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寫在網路上有沒有通報的綠色通道或途徑還是說可以怎麼樣讓數位不知道"},{"start":356.562,"end":362.185,"text":"有沒有 或者如果沒有 我們是不是可以研議一個因為我覺得啦 就像詐騙一樣要集結眾人之力 不然你們真的會累死那麼中國只要換個名字 反正我就換個樣態那可能他還是可以借屍還魂 或者是另起爐灶同樣的東西再來做處理 我建議你們回去給一個綠色通道 給一個所謂的通報專線"},{"start":381.215,"end":410.082,"text":"就像詐騙一樣我們把這種有資安風險的中國製AI也讓他有機會被下架或被處理好不好是非常謝謝委員這個提議我們會處理不過也跟委員說明一下因為在資安上面通常駭客要那個進攻防守方有一個手法就是把那個防守方累死他就一直來通報譬如說一天給我通報一千個那個APP那就把我們累死了然後真正有問題的他反而我們就沒時間去好沒關係這個你們可以判斷但至少我認為可以架一個通道讓"},{"start":411.002,"end":415.456,"text":"民眾來一起來當資安守門員 好不好好 非常謝謝委員好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:58.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:58.508000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:58.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:59.234000+08:00","text":"主席，有請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:11:59.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:11:59.395000+08:00","text":"我們請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:12:08.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:12:08.845000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:12:09.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:12:09.746000+08:00","text":"部長好，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:12:09.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:12:10.466000+08:00","text":"時間都來到12點鐘了，大家在這裡開會，討論的是AI相關的發展，當然也包括了軟體的應用。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:12:10.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:12:40.620000+08:00","text":"我知道部長日理萬機，而我現在要提的這一部劇，你可能沒時間看，不過最近非常的紅，就是在社群平臺上由BLACKPINK其中一位成員演了一齣戲，叫做「訂閱男友」，裡頭透過AI虛擬的方式，就是以後大家不用談戀愛了，跟AI談戀愛就好。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:12:41.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:14:15.298000+08:00","text":"為什麼我用這個做引子，是因為我現在要關注的問題，就是現在AI的使用非常普遍，像用Gemini、ChatGPT，甚至於連做報告、看的PTT都是使用AI，但是他也演進成為陪聊，所謂的聊天app，而這個聊天的app現在已經被越來越多的使用者認為他是中國製造，中國製造的問題，部長比我們更清楚，尤其是中國有所謂的網路管理辦法以及中國有所謂相關的安全辦法，國安局其實都已經提醒了，就是這些中國製造的app，確實不只是偷窺你的資訊、蒐集你的資訊，甚至於會植入中國的所謂價值觀，甚至於去改寫歷史，包括現在我所蒐集到的，不論是媒體的報導或者是使用者他們特別在網路上分享的，像這個BIMOBIMO曾被媒體說，他其實是可以偷窺使用者家裡的環境跟狀況，而他背後是武漢聚發科技有限公司，他會告訴使用者說，自古以來，臺灣就是中國的領土；另外一個是叫做「碎碎念記帳本」，更多的網友說，其實在跟你聊天記帳的過程，他植入了很多時事，而這些時事的內容不盡合理，甚至於是某些政治立場。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:14:17.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:14:24.183000+08:00","text":"對於我們來說，現在面對這樣子放上去的app，我們只有提醒嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:14:24.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:14:25.764000+08:00","text":"這樣的提醒足夠嗎？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:14:26.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:14:42.055000+08:00","text":"現在我來截取一段國安局的報告，裡面特別提到了生成式的AI語言模型，潛藏的除了資安風險之外，甚至於會搜羅你個人的個資，甚至於進一步可能危及到國家安全。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:14:42.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:14:52.647000+08:00","text":"所以我比較具體地問數發部，現在像這樣的app放到平臺上面之後，數發部有管理的能力嗎？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:14:52.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:15:21.053000+08:00","text":"還是說現在拿Apple手機的，你就去App Store；如果是拿所謂另外一套Google系統的，你就是到Google的商店，這些放上去的不勝枚舉，非常的大海茫茫，對於現在我們已經看到的、這樣一個具體呈現出來的，就是中國製造的AI資安破口，數位部有沒有一個想法來做處理？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:15:22.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:15:42.302000+08:00","text":"關於中製app的風險，我們分幾個方面來講，第一個方面，我們所謂傳統的資安，譬如說裡面有沒有木馬、有沒有病毒，這是第一個部分；第二是個資的風險，我們知道有些app會蒐集個資，但中國的app蒐集個資特別地危險，為什麼呢？","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:15:42.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:15:53.146000+08:00","text":"因為依照中國的法律，中國的政府可以隨時要求所有這些軟體公司，把他蒐集到的這些資訊都交給政府，所以這一點我們必須讓大家都知道。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:15:54.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:16:09.234000+08:00","text":"再來就是意識形態的問題，我們是希望他的觀點跟臺灣一樣，事實上有很多事情，譬如說三權分立是不是好事？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:16:10.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:16:24.384000+08:00","text":"臺灣不管藍、綠、白，我們都認為……對不起，有人認為是五權分立，至少權力制衡臺灣，大家都認為是好事，可是中國的觀點就認為這個是資本主義的民主制度，是不好的，所以我們是分成這幾方面來做。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:16:24.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:16:42.478000+08:00","text":"而我們的具體做法，第一個，我們的資安署跟資安院會做一些檢測，就是把一些中國製的app還有其他的app，我們來做檢測，看看他會蒐集哪些個資；他在蒐集個資的過程中，有沒有明確取得使用者的同意？","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:16:44.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:16:48.781000+08:00","text":"接下來我們會定期發布報告，因為我們能量有限，所以我們會開始做一些……","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:16:49.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:16:59.827000+08:00","text":"像這種民眾直接就反映的，包括我前面講的這兩個app，有沒有辦法用一個路徑或是一個SOP就可以處理下來，甚至於讓他有機會下架？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:00.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:18.278000+08:00","text":"因為現在民眾比較關心，我也知道數發部能力有限，包括很多產業的發展等等也要做，只是說像這種已經透過媒體報導，又或者是透過網路已經被認定就是怪怪的，這個部分可以處理嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:18.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:20.539000+08:00","text":"我其實比較想知道的是要怎麼處理呢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:23.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:33.508000+08:00","text":"針對大家比較有在使用的，坦白講，一些媒體在報導的我們會優先去處理，既然委員提到了我們資安署就會趕快去檢查，針對這幾個來做檢測報告。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:33.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:40.912000+08:00","text":"是，等於是說你們固定會有檢測報告，但現在還是停留在比較是提醒的部分。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:41.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:46.775000+08:00","text":"但是現在如果發現了，除了跟媒體講或是寫在網路上，那有沒有通報的綠色通道或途徑？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:46.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:47.536000+08:00","text":"還是說可以怎麼樣讓數位部知道？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:51.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:51.822000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:52.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:53.824000+08:00","text":"如果沒有，我們是不是可以研議一個方式？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:53.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:54.764000+08:00","text":"我覺得，就像詐騙一樣，要集結眾人之力，不然你們真的會累死！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:54.764000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:55.764000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:55.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:17:56.305000+08:00","text":"中國只要換個名字、換個樣態，可能他還是可以借屍還魂或者是另起爐灶，同樣的東西再來做處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:17:56.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:22.076000+08:00","text":"我建議你們回去後，能給一個綠色通道，給一個所謂的通報專線，就像詐騙一樣，我們把這種有資安風險的中國製AI，也讓他有機會被下架或被處理，好不好？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:22.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:41.621000+08:00","text":"是，非常謝謝委員的提議，我們會處理，不過也跟委員說明一下，因為在資安上面，通常駭客進攻防守方有一個手法，就是把防守方累死，他就一直來通報，譬如一天給我通報1,000個app，就把我們累死了，然後真正有問題的，反而我們就沒時間去處理。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:41.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:48.550000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，這個你們可以去判斷，但至少我認為可以架一個通道讓民眾一起來當資安守門員，好不好？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:48.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:50.436000+08:00","text":"好，非常謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:50.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:50.456000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:50.956000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:18:53.813143+08:00","text":"好，非常感謝林楚茵委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:18:54.113143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:00.970286+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請謝衣鳯委員，謝衣鳯委員，謝衣鳯委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:01.270286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:06.984571+08:00","text":"高金素梅委員，高金素梅委員，高金素梅委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:07.284571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:12.141714+08:00","text":"蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:12.441714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:17.298857+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:17.598857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:21.313143+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請游顥委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}