而訊息很大，所以我們必須要有短、中、長期的因應，包括我們對於未來到6月之間相關貨氣的排程都有掌握。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:13.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:36.886000+08:00","text":"在這邊跟諸位委員說明，比如3月、4月，當然我們現在都已經調足了，至於5月份的部分，可能包括現貨還有受到荷姆茲海峽原本排程的船次，我們盤點出大概有14艘，現行大概調到10艘左右，我們的安全存量……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:36.886000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:37.987000+08:00","text":"目前沒有降低？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:37.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:40.409000+08:00","text":"不但沒有降低，還是增加的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:40.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:51.171000+08:00","text":"好，我想這個部分也在今天的質詢當中跟全國說明，我想這都是大家非常關心的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:51.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:12:58.257000+08:00","text":"接下來想請教核安會跟台電。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:12:58.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:00.938000+08:00","text":"請核安會、台電上質詢臺。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:02.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:02.845000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:02.845000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:03.845000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:03.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:17.313000+08:00","text":"我們一直在強調用電的部分，福島核災才剛屆滿15週年，其實每一個能源的選擇都攸關這個世代跟下一個世代的安全跟責任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:17.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:49.395000+08:00","text":"根據2025年的統計，我們再生能源的發電占比已經高達12.7%，其實這也相對展現再生能源已經逐步變成臺灣電力非常重要的支柱，在大家討論的重點上，我們一直不斷地在強調沒有安全就沒有發電，安全第一是大家無庸置疑的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:49.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:54.758000+08:00","text":"第二，我們的核廢料何去何從，這個也是重中之重。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:55.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:13:57.720000+08:00","text":"第三，高度的社會共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:13:57.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:14:13.607000+08:00","text":"我想沒有這三個基本的原則跟準則，其他真的都不用談，但是剛剛蠻遺憾的，一直聽到在野黨委員不斷地在詢問所謂的期程，好像很急，3月底送交核安會審查，好像馬上就要發執照，然後馬上就要重啟，馬上就要開始研議了。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:14:13.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:14:57.061000+08:00","text":"我想這是不對的，因為在透過……我知道台電是2月初就已經跟西屋公司簽訂一個合約，展開自主的安全檢查，但整個設備的老舊狀況，或者其他的一些驗證項目，這些都應該要非常謹慎，一步一步慢慢地做，而且要非常仔細安全地做，所以講到核三要不要延役、要不要再工作幾年，如果在安全的標準上面打折扣，對我來講這些其實都是空談。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:14:59.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:15:40.207000+08:00","text":"但是我們當然也會幫大家釋疑一下，因為現在大家都在擔心我們的電會不會不夠，那麼核三其實已經做了這樣子的……等於我們有一些進程了，就是2月3號跟西屋簽約，然後接著下來是進度的快慢，還有在整個核電安全、用電安全都無虞的狀況之下，我想請教的是，核三廠跟西屋簽約，西屋公司在這一次自主檢查的安全評估上是扮演什麼樣的角色？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:15:40.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:15:41.388000+08:00","text":"只是技術上的諮詢嗎？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:15:42.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:15:52.720000+08:00","text":"還是他會派遣技術專家到臺灣做核心設備，包含反應爐壓力槽或實體探傷設備的疲勞分析？","quality":0.553},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:15:53.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:15:54.862000+08:00","text":"請教西屋是扮演什麼樣的重要角色？","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:15:56.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:16:05.670000+08:00","text":"報告委員，簡單講就是你後面講的這一塊，西屋不是只做專業諮詢服務，另外，他最重要的工作在做什麼？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:16:05.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:16:31.584000+08:00","text":"就是反應爐智慧財產權所屬的這一塊，包括反應爐本體、反應爐內部組件及周邊安全系統檢測，他主要是評估其老化狀態，進行疲勞分析以評估這些設備，簡單講就是所謂的時限老化，它未來如果可以運轉，還可以運轉幾年？","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:16:32.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:16:34.726000+08:00","text":"大概最重要的是做這個。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:16:34.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:17:03.300000+08:00","text":"第二個就是做老化分析，包括一些安全系統，以目前來講，在世界上到底它的使用年限如何，根據核三廠過去40年的運轉狀態，包括整個暫態、功率運轉狀態來評估這些設備到底還能夠再運轉幾年，大概西屋最主要的工作是做這個。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:17:05.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:17:12.005000+08:00","text":"有關他們在進行的工作進程，到時候是不是可以公開提供給所有想要關心的人？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:17:12.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:17:22.712000+08:00","text":"沒問題，因為所有的自主安全檢查報告最後都要送核安會審查，只要送核安會審查，其實相關資訊包括他的報告全部都會上網公開。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:17:24.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:17:48.067000+08:00","text":"剛剛前面幾位質詢當中我有聽到台電講到近來比較頻繁的地殼變動，這牽涉到耐震度的部分，針對耐震係數，現在的耐震係數標準是不是足以因應最新地質調查研究報告當中的潛在威脅？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:17:49.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:17:49.448000+08:00","text":"這個部分要不要做調整？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:17:50.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:18:40.974000+08:00","text":"是這樣子，核三廠原始的耐震設計是0.4g，g是重力加速度，我們在2021年時重新進行地質危害調查，目前根據機率式的調查結果進行危害度分析，現在相關危害度分析同行審查已經做完了，我們正針對同行審查結果要進行相關的耐震補強及風險值計算，而相關風險值計算的資料未來我們全部都會公開，讓大家知道……","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:18:40.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:18:42.175000+08:00","text":"所謂的未來大概是多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:18:42.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:18:43.395000+08:00","text":"這個時程大概是多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副總經理永暉","start":"2026-03-18T10:18:43.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:18:52.124000+08:00","text":"因為基本上還要送核安會審查，核安會審查完以後，會透過核安會的資訊透明部分來公開。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:18:52.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:00.933000+08:00","text":"我想核安會扮演了非常重要的角色，然後再來就是很多人想要問的，到底核廢料現在選址的進度是如何？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:03.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:04.317000+08:00","text":"核廢料選址處置現在有進度嗎？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:06.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:21.304000+08:00","text":"有關於核廢料的處置，第一個，包括室外乾貯跟室內乾貯作業，台電公司都依照目前的排程在做，比如以核二廠為例，他的再運轉計畫大概年底就可以獲得……","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:21.304000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:24.686000+08:00","text":"初步的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:24.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:33.209000+08:00","text":"就可以獲得審照，然後後面逐步把反應爐裡面的燃料棒移出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:34.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:19:56.257000+08:00","text":"至於高階的部分，我們現在成立了專案辦公室，我剛剛也跟委員說明，我們不但蒐集核能使用國家現在法規、法制作業的情況之外，也會去做公民社會意見的蒐集。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:19:56.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:01.679000+08:00","text":"好，我想這個是真的需要時間，尤其剛剛講到的第三點，就是高度的社會共識。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:01.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:20.710000+08:00","text":"最後我再占用一點點時間，就是兩天前在新竹科學園區所發生的意外，我必須說像這類高風險的能源設施，尤其是在測試過程當中，而測試過程相對來講是比較不穩定的。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:21.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:32.463000+08:00","text":"我們所知道的，其實他是外包人員，那在外包的……會不會我們本身其實有一套自己的標準，因為剛剛您有回答秀寳委員的問題，我們就不再重複。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:32.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:39.390000+08:00","text":"我們有這樣子的一個分級標準，但問題是到了所謂的外包人員，這中間是不是會有所謂的斷層？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:39.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:45.155000+08:00","text":"要不要建立一套類似我們剛剛講的比較嚴謹的監管機制？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:45.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:20:51.861000+08:00","text":"不然這樣子的意外發生，造成1人死亡，讓我們大家聽到的是相當遺憾的一件事情。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張專業總工程師涵曦","start":"2026-03-18T10:20:52.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:11.021000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，針對現場的職安這一部分，其實follow職安法我們有一整套很嚴謹的標準，現場我們有委外監造，台電方面也都會到現場做不定期的監督查核，都不是紙上作業，而是要求一定要落實。好。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"張專業總工程師涵曦","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:11.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:19.907000+08:00","text":"針對當天測試的程序，因為還沒有移交給台電，還是承攬商這邊、統包商要負責，但是我們都有派專業的技術人員在現場監督。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:21.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:26.972000+08:00","text":"所以最後，引起這件意外的結果，目前是還在調查當中嘛！但是……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張專業總工程師涵曦","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:28.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:34.356000+08:00","text":"對，就是事故本身的原因，還要等檢察官能夠放行，我們到火場要一併做檢視。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:34.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:35.917000+08:00","text":"好，為什麼我說這個問題其實很嚴重？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:36.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:43.784000+08:00","text":"這個問題也是大家都很關心的，因為大家只會問為什麼會爆炸，再來是誰要負責？是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:43.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:55.338000+08:00","text":"我想這兩大問題我們提供給台電，我們也去思考一下怎麼樣因應，就是在整個測試的過程是安全無虞，保障人民的安全，好不好？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"張專業總工程師涵曦","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:55.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:56.580000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:56.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:21:57.041000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:21:57.541000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:00.969571+08:00","text":"謝謝郭昱晴委員，請官員回座。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:01.269571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:04.126714+08:00","text":"接下來有請葉元之委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:04.426714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:10.426714+08:00","text":"等一下在林宜瑾委員詢答完畢之後，我們休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:22:10.726714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:22:12.441000+08:00","text":"葉元之委員請。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}