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Time它的先期製造的這個到貨的這個日期當然就會非常長這個是比較大的變數"},{"start":509.93,"end":528.141,"text":"那如果是根據像河山這個情況下是不是就像現在的今年河山部分今年三月底要提出自主安全的已經提出報告出來再運轉計畫 再運轉的 再運轉計畫這是一項準備計畫可是如果去年自主安全計畫在河山提出來對不對那現在已經完成要提到已經"},{"start":530.283,"end":553.04,"text":"年月底要送到河岸會去審對不對那這個部分看起來的話應該是蠻快的大概半年多而已嘛如果說順利的話要看河岸會審查的期程沒有我剛剛說自主安全檢查這些部分啦那如果是這樣的話我看預計可能到20如果真的順利的話可能2028、29就可以提出自主安全計畫出來是有可能的嘛安全對安全跟時間上"},{"start":555.464,"end":573.451,"text":"等於是安全我沒辦法用時間來去確認對 但是如果說順利的話就是自主安全計畫應該是有計畫完成嘛對不對要看我的檢測的結果好 我們希望說到時候完成是不是核安會這邊收到台電的自主安全計畫在核二廠的部分核安會是不是也能夠是儘快的來提出好好的審查"},{"start":575.552,"end":587.232,"text":"我們會好好審查好 我們希望以安全無虞這也是民眾黨最重要的需求安全無虞的情況之下然後再繼續回復到我們台灣供電的需求好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:23:16.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:23:16.480000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:23:16.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:23:26.110000+08:00","text":"有請核安會陳主委、經濟部賴次長跟台電許副總經理上臺，謝謝。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:23:26.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:23:28.773000+08:00","text":"請以上三個機關的代表上臺，謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:23:34.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:00.273000+08:00","text":"首先，請問經濟部有關能源的問題，隨著 NVIDIA、Google、微軟跟亞馬遜等國際科技大廠、巨頭紛紛在臺擴大投資資料中心之後，臺灣大學教授趙家緯預估2030年無碳電力或是綠電的需求將會達到700億度，可是我們現在才發現2025年臺灣的再生能源發電量只有378億度。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:00.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:16.151000+08:00","text":"請問經濟部，我們能否在2030年達到趙家緯教授說的再生能源發電總量每年700億度量，來滿足海內外企業在臺灣的需求？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:17.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:27.566000+08:00","text":"首先，在綠電供給跟需求的部分，我以去年為例的話，去年我們的供給量超過400億度，企業的需求差不多是二百多億度。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:28.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:41.595000+08:00","text":"今年企業的需求大概是二百五十幾億度，我們預估今年大概可以提供的相關綠電、最近的調查結果差不多是五百三十多億度，所以我們是可以滿足的，這是一個長遠的目標。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:41.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:42.876000+08:00","text":"你說什麼時候是500億度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:43.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:43.657000+08:00","text":"什麼時候？2030年？2026年。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:47.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:47.199000+08:00","text":"2026年500億度？530億度。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:47.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:48.739000+08:00","text":"我剛才問的問題是2030年700億度，你認為這是沒有問題的嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:48.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:50.800000+08:00","text":"我們現在有計畫、有次序的在推動這個工作，比如說：我們今年離岸風電的併網量大概有5.3GW，還包括太陽能光電，包括……","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:51.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:52.460000+08:00","text":"次長，我是問你2030年有沒有700億度？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:24:52.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:24:53.020000+08:00","text":"你就回答能不能？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:25:16.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:25:23.026000+08:00","text":"基本上，這個我們有推估過，在2030年之前，我們的供給是大於需求的。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:25:23.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:25:34.176000+08:00","text":"好，700億度你認為可以，可是我問你700億度，你剛才只說到500億度，這有很大的問題，事實上你沒有做出承諾，因為你沒有辦法承諾，為什麼呢？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:25:34.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:26:05.058000+08:00","text":"因為我們看到，去年光電的修法已經擴大環評，丹娜絲颱風又吹翻了10萬片的太陽能板，離岸風電也處於全球的逆風期，包括台電公司跟森崴能源公司的工程款款項問題，再生能源的整個發展都已經進入停滯期，可是你現在卻說你們的供給大於需求，但這根本就沒有辦法配合目標來達成。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:26:06.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:26:39.595000+08:00","text":"依照你們這樣的說明，如果目標真的沒有辦法達成，會不會因為這樣，像NVIDIA、Microsoft、Google這些大廠，如果他們因為我們的綠電沒有辦法達成，我們在2030年開天窗，甚至2028年他們就把產業移轉到其他國家像日本、韓國等這些國家的時候，臺灣就會喪失AI產業鏈的樞紐地位，這是我們沒有辦法接受的，因為我們臺灣在國際間最大的利益就是在這裡，這時候經濟部跟行政院長是不是就要負責下臺？","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:26:40.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:26:49.724000+08:00","text":"委員，無論是NVIDIA或是美光都已經宣布要在臺灣設立總部或是擴大建廠。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:26:49.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:26:50.724000+08:00","text":"還有5年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:26:49.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:12.052000+08:00","text":"我相信他們有他們的評估基礎，政府也努力的在做綠電的發展，雖然說去年通過有關太陽能光電的幾個法規是全世界最嚴格的，但是我們還是有排程，就是會把這些所謂的太陽能光電持續的發展出來。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:12.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:15.255000+08:00","text":"好，我們就是拭目以待就對了，希望真的是供給大於需求。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:15.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:28.506000+08:00","text":"好，下一個問題，因為你們已經提到了，經濟部準備要重啟核二跟核三，因為經濟部已經要求台電要提出這樣的計畫書，以後會慢慢地來進行。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:29.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:46.879000+08:00","text":"現在的問題在於核電廠裡面的核廢料，賴清德總統也說到了嘛，核廢料應該要有解，我們看到核三廠的燃料池現在只剩下535束的存放空間，包含一號機組和二號機組加起來事實上是535束嘛！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:47.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:52.642000+08:00","text":"如果每一個機組每週期移出66束，一個週期是18個月的話，4個週期就是6年，所以我們想要問的是，事實上它可以營運到6年，可是為什麼台電之前預估核三廠只能運作3到5年，這是在誤導社會大眾啊！","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:52.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:52.942000+08:00","text":"這個部分有一個前題嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:27:53.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:27:53.102000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:28:10.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:28:36.449000+08:00","text":"第一點，3到5年是保守的估計，萬一我說6年，到最後……第二個，主要是因為之前核三要進入除役，所以它在前一個週期的燃料耗盡會比較多，譬如我們估計第一個18個月的週期就不是66束，要將近80束的燃料。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:28:37.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2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time、製造期。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:31:12.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:31:37.090000+08:00","text":"製造期這個部分的影響、變數會比較大的原因是，它會根據目前國際到底是買方市場還是賣方市場，以及國際核能的發展，如果10家統統下同樣的料，當然，我就必須要去搶這個料，那它的leading time、先期製造的到貨日期當然就會非常長，這是比較大的變數。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:31:38.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:31:46.295000+08:00","text":"好，如果根據核三這個情況，就像核三今年3月底要提出自主安全報告……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:31:47.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:31:50.798000+08:00","text":"再運轉的整備計畫，這是一項整備計畫。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:31:50.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:31:54.220000+08:00","text":"好，可是去年自主安全計畫核三廠就已經提出來了，對不對？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:31:54.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:00.664000+08:00","text":"現在已經完成，月底要送到核安會去審，對不對？對、是。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:00.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:04.427000+08:00","text":"這部分看起來應該是滿快的，大概半年多而已嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:04.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:05.968000+08:00","text":"如果順利的話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:05.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:07.209000+08:00","text":"這要看核安會審查的期程。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:07.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:09.311000+08:00","text":"沒有，我剛才說的是自主安全檢查這部分。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:09.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:10.332000+08:00","text":"對，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:10.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:18.318000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣的話，如果順利的話，可能2028年或2029年就可以提出自主安全計畫，這是有可能的嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:18.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:25.045000+08:00","text":"安全跟時間，安全我沒有辦法用時間去權衡。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:25.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:29.186000+08:00","text":"對，但是如果順利的話，自主安全計畫應該是有希望完成嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:29.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:29.546000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:29.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:30.787000+08:00","text":"這要看我的檢測結果。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:31.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:41.431000+08:00","text":"好，我們希望到時候完成後，核安會這邊收到台電的自主安全計畫，就核二廠的部分，核安會是不是也能夠儘快的提出和好好的審查？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:43.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:44.373000+08:00","text":"會的，我們會好好的審查。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:45.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:32:55.232000+08:00","text":"好，我們希望安全無虞，這也是民眾黨最重要的訴求，在安全無虞的情況下回復臺灣的供電需求，謝謝。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:32:55.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:00.017714+08:00","text":"謝謝劉書彬委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:00.317714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:03.174857+08:00","text":"接下來有請賴士葆委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}