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謝謝好 謝謝委員好 我們非常感謝羅志強委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:19.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:22.308000+08:00","text":"請林宜敬部長及吳誠文主委。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:23.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:25.329000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:25.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:27.871000+08:00","text":"吳主委今天請假，國科會副主委代為列席。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:31.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:31.933000+08:00","text":"好，請陳副主委。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:31.933000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:38:37.196000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:38:37.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:00.275000+08:00","text":"請教兩位，歐盟、美國跟中國大陸都將人工智慧技術視為國家競爭力跟國家安全的核心領域，我國是全球半導體最重要的生產基地，晶片是AI技術發展的基礎，請問兩位是否同意臺灣在全球AI競爭當中占有關鍵性的地位？當然。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:04.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:26.684000+08:00","text":"可是我看到之前英國觀察家報所發布的2025全球AI指數報告，臺灣在93個國家當中排名第16，美國跟中國大陸是排名第1跟第2，新加坡名列第3，韓國第5，日本第11，基本上排名都領先我國。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:27.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:49.492000+08:00","text":"雖然我國在AI基礎建設排名第7屬前段班，但在AI人才、開發能力跟商業生態系的指標都較為低分，尤其是AI人才跟前一年相較，從28名下滑到第33名，開發能力從第15名退到第27名，商業生態系跟2024年一樣是第30名。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:50.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:39:53.234000+08:00","text":"我想請問部長還有副主委，怎麼看待這份報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:39:54.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:17.221000+08:00","text":"這個報告我們會認真地對待，但我們認為國家發展AI的政策，不應該看一份報告而已，因為像這個AI報告的排名也是一群研究人員他們在做的，海外其他的國家有他們的人員；我們臺灣也有非常優秀的學者，還有我們的這個政府同仁。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:18.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:39.398000+08:00","text":"舉一個例子來講，譬如AI人才的指標，我們可以用AI人才的密度或AI人才的數量，這個兩個聽起來很像，如果用數量來來做評比的話，對新加坡非常不利，但如果用人才密度的話，對新加坡就非常有利，所以這個在指標上的選擇，就會產生非常不一樣的結果。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:41.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:40:48.329000+08:00","text":"部長的說法，我也有聽過，大意就是不用太過在意，因為每個國家有每個國家部署的一些重心重點。是。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:40:48.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:05.368000+08:00","text":"但我覺得至少在這三個面向上，這個報告還是有一定的參考價值，我們有沒有一些核心的策略，比如在相關的一些國際認知上，可以讓我們臺灣未來的AI技術領先，能夠再往上提升？","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:05.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:07.150000+08:00","text":"有沒有什麼具體的策略？有。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:07.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:10.293000+08:00","text":"事實上，國科會跟數發部一直有在這方面著手。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:11.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:22.462000+08:00","text":"數發部最重要的就是要創造AI發展的生態系，我們有五大政策工具，包含算力、資料、人才、行銷以及資金，各有一套方法去做。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:23.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:40.009000+08:00","text":"以人才這部分來講，現在最重要的是制定一個人才指引，我們以前說AI人才要訓練多少人、多少人，產業界的朋友都跟我開玩笑說，如果只要會用ChatGPT就算是AI人才的話，兩分鐘就可以訓練出一個，這個都不是問題。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:40.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:41:56.938000+08:00","text":"所以最重要的是，我們要先定義什麼是AI的人才，數發部這邊制定了AI產業人才認定指引，希望創造一個生態系，讓供給方、需求方，還有這個人才本身都有一個依歸，然後讓民間的力量來幫政府訓練更多的AI人才。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:41:58.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:20.613000+08:00","text":"另外，我們講發展AI產業，輝達執行長黃仁勳也提過五層蛋糕理論，包括能源、晶片、基礎設施、模型到應用，裡面講到蛋糕的最底層就是產生電力的能源，我想這個部分也就不用多做贅述。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:42:21.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:43.789000+08:00","text":"我要問的是，就目前來講，部長跟副主委你們看到能源及算力，這樣一個幾乎是全球共識的情況下，你們覺得我們臺灣的能源基礎建設，有跟得上目前全球關於AI算力最重要的一個基層能源的部分嗎？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-03-18T11:42:46.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:57.735000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關能源的部分，國科會在算力建置的部分，我們有在做盤點，也有跟台電合作，所以國科會在建置的部分，應該是沒有問題的。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:42:58.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:42:59.636000+08:00","text":"你們建置沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:01.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:08.584000+08:00","text":"台電的部分，我們剛剛才叫過來跟核安會就能源的部分，討論核電核三的重啟的問題。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:09.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:51.250000+08:00","text":"但我還是要回頭講一件事，事實上，我們目前看到數發部也好，國科會也好，你們在管理、規劃我們所謂的AI戰略過程當中，包括技術人才養成這一塊，那當然是你們部會的業管，可是整個政府部門，也需要一個整體性的一個水平跟垂直合作，尤其是我們剛剛所講的這五層蛋糕，有些部分是我們國科會也好，或數發部的業管內容，但有些部分涉及基礎能源建設，就這個部分，我覺得整個政府在面臨未來的AI時代，要集體、集力一起來合作。以上。謝謝。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:52.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:52.391000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:52.391000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:53.632000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:53.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:55.034000+08:00","text":"非常感謝羅智強委員。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:43:55.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T11:43:59.534000+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請張雅琳委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}