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草案有什麼雛形可以供外界來檢視不然先請教經濟部好了"},{"start":365.017,"end":391.008,"text":"好謝謝委員首先跟委員說明過去的所謂的核電廠我們在營運的期間其實都跟世界同軌在做包括低放或是說燃料棒高放的這些儲存的一些做法那現在包括甘氏的儲存草也相對的在建立之中第二個委員你剛剛所詢問到這個條例的問題去年4月已經成立一個專案辦公室"},{"start":391.408,"end":418.115,"text":"是那這請專家來去研究說世界使用核能的先進國家他們的立法的規定大概是嚴格是怎麼樣他們在立法過程社會關心什麼問題那現在在做條例的研擬之中那當然也我們會廣泛的在收集社會各界的意見好那大概是我們現在目前今年工作的所以有時間表嗎這個"},{"start":420.903,"end":436.116,"text":"這個我們現在沒有辦法跟你說出一個比較明確的所謂的time table因為這個做得好比做得快可能還是要更重要一點好 那請何安惠就是對於這個高放選址條例"},{"start":439.733,"end":451.303,"text":"報告委員 那個行會安全管制機關那我們會以安全管制機關角度來提供經濟部在立法過程中所需要的專業意見好 那台電呢 台電"},{"start":456.675,"end":473.071,"text":"這塊來講我們大概跟經濟部會共同合作那目前來講選址條例那一塊民間版沒有錯委員會提出來了那我目前來講其實這個條例我們也參照包括日本包括德國的條例在做那也跟民間的一些團團我們密切在溝通一些意見"},{"start":477.836,"end":504.484,"text":"OK 好那最後我想核電是否能運轉它終究涉及我們的能源轉型的進程我們很清楚國園園一直都有在進行原子能這個關鍵技術的研究以及它發展這個能源及核後端的技術然後也有很積極的在發展綠能科技的研究譬如我們本土化的一些智慧配電的網路等等"},{"start":504.864,"end":522.7,"text":"好 所以我要請教國務院院士那最近的研究有什麼新的突破嗎那對於我國的這個能源韌性有什麼極大的助益的研究成果嗎高院長是 報告委員我們五年前跟行政院申請的70MV新型的反應器中型反應器"},{"start":523.42,"end":543.332,"text":"建置計畫今年可以完成建置,明年就可以開始測試運轉可以提供像我們陀201新戰顯靈劑現在我們舊的那一台30MVP是提供大概40%的供應量將來能夠提升到七成到八成那因為它是比較高的能量所以除了顯靈劑以外也可以做診斷醫療"},{"start":544.893,"end":569.906,"text":"那我们去年年底就是肝功能的显影剂也获得世界的百大在全球的世界百大的唯一的合一药物数十年来第一个拿到研发创新的百大那同时我们还要开发诸多的像摄氏线奶Pisen这个新的药物可能是现在诺华公司其他公司在市面上药物的那个"},{"start":570.746,"end":581.57,"text":"收費大概將來可達到一半所以你現在跟我報告的都是有關於這個新的核醫藥物對醫療的部分藥物韌性我們配合國家韌性計畫240億我們有28億規劃4年內28億要發展開發9種藥物韌性的計畫還有因為"},{"start":592.014,"end":612.264,"text":"因變這個變化的時代可能有核子意外事故對我現在是在請教你能源韌性的部分能源我們開發三種解毒劑就是比方說普魯斯蘭在發生核電廠事故的時候這個駝跟色這兩種可以做解毒劑體內解毒劑另外"},{"start":613.024,"end":637.431,"text":"在布,如果有發生一些髒彈或者是核子,普通零布彈的時候這個第二種合一藥物也可以做解毒劑那第三種就是金屬,高金屬的放射性的合種藥物我們會開發三種合一藥物的解毒劑這叫藥物韌性的計畫希望我們能夠開發這12種藥物都能夠在4年內達到國人能夠自己生產"},{"start":638.971,"end":664.705,"text":"院長你是很認真的把原子能跟藥物對醫療來做結合可是我現在剛問你的問題是說我們整個能源韌性就是說您做很多的所謂的對我們因為你是研究單位那整個的能源轉型的進程那我們的包括我就剛說你核後端的技術或者是你的所謂的發展能源的這些關鍵技術你現在的一些成果如何啊"},{"start":668.27,"end":668.471,"text":"像我們"},{"start":670.495,"end":699.352,"text":"做電網能源方面電網是很重要的所以電網我們開發的設備現在在台鐵雲林區處也取代因為新的綠能的發展所以有20幾個區處我們10幾個區處已經取代原來西門子的產品因為綠能進來以後供電會比較不穩定難調控那我們開發這個電網這個新的技術這一項也得到世界百大對就是要問您這個看有沒有再進一步的突破"},{"start":699.952,"end":716.506,"text":"所以另外一個核後端的技術我們也配合國家SMR的計畫我們也開發研究將來SMR也可以將國內的所以在SMR現在目前還沒有太有突破性的沒有辦法現在我們就說配合國際趨勢能夠將來把它減費好 了解OK OK 謝謝謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:24.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:24.169000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:24.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:26.090000+08:00","text":"有請核安會陳主委、經濟部賴次長、台電許副總、國原院高院長。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:26.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:36:26.290000+08:00","text":"好，請機關代表上質詢臺，謝謝。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:36:51.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:34.284000+08:00","text":"先請教陳主委，前一次本席在核安會業務報告的質詢當中有向主委請教，就是有關於核子反應器設施運轉執照申請審核辦法，這當中有關執照換照、申請書所檢附文件的項目，但是讓本席持續不解的是，前一回辦法的修正只有增加輻射相關議題的查核評估報告，以及耐震安全評估的說明，對比起民間團體許多嚴格的換照條件的要求，修法後的這幾點是否能夠確保核安，這個本席是存疑的。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:35.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:37:57.737000+08:00","text":"上次的詢答，我有問及到我們有考量國安威脅或複合式的災害等因素，就是有沒有考慮到這些因素，然後列入換照的申請書內，主委當時說都會考量，可是在辦法中看起來就沒有明文，你看我的PowerPoint，我想請教主委的是，這是怎麼一回事？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:37:59.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:05.203000+08:00","text":"難道國安的威脅或複合式的災害，這些考量因子是可有可無嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:05.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:08.586000+08:00","text":"難道不是換照考量的必要條件嗎？主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:10.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:12.861000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我請高組長跟委員說明。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:14.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:25.391000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，運轉執照申請審核辦法的相關修正，我們是參考國際的做法，主要是針對機組的設備進行安全評估，這個部分是跟國外一樣的。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:26.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:46.029000+08:00","text":"委員所提到的一些國安議題，或者是一些緊急應變的東西，因為已經有既有的法規在管制，我們在審查的導則已經有規範，所以台電公司要依照審查的導則去提出他們的因應作為出來。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:46.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:55.817000+08:00","text":"所以你們沒有把這個辦法放進去裡面，基本上是認為有其他的規範在規範這幾個我剛提的這些因素？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:56.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:57.879000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯，因為……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:58.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:38:59.821000+08:00","text":"並沒有忽視？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-03-18T10:38:59.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:03.043000+08:00","text":"沒有，都有納入評估，然後都有因應的做法出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:03.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:39:23.751000+08:00","text":"另外，攸關於核子事故發生時，民眾的防護疏散，這個在核子事故緊急應變法，必須訂定區域民眾的防護應變計畫，有規劃設置民眾的集結點、避難收留的場所、防護站，以及登記編管處所等緊急的應變場所。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:39:28.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:09.037000+08:00","text":"審計部在113年總決算的審核報告中有指出，說核安會規劃的這個部分，核子事故緊急應變場所竟然位於災害潛勢區域，經過統計，民眾集結地點位於災害潛勢區的共計有25處，避難收留處所的這三處都位於土壤液化高潛勢區，防護站還有登記編管處所，也各有三處都是位於災害潛勢區，這樣的情況其實對民眾的生命安全已經造成一定的潛在風險。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:09.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:41.945000+08:00","text":"我想為了核子事故風險發生時，民眾的生命安全不會受到其他因素的影響，所以本席要建請核安會要如實的協調地方政府，依據最新的災害潛勢情形，儘速來審視、檢討應變場所的妥適性，同時也要規劃援備地點跟措施，所以我想請教主委的是，你有掌握審計部在113年提出的這項問題嗎？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:41.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:40:42.385000+08:00","text":"你們有要重新檢討嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林組長貞絢","start":"2026-03-18T10:40:47.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:24.858000+08:00","text":"報告委員，針對委員所詢問的地方上有災害潛勢的這些應變場所，其實目前各地方政府已經在它的核子事故民眾防護的應變計畫中，有進行了相關的考量，也就是應變場所裡面，他們會有一些備援的場所，我們也藉由像年度的核安演習，或是平時的一些疏散演練去檢視，然後去檢視相關的場所，包括去年核三廠跟屏東縣做的核安演習，也都有把備援的場所納進去做演練。以上。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:25.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:31.143000+08:00","text":"好，所以重新盤點過後的避難地點，可不可以給我一份報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林組長貞絢","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:33.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:38.289000+08:00","text":"目前報告中都有，可以再提供給委員。好。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:38.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:41:50.220000+08:00","text":"接著，既然今天經濟部跟台電都在場，我是不是也請賴次長跟許副總能跟本席說明一下，就是高放選址條例現在內部討論到什麼程度了？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:41:51.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:03.846000+08:00","text":"本席要再強調一次，不管核電廠有沒有運作、運作多久，或者它是否有重啟，這些用過的高放射性的廢棄物就是產生了，就必須要被妥善處理。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:04.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:21.334000+08:00","text":"我們要務實的去面對已經產生這些放射性的廢棄物，才能對我們的後代子孫負責，所以我們看到民間團體已經提出了民間版的草案，請教核安會、經濟部跟台電，政府的規劃到底什麼時候會有雛形？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:22.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:26.016000+08:00","text":"相關的法案、草案有什麼雛形，可以供外界來檢視？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:26.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:26.456000+08:00","text":"先請教經濟部好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:29.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:42.863000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，首先跟委員說明過去所謂的核電廠，我們在營運的期間，其實都跟世界同軌在做，包括低放或是燃料棒、高放儲存的一些做法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:43.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:42:47.745000+08:00","text":"現在包括乾式的貯存槽，相對的在建立之中，這是第一個。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:42:48.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:21.415000+08:00","text":"第二個，委員剛剛所詢問到的條例的問題，去年4月已經成立一個專案辦公室，請專家去研究世界使用核能的先進國家，他們的立法規定，其沿革大概是怎麼樣，他們在立法過程中，社會關心什麼問題，現在在做條例的研擬之中，當然我們也會廣泛的去蒐集社會各界的意見，這大概是我們目前、今年工作的狀況。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:21.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:22.115000+08:00","text":"所以有時間表嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:24.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:35.793000+08:00","text":"這個我們現在沒有辦法跟你說出一個比較明確的所謂的timetable，因為這件事做得好比做得快可能還是要更重要一點。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:35.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:40.096000+08:00","text":"好，繼續請核安會說明，就是對於高放選址條例的部分。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:43.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:53.601000+08:00","text":"報告委員，核安會是安全管制機關，我們會以安全管制個案角度，來提供經濟部在立法過程中所需要的專業意見。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:43:53.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:43:55.042000+08:00","text":"好，那台電呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:00.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:16.230000+08:00","text":"這一塊來講，我們大概跟經濟部會共同合作，選址條例那一塊，民間版，沒有錯，委員你剛剛已經提出來了，目前來講，這個條例，我們其實也參酌了包括日本、德國的條例在做，也跟民間的一些環團……","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:16.230000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:17.230000+08:00","text":"對，因為民間團體已經有草案了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:16.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:21.936000+08:00","text":"一些環團，我們密切在溝通意見。OK。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:23.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:53.208000+08:00","text":"最後，我想核電是否能運轉，終究涉及我們能源轉型的進程，我們很清楚，國原院一直都有在進行原子能關鍵技術的研究，以及發展能源及核後端的技術，然後也有很積極地在發展綠能科技的研究，譬如我們本土化的一些智慧配電的網路等等，所以我要請教國原院的是，最近的研究有什麼新的突破嗎？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:53.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:44:59.353000+08:00","text":"對於我國的能源韌性有什麼極大助益的研究成果嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:44:59.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:00.034000+08:00","text":"高院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:00.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:41.920000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們五年前跟行政院申請的70 MeV新型的反應器、中型反應器建置計畫，今年可以完成建置，明年就可以開始測試運轉，可以提供像我們鉈201心顫顯影劑，現在我們舊的那一臺32 MeV是提供大概40%的供應量，將來能夠提升至七成到八成，因為它是比較高的能量，所以除了顯影劑以外，也可以做診斷醫療，我們去年年底肝功能的顯影劑也獲得世界的百大，在全球的世界百大唯一的核醫藥物，數十年來第一個拿到研發創新的百大。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:42.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:56.086000+08:00","text":"同時，我們還要開發諸多的像攝護腺癌PSMA這個新的藥物，可能是現在諾華公司，市面上其他公司藥物收費的一半，將來大概可達到一半，這些我們都積極……","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:56.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:45:59.668000+08:00","text":"你現在跟我報告的都是有關於……","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:45:59.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:00.968000+08:00","text":"新的核醫藥物。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:02.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:02.489000+08:00","text":"對，醫療的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:03.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:19.876000+08:00","text":"藥物韌性，我們配合國家韌性計畫240億，我們有28億，這28億規劃4年內要開發9種藥物韌性的計畫，還有因應這個變化的時代，可能有核子意外事故，所以我們有3種……","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:20.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:23.538000+08:00","text":"對，我現在是在請教你能源韌性的部分，能源！","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:23.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:46:46.667000+08:00","text":"我們開發3種解毒劑，比方說普魯士藍在發生核電廠事故的時候，鉈跟銫這兩種可以做體內的解毒劑，另外，鈽的部分如果有發生一些髒彈，或者是核子Plutonium鈽彈的時候，第二種核醫藥物也可以做解毒劑。","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:46:46.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:01.431000+08:00","text":"然後第三種就是高金屬放射性的核種藥物，我們會開發3種核醫藥物的解毒劑，這在藥物韌性的計畫內，希望我們開發的這12種藥物都能夠在4年內達到國人能夠自己生產，然後我們提供比較……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:02.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:28.525000+08:00","text":"院長，你是很認真的把原子能跟藥物，也就是醫療來做結合啦，可是我剛剛問你的問題是針對我們整個能源韌性，就是說您做了很多所謂的對我們……因為你是研究單位嘛，整個能源轉型的進程，包括我剛剛說的，你核後端的技術，或者是你所謂發展能源的這些關鍵技術，現在的一些成果如何？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:47:32.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:47:59.509000+08:00","text":"像我們做電網，能源方面電網是很重要的，所以電網我們開發的設備現在在台電雲林區處也取代，因為新的綠能的發展，所以有二十幾個區處，我們十幾個區處已經取代原來西門子的產品，改用我們的，因為綠能進來以後，供電會比較不穩定，難調控，我們開發電網新的技術，這一項也得到世界百大，5年前拿到世界百大。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:00.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:03.332000+08:00","text":"對，我就是要問您這個，看有沒有再進一步的突破。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:04.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:13.020000+08:00","text":"是、是、是，另外一個核後端的技術，我們也配合國家SMR的計畫，我們也開發研究，將來SMR也可以將國內的……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:13.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:17.363000+08:00","text":"所以SMR現在目前還沒有太有突破性的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:17.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:18.204000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:18.204000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:19.204000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法嘛。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:18.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:19.425000+08:00","text":"我們現在就是配合國際趨勢，將來能夠把它減廢。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:19.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:20.366000+08:00","text":"好，我了解了，謝謝。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:20.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:20.486000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:20.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:22.986000+08:00","text":"謝謝林宜瑾委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:23.286000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:26.428857+08:00","text":"官員請回座，現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:26.728857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:27.871714+08:00","text":"休息（10時48分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:28.171714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:29.886000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時54分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:48:30.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T10:48:34.757429+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會，請吳思瑤委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}