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beginning不是一個終局不是ending這個我們要清楚的向社會來論述而且我就教於看是賴長治還是台電許副總除以後老化的狀況是不是能夠符合再運轉的條件我們可以再展延使用幾年呢以及進行地震的危害分析核電廠的安全無虞了嗎這三件事情是不是就包含在你們再運轉計畫的重中之重"},{"start":454.389,"end":469.466,"text":"委員點出了關於核能安全的一個重要性跟它的影響那確實包括老化的狀況符合再運轉的條件可以再使用幾年事實上台電公司跟西屋公司已經簽了備忘錄"},{"start":470.948,"end":494.389,"text":"需要去进行这方面的确认之外那相关的自主安全检查还要经过同彩的审认所以安全是一个最重要的在一个安全的基础之下才有办法去进行后面的一个事项那所以我们关顾于安全希望透过这个核安会严谨的审查的程序来确认以上的"},{"start":495.51,"end":509.463,"text":"所以说就像一位最近运动很夯我举一个例子生活化的例子大家比较容易理解就像一位运动员他已经退役了他可能离开运动场了"},{"start":510.463,"end":533.038,"text":"他认为我好像可以再回到运动场去参加竞技比赛他必然要经过完整的体检他的状况这个运动选手他的所有的老化状况他的生理机能他的心理调试适不适合再回到运动场上为国家拼勤白他必须透过一个基本的运动员的体检"},{"start":534.039,"end":559.912,"text":"如果可以那他大概還可以再研議幾年國家來依據這位運動員量身定做他的再訓練計畫他的這些再推廣計畫能夠參加譬如說望眼2028的巴黎奧運或者是之後對不起未來下一屆的奧運或是之後的賽事他必然先體檢再提出投資這個運動員的評估具體可行的時程"},{"start":563.314,"end":591.822,"text":"才能够让他恢复一个现役运动员的身份我这样的举例我希望让社会能够比较有助于清楚的理解台电即便依核管法的修法提出核三再运转的计划他只是just the beginning第一步要先确认核三除以后他的老化状况能不能够符合安全再运转的条件这是我今天质询很重要的重点最后一页再30秒就好"},{"start":592.822,"end":602.025,"text":"最後一頁有很多媒體就開始在散佈說賴清德總統說2027年就要重啟核三了然後呢綠能是錯的我們綠能就不要了因為已經要走核電了這個總統府經濟部行政院已經多次澄清就是我今天為什麼花了這麼多時間在論述Just the beginning我們沒有馬上就進入核三除以之後再運轉 go"},{"start":619.031,"end":627.976,"text":"沒有這件事情安全依法有程序而綠能因此good bye了嗎沒有來次長簡單的回應"},{"start":629.813,"end":651.074,"text":"多元的綠能一直在能源轉型重要的一環那不但是我們要提供給企業足夠的這個綠電來讓他在出口的競爭力上面對減碳的部分也是我們關乎的目標以去年為例的話我們經濟成長率只交出一個亮麗的成績單但是我們的電力排放係數還在下降"},{"start":652.455,"end":670.767,"text":"是所以说国力就是电力电力就是国力我支持行政部门进行台湾的二次能源转型即便是我们愿意接受全世界先进的新式核能技术这个SMR也许可能是选项但是"},{"start":671.167,"end":695.447,"text":"能源的多元化是没有退路的我们对于太阳能对于风力对于现在积极发展的地热小水利氢能源等等我们都没有停止绿能还是国家的现在进行式也是台湾发展的必要我想清楚的讯息传达给大家我们就继续依法行政"},{"start":696.007,"end":704.557,"text":"安全不打折然后要fulfill三大前提才有下一步辛苦大家继续努力谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:29.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:29.733000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:30.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:44.541000+08:00","text":"非常開心，我終於可以回到我最熱愛的教育及文化委員會，今天第一次的質詢，我請核安會陳主委、經濟部賴常次，還有台電許副總。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T10:54:44.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:54:46.622000+08:00","text":"好，請三位機關代表上臺。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:02.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:23.443000+08:00","text":"今天是核安會的業務報告，也是我們的專報，對於核電廠在運轉的規劃跟推動的現況，我想我的破題非常的清楚，重啟除役的核電廠是長路漫漫，是道阻且長，它不是一蹴可幾，更不是箭在弦上，這是非常清楚的一個現況。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:26.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:55:54.477000+08:00","text":"前陣子因為去支持WBC棒球賽，我人在日本東京，那個時候剛好是全日本各大媒體都在進行311大地震15週年的回顧，所以我在東京，人在日本的那個期間，我大量的閱讀、理解了日本人怎麼去審視生命的犧牲，歷史的教訓帶給他們的省思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:55:55.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:27.041000+08:00","text":"311日本大地震的罹難人數1萬5,901位，到去年還持續發現有罹難死亡的人數，它是攀升的，失蹤的人口高達2,519人，而有家歸不得的避難人數，還有2萬6,281位，而岩手地區、宮城地區、福島地區所流失的人口，被迫離開他的故鄉，有26萬4,100人。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:31.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:56:42.071000+08:00","text":"高市早苗首相也出席了15週年的追悼儀式，我們看看日本，我們要想想臺灣的核能安全不可打折。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:56:44.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:00.123000+08:00","text":"在311震災發生之後，繼任的首相安倍首相，他大幅的來進行，因為311地震前運轉中的日本核電廠是54座，但因為震災之後全部停下來。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:01.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:57:40.818000+08:00","text":"當時安倍首相繼任之後，他做了非常重要的一件事情，就是大規模的全面強化所有日本核電廠的安全規格，而他們花的時間也是三、四年以上，從2011年311地震到全面重啟，不對，不能講全面重啟，透過安全規格的重新審視，強化之後，逐步恢復運轉或除役的，最快也歷經三、四年以上的時間，所以安全的再確認是需要時間的，就如同臺灣現在正在進行的。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:57:41.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:58:09.942000+08:00","text":"所以54座日本的核電廠，在311之後全數停下來以後，經過三、四年安全規格的提升，恢復運轉的只有15座，已經通過安全審查，但是它放棄了重新運轉有3座，主要的理由就是日本的在地地方政府的反對跟民意的反彈，所以不是通過安全審查就一定恢復，因為也要社會溝通。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:58:10.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T10:59:08.690000+08:00","text":"然後目前持續在審查中，從311到現在15年了，安全規格還在審查能不能夠重行運轉的還有8座，而明確不能用了、不安全的有24座，這是日本給我們的訊息，也就是安全的審視，在複合式的災害發生，各國都在做，即便是日本，他們也花了至少三、四年以上，甚至十五年以上，都還在重行審視要不要重新恢復核電廠的運轉，所以社會不應當給予過高的期待，或是不合道理的期待，說核三廠現在重啟再運轉的這個計畫是不是就可以再運轉，而且要快，對比日本的經驗並非如此，我的資訊不管是陳主委或者是賴常次是不是都同意我的看法？好。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T10:59:11.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:02.446000+08:00","text":"去年5月通過核管法的修法，我們必須依法行政，所以讓已經執照屆滿的核電廠可以重新申請換照，依法行政，所以賴清德總統才提出我們依法是首要，而安全不能打折，核安會依法要訂定安全審查的程序辦法，我們已經做了，然後台電要依法來規定自主安全的檢查，正在ing嘛，所以未來依法之後的三個原則，核安無虞、核廢有解、社會共識要具足，這些都還有漫漫長路，不是一蹴可幾，這是我的立場，也是捍衛法治以及捍衛國人的安全上，我必須做的立場宣示。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:04.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:08.129000+08:00","text":"這裡要就教於你們，重啟核電有譜了嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:09.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:12.671000+08:00","text":"似乎政策就拍板了，我們要重啟核電了嗎？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:13.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:26.489000+08:00","text":"我這裡列出來的，台電提出再運轉計畫，在3月底、現在要提出，另外還有一個，可能要花一年半到兩年之間，也就是還需要進行自主安全檢查，對不對？","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:26.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:26.749000+08:00","text":"台電要過兩關，是不是？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:30.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:31.836000+08:00","text":"核安會要過四關嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:32.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:00:59.083000+08:00","text":"完備法規、嚴謹審查、強化管制、強化社會溝通，核安會還有四關；而最終政府的立場政策要拍板，即要不要重啟核三還需要過核安無虞、核廢有解、社會共識等三關，所以我認為還要過五關、斬六將，甚至過八關、斬八將；過十關、斬十將才有可能。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:00:59.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:00.624000+08:00","text":"請問這些程序是不是如此？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:01.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:01.886000+08:00","text":"誰要回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:02.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:04.428000+08:00","text":"主委，簡單回答，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:06.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:20.986000+08:00","text":"所以just beginning，不是ending，今天台電3月底要提出的核三再運轉計畫，不等於重啟核電已經拍板Yes了！","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:21.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:33.327000+08:00","text":"也不等於核三再運轉可以上路，已經go了，it's just beginning，不是ending、不是一個終局，這個我們要清楚地向社會來論述。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:33.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:41.328000+08:00","text":"而且我要就教於賴常次，除役後老化的狀況是不是能夠符合再運轉的條件？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:42.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:44.669000+08:00","text":"我們可以再展延使用幾年呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:45.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:50.050000+08:00","text":"以及進行地震的危害分析後，核電廠的安全無虞了嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:50.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:01:54.211000+08:00","text":"這三件事情是不是就包含在你們再運轉計畫的重中之重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:01:56.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:02:36.369000+08:00","text":"委員點出了關於核能安全的重要性跟它的影響，確實包括老化的狀況是否符合再運轉的條件以及可以再使用幾年等等，事實上，台電公司跟西屋公司已經簽了備忘錄，需要去進行這方面的確認之外，相關的自主安全檢查，還要經過同儕的審認，所以安全是最重要的，在一個安全的基礎之下，才有辦法去進行後面的事項，所以我們關注於安全，希望透過核安會嚴謹的審查程序，來確認以上的狀況。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:02:38.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:03:19.641000+08:00","text":"就像最近運動很夯、Team Taiwan很夯，我舉一個生活化的例子，大家比較容易理解，就像一位運動員他已經退役了，可能已經離開運動場了，他認為自己好像可以再回到運動場去參加競技比賽，則他必然要經過完整的體檢，而這個運動選手所有老化的狀況、他的生理機能、他的心理調適，適不適合再回到運動場上為國家拚金牌，必須透過一個基本的運動員體檢；如果可以的話，那他大概還可以再延役幾年？","quality":0.547},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:03:20.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:03:49.655000+08:00","text":"國家再來依據這個量身訂做這位運動員的再訓練計畫、再推廣計畫，讓他能夠參加譬如說2028年下一屆的奧運或者是之後的賽事，他必然先經體檢，再提出投資這個運動員的評估以及具體可行的時程，才能夠讓他恢復現役運動員的身分。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:03:50.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:04:12.501000+08:00","text":"我這樣的舉例，希望能夠有助於社會清楚地理解，台電即便依核管法的修法，提出核三再運轉計畫，他只是just beginning，第一步要先確認核三除役後的老化狀況能不能夠符合安全再運轉的條件，這是我今天質詢很重要的重點。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:04:12.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:04:49.096000+08:00","text":"最後，再30秒就好，有很多媒體就開始在散布說，賴清德總統說2027年就要重啟核三了，然後綠能是錯的，我們就不要綠能了，因為已經要走核電了，對此總統府、經濟部、行政院已經多次澄清，就是我今天為什麼花了這麼多時間在論述just beginning，我們沒有要馬上就進入核三除役之後的再運轉go，沒有這件事情，安全、依法、有程序，而綠能因此goodbye了嗎？沒有！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:04:49.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:04:49.976000+08:00","text":"請次長簡單的回應。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:04:51.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:05:05.226000+08:00","text":"多元的綠能一直是能源轉型重要的一環，我們不但要提供給企業足夠的綠電，讓他有出口的競爭力，還有減碳的部分，也是我們關注的目標。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:05:05.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:05:07.749000+08:00","text":"以去年為例，我們經濟成長率等……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:05:07.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:05:09.270000+08:00","text":"15年來最好的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:05:09.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:05:13.054000+08:00","text":"交出亮麗的成績單，但是我們的電力排碳係數還在下降。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:05:14.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:06:03.834000+08:00","text":"是，所以國力就是電力，電力就是國力，我支持行政部門進行臺灣的二次能源轉型，即便是我們願意接受全世界先進的新式核能技術，SMR也許、可能是選項，但是能源的多元化是沒有退路的，我們對於太陽能、對於風力、對於現在積極發展的地熱、小水力、氫能源等等，我們都沒有停止，綠能還是國家的現在進行式，也是臺灣發展的必要，我想把清楚的訊息傳達給大家，我們就繼續依法行政，安全不打折，然後要fulfill三大前提，才有下一步。","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-03-18T11:06:04.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:06:05.236000+08:00","text":"辛苦大家，繼續努力，謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:06:05.736000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:06:09.164571+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:06:09.464571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:06:12.321714+08:00","text":"接下來有請吳沛憶委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}