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也請署罰部立即加強謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:36.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:36.300000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:37.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:37.927000+08:00","text":"請數發部林部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:37.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:38.128000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:46.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:46.945000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:47.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:47.645000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:50.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T11:59:57.827000+08:00","text":"這個會期第一次對數發部的質詢，我想針對幾個重大的社會議題來跟數發部就教。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T11:59:59.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:00:44.863000+08:00","text":"第一，前些日子新北市突然間遭到無妄之災，因為接獲衛福部性影像處理中心通報，有性愛影片未經同意上傳到網站，也因此就下架了網站，即不到一天的時間，因為沒有獲得相關的回應，所以就依照SOP封鎖網域，但沒想到一天的時間裡面，因為這涉及成人影像，算是非法網站，可是他又光速的復活，甚至在網站上還高調嘲諷說，感謝新北市，所有臺灣AV免廣告，這算是對公權力的一個挑釁。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:00:44.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:00:57.636000+08:00","text":"這是非常惡劣的，因為他對公權力來說是個挑釁，而這個事情比較難處理，是因為這個網站通常都是設在海外，我們現在可以做的事情就是下架，而且我們要縮短下架的時間，加快這個速度。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:00:58.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:01:25.929000+08:00","text":"依照我們過去的經驗，如果能縮短這個網站存活的時間的話，因為設立一個新的網站，他就必須告訴他的潛在使用者說，這個新的網站叫什麼名字，針對這個部分，我們現在是由衛福部通報TWNIC，然後由TWNIC透過DNS RPZ的機制，通知各個ISP業者，所以這個會以三段來做處理，我們現在就是跟衛福部合作，想辦法把這三段的時間都儘量縮短。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:01:27.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:01:40.319000+08:00","text":"部長，我們之前已經有一個很好的案例，那時候的創意私房案，全社會譁然，不知道原來那上面有那麼多的網站，你可以加入會員，甚至你要上傳影片累積自己的積分。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:01:41.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:01:58.423000+08:00","text":"以前大家並不清楚，但經社會報導之後，不到一天時間就火速把它遮蔽了，至少我們用公權力讓他知道，他不是用Google那麼容易就可以搜尋得到，避免大部分的民眾去做點擊跟加入。沒錯。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:01:59.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:04.609000+08:00","text":"針對創意私房如果能有這樣一個SOP的話，現在不能這樣做一個複製嗎？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:04.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:09.353000+08:00","text":"再者，本席從過去到現在也已經一直在要求，我關心的是什麼？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:09.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:29.012000+08:00","text":"電子煙，電子煙到目前為止在臺灣是非法、不合法的，可是過去我看到電子煙比紙菸還容易讓民眾買到，甚至在網路上還可以滿千送百；還可以加會員折好禮；還可以直接寄送到便利商店裡面，不用身分認證就可以讓他取包裹。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:30.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:37.240000+08:00","text":"我質詢這個已經快一年多的時間，確實是有看到你們的努力，但還是明顯不足，為什麼？","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:37.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:45.856000+08:00","text":"因為有些時候google一下「電子煙」，確實沒有那些網站了，但有些時候還有，只是他的排名比較後面。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:46.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:02:57.342000+08:00","text":"但我現在想講的重點是，非法的網站照理講就不應該讓Google那麼容易可以直接搜尋，甚至在表單上都有。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:02:58.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:16.072000+08:00","text":"我也認同你剛剛的講法，如果能夠增加他搜尋的難度，代表他的店開了但沒有人知道，那就變成一般民眾要購買、要接觸就會比較困難，大幅的增加他的營運成本，這也不要怪我們，因為你就是非法的部分嘛！","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:16.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:28.237000+08:00","text":"好，我現在要直接請教，像這個成人影音網站這樣子大動作的跟新北市府、跟衛福部、跟我們數發部挑釁，則我們未來能夠怎麼做？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:28.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:35.720000+08:00","text":"關於通報的時間，是不是可以直接很明確的告訴國人，如果未來通報後，多久時間內可以把它給遮蔽？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:36.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:42.844000+08:00","text":"我完全同意委員的說法，第一個，之前創意私房那個事件發生以後……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:42.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:45.506000+08:00","text":"創意私房可以一天之內就遮蔽，其他呢？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:46.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:50.490000+08:00","text":"等一下、等一下，你聽我講完，我們後來就把這個做成SOP，然後加快處理速度。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:51.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:03:59.956000+08:00","text":"剛才講到TWNIC，我們數發部主管這個部分，現在平均是兩個小時，我們就已經把它處理完了，也就是說，衛福部通知我們……","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:03:59.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:01.117000+08:00","text":"有辦法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:01.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:06.001000+08:00","text":"我看到的是他上個禮拜又火速恢復，而且就是我剛講的嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"曾司長文方","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:07.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:29.401000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，火速恢復其實等於他重新再另起新的域名，可能是同樣內容或部分內容相同，就這個部分，變成這些違法網站要去申請一個新的網域，其實是很容易的，所以在這部分的話，衛福部其實有針對兒少……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:29.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:29.861000+08:00","text":"所以您是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:29.861000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:35.142000+08:00","text":"資源司司長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:35.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:38.184000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長講兩個小時，如果你真的有辦法兩個小時……對。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:39.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:52.331000+08:00","text":"如果他今天再開另外一間，我們現在不要的是，本來大家不知道有這個網站，結果因為社會事件爆發，反而大家知道原來是可以點這個網站，如果就我們數發部剛剛講的，拍胸部保證兩個小時內可以處理……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:52.331000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:53.371000+08:00","text":"那個不是拍胸部保證，這個是……","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:53.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:04:59.895000+08:00","text":"這樣就可以來做處理，但並不是讓他再新開張之後，反而還可以就此予以宣傳，讓大家都可以來這個網站。","quality":0.558},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:04:59.895000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:01.956000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為如同我一開始講的，它是有三段……","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:01.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:03.437000+08:00","text":"我要的是一個處理問題的態度跟做法，不是說今天標榜……部長，給你時間說明。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:13.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:26.292000+08:00","text":"我們有三段，第一個就是衛福部要發現這個事情，然後要通知我們，這是第一段的工作；第二段工作就是我們TWNIC收到衛福部通知，啟動DNS RPZ，這是第二段的工作。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:27.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:35.577000+08:00","text":"現在據我們了解，就是中間這個地方，我們平均是花兩個小時，但前面那一段，可能衛福部有一些行政程序還要再做確認等等……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:35.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:36.958000+08:00","text":"所以拖延的是衛福部？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:37.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:40.280000+08:00","text":"我聽你這樣講的潛臺詞就是這樣子啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:40.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:40.820000+08:00","text":"不要這樣子……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:42.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:48.966000+08:00","text":"不是，因為你就講說……衛福部……你現在看他存活了幾個小時、幾天……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:48.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:05:51.468000+08:00","text":"我們現在是要幫助衛福部解決問題，我們不是責怪他們。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:05:51.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:16.045000+08:00","text":"部長，我也不希望你們分得那麼詳細，我現在沒有設陷阱題給你跳，我現在要告訴你的是，今天看到一個問題，就要解決問題，我想這是我們全委員會、這個會議室裡面，大家都認為是很重要的，違法的東西不能在網路上販賣；違法的成人影音、影像，如果他真的有上傳那些違法影像，那是不行的！","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:16.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:19.768000+08:00","text":"我現在只想要的是，是不是能夠跟衛福部再加速？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:20.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:22.450000+08:00","text":"還是說確認一下這個流程要多少時間？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:23.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:28.816000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，因為這個事情一發生以後，衛福部石部長馬上跟我通電話討論過，然後我……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:28.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:42.489000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜內請衛福部、數發部開會，讓我們知道你接下來的SOP，甚至有牽扯到地方政府的話，請共同來商議，然後告訴我們流程所需的時間跟明確的後續處理經過。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:42.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:45.652000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們都已經做成SOP，然後已經送到行政院，行政院那邊也已經……","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"曾司長文方","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:48.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:51.254000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們有相關的處理原則。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:51.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:54.278000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，相關處理原則下班前先給我，好不好？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:54.278000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:55.278000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾司長文方","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:55.278000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:06:56.278000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:06:55.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:04.031000+08:00","text":"還有，我要確認你們現在處理的速度到底是如何，未來我也會持續追，不要再讓本席下一次來時還要說：奇怪，這些違法網站怎麼還在？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:05.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:07:31.525000+08:00","text":"再來，部長一定有看過AI，現在有傳了好多影片，包括嘲諷的、名人換臉的，如果名人換臉無傷大雅，當然你換到那些名人的臉也很奇怪，譬如說逃學威龍的電影很紅，然後就把一堆名人弄進去，都跟周星馳一起在那邊躲子彈，不管你有沒有看過，對此，我想凸顯的是什麼？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:07:31.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:01.162000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統也被換臉，川普也被換臉，蕭美琴副總統也被換臉，這些都是有頭有臉的人，其實現在要換臉也非常容易，差不多兩年前我們開始討論，從小玉網紅換臉事件等等之後，當時那是一些性影像，所以造成了犯罪，但現在AI科技已經又走得更前面，任何人幾乎不用什麼特別技術，搜尋網路上一些教學後，你就可以有辦法換臉，而且換臉的狀況更是以假亂真。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:03.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:04.223000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:04.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:23.764000+08:00","text":"現在我們面臨這樣一個問題，因為大家也開始在說資訊戰、認知作戰等等，未來如果這些的換臉，不是好笑的影片，而是變成是嚴肅的影片，甚至變成是擾亂國安的影片等等，數發部如何超前部署、有無什麼因應的作為？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:24.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:36.396000+08:00","text":"如果他是明確違法，而且明確確定是AI生成的話，我們就會馬上要求這個平臺下架，如果是獨立的網站，我們就用啟動DNS RPZ的機制，但是如果……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:36.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:37.417000+08:00","text":"LINE轉傳呢？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:38.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:08:40.438000+08:00","text":"現在我們看到很多情況是在LINE轉傳。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:08:40.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:16.495000+08:00","text":"對，LINE轉傳這個問題，那是另外的部分，對不起，我先講完前面的部分，另外一個很重要的重點是我們採用標示的方式，事實上，我們是希望所有AI生成的影像都必須標示這是AI生成的，這個事情在美國拜登政府時期就已經有要求各平臺，像Facebook、像Google等等要做這個標示，可是後來換成川普總統以後，美國對這方面的要求變得比較鬆一點，但是我們認為臺灣這邊還是應該要做這個標示，因為這些公司通常都是一些跨國的公司……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:16.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:17.955000+08:00","text":"我們有什麼法規、有什麼辦法來管理？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:19.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:34.040000+08:00","text":"其實你在講的都是一個理論，但重點是，當然中華民國的處境來說並不容易，我們也不是一個資訊大國，可是另外一點是，現在這個問題產生了，我就說了，大家應該都有收過包括變臉的影片、換臉的影片等等，都有！","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:34.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:35.040000+08:00","text":"當然、當然。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:34.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:37.942000+08:00","text":"我現在只是點出這個問題，但不能無解啊！有啊！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:38.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:40.022000+08:00","text":"我們現在正在努力，我們也希望……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:40.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:41.883000+08:00","text":"你現在告訴我的解決就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:41.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:43.483000+08:00","text":"等一下，聽我講完嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:43.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:09:45.084000+08:00","text":"就是依賴川普總統哪一天突然覺得這個很嚴重……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:09:46.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:01.632000+08:00","text":"我們現在有在制定這個規則，我們第一步是先跟這些平臺溝通，如果不行的話，我們就希望啟動立法，因為有立法我們這邊就有更強的底氣去跟這些平臺溝通，因為你來臺灣做生意，就必須遵守臺灣的法律。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:01.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:01.772000+08:00","text":"時間上呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:04.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:09.599000+08:00","text":"時間的部分，之前也有委員問這個問題，因為現在我們並沒有法律的工具……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:09.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:15.342000+08:00","text":"沒有，現在已經有AI基本法，已經三讀通過了，後續就是要有相關的作用法。是、對。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:16.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:18.724000+08:00","text":"你是說立法的部分？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:18.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:19.724000+08:00","text":"當然啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:19.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:20.724000+08:00","text":"OK、OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:19.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:41.735000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講的立法，其實就是我接著要衍生的議題，今天不是本席幫你講完，而是我們就是面對問題、解決問題、講重點，本席要講的是，AI基本法已經在去年通過了，相關的作用法其實就要出來，該嚇阻的要嚇阻、該促進產業的要促進產業以及該加強的要加強，這些都是一套的。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:42.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:42.575000+08:00","text":"完全同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:43.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:46.657000+08:00","text":"你剛剛的回答是說，等川普什麼時候想通了，這個就很嚴重了。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:46.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:46.977000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:47.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:48.518000+08:00","text":"那句話我沒講，我只是講……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:48.518000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:49.779000+08:00","text":"當然你現在講的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:49.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:51.300000+08:00","text":"我不是說我要等川普想通了，後面那段不是我講的。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:51.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:53.741000+08:00","text":"但是我現在要的是，我們要怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:54.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:54.921000+08:00","text":"我們要怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:55.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:10:55.101000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:10:56.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:01.403000+08:00","text":"就是如同委員講的，我都完全同意，我們要想辦法啟動立法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:02.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:03.244000+08:00","text":"什麼時間點可以提出？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:03.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:07.445000+08:00","text":"希望在這個會期我們能有一些方案出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:07.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:24.229000+08:00","text":"這個會期本席可以跟數發部我們共同合作，立院、行政是一體的，關心這個議題的所有委員都可以一起來，但是我希望行政部門可以負起責任，先提出來相關的法令版本，我們提出相對應的版本，大家一起來研究，這個會期提出來。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:24.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:25.289000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:26.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:32.992000+08:00","text":"針對名人變臉、針對AI軟體運用等等相關後續，這是AI基本法通過之後，本來就應該要有的作為。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:33.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:34.372000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯，委員講的完全沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:34.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:36.313000+08:00","text":"好，我會繼續追，也請數發部積極加強。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:36.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:37.313000+08:00","text":"請跟洪委員聯繫，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:36.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:36.313000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:36.813000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:40.813000+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請林楚茵委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}