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請官員回座接下來"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:14.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:17.148000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:17.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:29.098000+08:00","text":"有請經濟部賴次長、核安會陳主委和台電許副總。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:29.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:31.920000+08:00","text":"請三個機關的代表上臺，謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:32.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:32.881000+08:00","text":"三位長官好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:33.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:34.863000+08:00","text":"我先問一下經濟部賴次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:41.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:41.707000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:42.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:53.958000+08:00","text":"我請教，電價要持續凍漲嘛，看起來是這個樣子，卓院長說不要講這兩個字，事實上，就是這兩個字──凍漲。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:54.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:57.021000+08:00","text":"依照慣例，3月底我們會召開電價審議委員會。是啦！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:33:57.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:33:59.924000+08:00","text":"我知道，那是過場，基本上就是要凍漲啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:00.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:24.041000+08:00","text":"問題是民間的桶裝瓦斯已經漲了2次；天然氣瓦斯3月1日開始要調漲3%，以台電來講，去年賺錢了，盈餘有七百多億元，可是累積的虧損高達3,500億元，你們的資本額是3,300億元嘛，對不對？","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:24.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:25.582000+08:00","text":"許副總，你們的資本額多少？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:25.582000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:26.582000+08:00","text":"我們的資本額5,000億元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:25.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:26.123000+08:00","text":"資本額多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副總經理永輝","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:26.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:35.696000+08:00","text":"5,000億元。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:35.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:47.305000+08:00","text":"那是後來增資的，本來是三千多億元，後來增資嘛，我們給你們增資和補貼，所有的加一加是這個數字，可是我們的負債比例多少知道嗎？","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:48.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:51.187000+08:00","text":"次長或者許副總要講都可以，台電的負債比例是多少？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:51.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:52.368000+08:00","text":"差不多百分之九十……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:52.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:52.629000+08:00","text":"負債93%，淨值多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:53.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:57.272000+08:00","text":"net 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worth多少？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:34:57.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:34:58.353000+08:00","text":"淨值多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:02.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:03.972000+08:00","text":"這個必須要依照會計準則去看它可循環的現值……","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:04.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:04.933000+08:00","text":"淨值多少？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:06.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:11.676000+08:00","text":"人家面值是10元，但是台電的淨值是2元，對吧？","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:12.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:13.437000+08:00","text":"許副總一直點頭，對嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:14.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:50.915000+08:00","text":"我沒有冤枉你，2元，如果這個公司在民間早就倒了，你去年還可以有獲利和營利，今年的話……這個錯不在台電，這個不叫「錯」，凍漲我絕對支持，民間都支持，現在這個時候全世界在打戰，美國和伊朗打戰打得這麼兇，可是我現在就問你，我們凍漲凍不到民間小吃店的桶裝瓦斯、家庭用的天然氣瓦斯，那些都在上漲。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:53.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:35:56.350000+08:00","text":"次長，你要不要講一下，你們有沒有什麼因應？","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:35:57.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:01.997000+08:00","text":"凍漲看起來很漂亮，我們也都希望凍漲，不要影響，對不對？","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:01.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:07.484000+08:00","text":"但是民間小吃店就受到影響了，家庭用的天然氣瓦斯也受到影響了，而且漲很多哦！","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:11.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:24.634000+08:00","text":"委員剛剛講到的會計數據，顯示台電在過去俄烏戰爭的時候，因為原物料大漲、國際進料、燃料大漲，所吸收產生的虧損。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:25.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:31.959000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員也提到說希望電價能夠穩定，但是過去我們多次的提出撥補的預算……","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:32.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:33.440000+08:00","text":"你沒有回答我的問題，我的時間有限。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:34.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:38.763000+08:00","text":"你回答我，對於桶裝瓦斯或天然氣，你們要怎麼辦？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:40.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:41.844000+08:00","text":"你凍漲沒有凍到這個啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:43.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:45.625000+08:00","text":"這是你管的，是經濟部管的啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:46.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:54.967000+08:00","text":"桶裝瓦斯也就是液化石油氣，第一個，我要跟大家說明的是，它的進口來源受中東戰事的影響是沒有的。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:55.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:36:56.488000+08:00","text":"第二個部分……好啦！","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:36:56.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:05.735000+08:00","text":"你還是沒有回答我，我的時間有限，你回答我你的作法，因為這個會影響到我們的便當，等一下吃便當，便當的價格就一直漲，對不對？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:06.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:10.639000+08:00","text":"小吃店跟老百姓都叫苦連天，這個沒有反映在CPI哦！","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:10.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:11.580000+08:00","text":"都沒有影響到CPI。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:15.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:22.128000+08:00","text":"液化石油氣的這個部分，因為它的市場是自由競爭的市場。是啊！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:22.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:23.309000+08:00","text":"你管不到啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:23.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:26.191000+08:00","text":"行政院也有成立物價穩定小組。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:26.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:27.332000+08:00","text":"所以你們毫無對策？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:27.332000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:28.613000+08:00","text":"不管是所謂的天然氣或是石油的部分，貨物稅會來減徵。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:28.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:29.494000+08:00","text":"你們要不要補貼他們？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:34.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:39.780000+08:00","text":"另外，我們也會看未來的價格變動狀況。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:39.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:48.162000+08:00","text":"因為現在油氣是凍漲的，凍漲的部分能不能也cover到家用的瓦斯？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:48.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:49.523000+08:00","text":"能不能給它凍漲？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:49.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:49.963000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:50.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:52.504000+08:00","text":"這個我們綜合的來評估一下。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:53.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:37:54.484000+08:00","text":"去評估一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:37:56.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:01.166000+08:00","text":"那我就問你，台電現在淨值只剩下2元，有沒有考慮要增資？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:02.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:02.527000+08:00","text":"台電有沒有要增資？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:02.527000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:04.918000+08:00","text":"沒有要增資，那就是要我們給你們補貼而已，就是要跟我們立法院要補貼而已，不要增資，變成是這個樣子。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:04.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:21.704000+08:00","text":"所以包括電價審議委員會的委員也都建議立法院要支持對台電預算的撥補，這個部分當然……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:22.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:24.365000+08:00","text":"你要先減少浪費，你浪費一堆！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:25.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:37.053000+08:00","text":"來，另外一個題目，賴清德總統在選總統的時候說了，緊急情況可以用核電。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:37.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:47.480000+08:00","text":"問一下陳主委，他講緊急情況馬上就可以用，這裡面要不要考慮核安？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:50.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:54.666000+08:00","text":"這個情況還是要符合安全規定，緊急情況……","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:56.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:57.867000+08:00","text":"他講的意思是馬上可以啟用哦！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:59.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:04.611000+08:00","text":"停機沒有多久的核電設備馬上就可以啟用，他講的是這個意思哦！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:05.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.453000+08:00","text":"你翻一翻，這是他2023年的言論，因為他是2024年選總統嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.773000+08:00","text":"他2023年公開講什麼話？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.773000+08:00","text":"他講這個話。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:08.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:09.773000+08:00","text":"這在法規上是不允許的，不允許現在去做。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:17.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:17.517000+08:00","text":"所以他那個時候是隨便講講，是不是？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:17.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:17.657000+08:00","text":"騙選票。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:17.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:18.338000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，讓我把話講完，只有一種情況例外……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:18.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:18.678000+08:00","text":"就是這個意思啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:18.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:19.398000+08:00","text":"不然是怎樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:19.398000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:20.398000+08:00","text":"他是總統就是例外。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:19.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:37.545000+08:00","text":"只有一種情況例外，就是遇到緊急狀況，依照我們的憲法，總統是可以要求緊急處理。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:37.545000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:39.507000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣，那他講的就沒有錯哦！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:39.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:39.847000+08:00","text":"現在是不是緊急情況？是啊！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:40.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:42.350000+08:00","text":"中東戰爭打不完，每天都在打，現在是不是緊急狀況？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:42.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:44.812500+08:00","text":"我問你，現在是不是緊急狀況？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:44.812500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:47.275000+08:00","text":"這個要由上級來判斷。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:47.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:49.737500+08:00","text":"等一下，wait a minute！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:49.737500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:52.200000+08:00","text":"先請陳主委回答，因為我的時間到了，不要浪費其他委員的時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:52.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:56.221000+08:00","text":"現在如果是緊急情況，是不是可以跳過核安檢查，直接使用核電？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:56.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:56.481000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:10.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:17.111000+08:00","text":"不是，總統要宣布緊急命令，而且還要核安會核准，確定安全才能……","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:17.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:23.496000+08:00","text":"你第一次講的意思是宣布緊急情況。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:24.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:31.662000+08:00","text":"總統可以宣布緊急命令，因為是緊急命令，所以就不需要做核安檢查，直接使用核電，是不是？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:31.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:33.724000+08:00","text":"不是，還是要在安全狀況之下才能夠啟動。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:35.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:43.722000+08:00","text":"但是就不用像，台電那樣囉哩囉唆還要申請，你們核安檢查通過就可以用了，是不是這個意思？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:43.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:44.873600+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:44.873600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.025200+08:00","text":"主委，你講話啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:46.025200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:47.176800+08:00","text":"時間到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:47.176800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:48.328400+08:00","text":"我知道，你不用緊張。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:48.328400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:49.480000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:49.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:00.467000+08:00","text":"現在不管是油、氣，貨源、貨氣都是充足的，台電公司也依照正常的排程在進行發電。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:00.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:00.807000+08:00","text":"你沒有回答我的問題。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:00.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:01.887000+08:00","text":"我的問題是，賴總統講緊急情況可以用核電，我是和你談這個問題，你不要講五四三的喔！","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:01.887000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:12.674000+08:00","text":"不是講五四三，我和委員說的，是我們……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:12.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:26.385000+08:00","text":"他講過緊急情況可以用核電，主委說如果宣布緊急情況，可以跳過核安的檢查，或者是跳過申請，直接核安檢查就可以使用了，是不是？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:26.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:28.647000+08:00","text":"沒有說要跳過核安檢查，還是要做核安檢查。對，好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:29.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:33.111000+08:00","text":"就是跳過台電申請，直接核安檢查就可以用，是不是？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:35.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:37.295000+08:00","text":"主委，你要回答，這個這麼重要的問題啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:37.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:37.615000+08:00","text":"這是總統說過的話。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:40.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:45.252000+08:00","text":"還是要經過核安會的檢查，確定安全之下才可以……是啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:45.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:49.874000+08:00","text":"主委，但是就不用經過台電申請，你們直接看，可以的話就給他們使用。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:51.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:51.836000+08:00","text":"台電也要申請才行啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:52.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:55.838000+08:00","text":"但是行程可以大幅縮短吧！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:56.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:56.939000+08:00","text":"應該是這樣吧？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:57.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:59.400000+08:00","text":"這是在緊急情況之下。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:59.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:05.620000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，這個戰爭如果一直打到9月份，就是緊急情況了啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-18T11:42:05.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:11.545000+08:00","text":"你們認真去想一下，經濟部和核安會要想一下這個問題，怎麼樣才會符合這個狀況？","quali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