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part然後更大所以他通常是建立一個算力中心然後還要很多是水冷式的所以這個蠻複雜的所以這些算力中心可能會最後選址會選在幾個縣市而已那有南投嗎"},{"start":321.035,"end":345.996,"text":"目前我坦白講我沒有收到這個申請因為這是民間現在大部分這個算力中心是民間在申請在設置的所以目前好像沒有有機會的話一樣是讓我們南投可以帶動這種相關的產業的發展還有促進就業機會那同樣的因為現在的這個算力中心他在支撐這個AI的相關的計畫其實主要的支撐點就在於電力"},{"start":346.776,"end":364.131,"text":"那現在的這個電力的問題的話其實本席也就爬過相關的報導跟討論啦所以這個電力的問題當然說主責是在經濟部可是目前來講看到要推展的全台不管是廣設36座的專利中心等等的需求電力"},{"start":364.671,"end":382.775,"text":"那目前是沒有看到明確的一個計畫要如何來支撐這樣子的算力中心那我想說是不是可以請部長簡短的跟大家報告一下會不會來去克服這個問題關於電力的部分因為現在是由那個經濟部還有台電他們主責的那我們是"},{"start":383.555,"end":403.585,"text":"會做好溝通的工作就是當民間的算力公司在做建設的時候如果遇到任何電力土地或其他方面的問題我們樹發部都會協助去協調去想辦法解決這個問題當然這個電力也是我們非常關心的一個電力的部分的供應那要如何能夠穩定來支撐"},{"start":407.227,"end":417.012,"text":"目前我們得到的訊息是應該是沒有問題的那當然這個事情我要再三的跟經濟部確認協調其實如果說以兩個機組的這個機台的電力幾乎就等於是一個台天大樓整個的一個電力"},{"start":423.656,"end":451.835,"text":"所以說未來來講其實像看世界各國他們在不斷的強化精進以及廣設這個算力中心以及相關的數據中心所以這個電力需求是非常龐大那其實在台灣本來目前就是屬於一個越來越去缺電的一個環境所以說在會往中南部來去設置這個算力中心也好就是最主要是因為在北部的供電是非常吃緊這個是部長您說過的那未來的話您有沒有可能在速發部的角色也支持其實"},{"start":452.515,"end":472.088,"text":"合一合二的話能夠持續來做演繹或者是能夠重啟的部分關於這個方面關於那個核能的問題當然我們很關心但是這個是由那個經濟部還有那個沒關係就問蘇發部的立場會不會支持這個可能不方便沒關係那我就直接接著問像現在來講的話中東的戰事其實他不會那麼快結束"},{"start":477.492,"end":497.944,"text":"那台灣的話幾乎有三分之一的天然氣都會受到影響啊那所以短期之內不可能像如川普所說的四周內結束啊那三分之一的天然氣影響影響的不僅是整體的台灣的民生用電那所以在AI的一個相關的建制的部分電力的話更是雪上加霜啊那這個部分你要怎麼看如何克服"},{"start":499.906,"end":522.783,"text":"這個部分還是一樣我們會努力跟經濟部來協調另外就是算力的配置因為我們知道其實現在大部分AI所需的算力是透過Internet所以有些算力會在海外有些算力會在台灣我們台灣因為需要主權AI我們必須有一些算力中心在台灣這樣我們在法律上才管得到"},{"start":523.423,"end":546.807,"text":"所以我們這邊速發部我們是會跟國科會經濟部一起合作想辦法在台灣設立一些那個算力中心各種做任何事情都會有一些困難有一些挑戰那我們會努力去克服去解決那姑且就不論剛才所提到的那個電力滿格論您要怎麼回應但是至少百億AI基金那一年的部分它這個總共六個投資案"},{"start":547.427,"end":562.209,"text":"那本席還是希望速發部可以持續享受各種的方式來鼓勵來投資那讓他的百億政策基金他不僅是政策宣示能夠達到持續AI提升的效果是好謝謝委員提醒好非常感謝劉浩偉委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.185000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.305000+08:00","text":"主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.405000+08:00","text":"我們請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.725000+08:00","text":"游委員午安。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.786000+08:00","text":"部長午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:36.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:19:38.267000+08:00","text":"本席還是非常肯定部長對於我們南投許多的協助。是。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:19:39.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:20:51.095000+08:00","text":"延續剛才許多委員的質詢，本席還是要接著就教，像剛才洪孟楷委員提到的「MissAV」境外違法平台，你表示無論是衛福部的通報、相關的機制或等於是第三端的數發部都已經進行封鎖處理的機制，但是他們只要換一個方式就可以馬上持續上架，這些影片對受害者就是持續的傷害，因此，針對已經被鎖定或過去曾經下架的平台，數發部是否能夠不要再經由公文旅行的繁複過程，精準鎖定讓它直接再次下架？","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:20:51.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:04.449000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯，如同委員所言，最重要的是速度，對付這些很惡劣的網站、集團，我們最好的方法就是儘速下架，提高它的犯案成本。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:05.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:14.039000+08:00","text":"我們的做法就是儘量電子化，不要再走紙本公文的方式，因為紙本公文的動作很慢，是不是請我們的資源司司長補充說明一下？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"曾司長文方","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:14.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:15.039000+08:00","text":"關於剛剛委員垂詢的問題，兒少條例其實已授權主管機關，也就是衛福部，建立網路主動巡查的機制，因此，衛福部應該有透過AI技術即時辨別違法影像是不是重複出現。","quality":0},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:14.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:16.220000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣的話，一旦有再次上架的狀況，可以縮短在多久時間內再次進行下架？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"曾司長文方","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:42.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:21:54.800000+08:00","text":"這個部分應該是由衛福部建置，只要他們發現後以公文的方式傳送給我們，目前是2個小時之內就可以完成處理。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:21:55.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:04.267000+08:00","text":"當初如果是違法被下架的話，同樣的內容就應該要直接處理，而不是再次做確認。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:05.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:05.487000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:06.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:16.253000+08:00","text":"向委員說明一下，我們現在的通報分成三段，第一個是主管機關衛福部發現這個問題，而且要通知我們，這是第一段的工作。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:16.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:31.501000+08:00","text":"第二段是我們這邊的TWNIC臺灣網路資訊中心收到通知之後要啟動DNS RPZ的機制，在DNS RPZ的機制啟動之後，再由各家網路業者進行封鎖的動作，總共就是分成這三段。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:32.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:22:51.076000+08:00","text":"至於我們中間這一段，如同剛剛司長所言，我們已經將時間壓縮到平均2個小時，但是，因為衛福部或各個地方政府，譬如新北市政府，他們內部會有一些作業流程，所以我們也會與他們合作，想辦法幫助他們縮短這個時間。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:22:53.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:02.823000+08:00","text":"針對這個題目，本席直接建議，既然被罰過就表示它是不當的內容，因此，在處理上還是應該從機制去做改善。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:03.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:15.229000+08:00","text":"如果是重新再做確認，無論是怎樣的協助輔導，其實還是在拖延時間，如果可以的話，本席建議就是直接下架、相關的違法平台就是直接以同樣的方式處理。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:16.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:19.992000+08:00","text":"因此，本席希望的是機制如何改善。是。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:21.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:40.585000+08:00","text":"關於韓國電商平台酷澎個資外洩的事件，剛才的質詢有提到調查報告已送至行政院，請問，因為全國民眾對相關內容都非常關心，是不是可以把相關資料提供給交通委員會，讓大家也能夠進行了解？","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:41.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:42.226000+08:00","text":"OK，沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:23:44.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:23:59.741000+08:00","text":"剛才部長也提到全臺都要做算力中心的布建、布署，請問，因為電力的關係，未來是不是會往中南部進行布建、布署？是。","quality":0.617},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:01.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:08.909000+08:00","text":"請問，在22個縣市中，尤其是以臺灣主要的19個縣市而言，未來都會有算力中心的規劃建置嗎？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:10.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:25.989000+08:00","text":"其實算力中心並不需要在每個地方都去建置，現在輝達已經將算力中心的系統都做成一個一個的機櫃，以前是一台一台的server，後來都做成一個一個的機櫃，稱為super pad，更大。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:26.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:37.777000+08:00","text":"通常建立一個算力中心，很多是水冷式的，其實是相當複雜，因此，這些算力中心最後的選址可能會選在幾個縣市而已。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:38.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:38.878000+08:00","text":"有南投嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:41.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:49.543000+08:00","text":"坦白講，目前我沒有收到申請，現在大部分的算力中心都是民間申請設置，所以目前好像是沒有。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:50.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:24:56.328000+08:00","text":"有機會的話，希望也能在南投帶動這方面的相關產業發展，促進就業機會。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:24:56.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:36.628000+08:00","text":"同樣的，因為算力中心支撐AI相關計畫的主要支撐點就在於電力，關於現在的電力問題，其實本席也看過相關的報導及討論，雖然電力問題的主責是在經濟部，但是就目前而言，無論是全臺要廣設36座算力中心等等的電力需求，並沒有看到一個明確的計畫，打算如何支撐這些算力中心，是不是可以請部長簡短的向大家報告一下，如何克服這個問題？","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:36.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:43.536000+08:00","text":"關於電力的部分，現在是由經濟部及台電主責，我們會做好溝通的工作。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:25:44.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:25:59.343000+08:00","text":"當民間的算力公司進行建設時，如果遇到任何電力、土地或其他方面的問題，我們數發部都會協助進行協調、想辦法解決相關的問題，當然電力也是我們非常關心的部分。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:00.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:02.585000+08:00","text":"電力供應的部分，如何能夠穩定的支撐？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:06.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:11.570000+08:00","text":"目前我們得到的訊息，應該是沒有問題的，當然我還是要與經濟部再三地確認及協調。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:11.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:46.552000+08:00","text":"如果以2個機組機台的電力而言，幾乎等於是一個臺電大樓整個的電力，未來世界各國將不斷地強化精進並廣設算力中心及相關的數據中心，所以這個電力需求是非常龐大的，然而臺灣目前處於一個越來越趨缺電的環境，因此，往中南部設置算力中心的最主要原因是北部的供電非常吃緊，這也是部長說過的。沒錯。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:47.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:26:56.158000+08:00","text":"未來以數發部的角色是否可能支持核一、核二的延役或重啟？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:26:57.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:03.023000+08:00","text":"關於核能的問題，我們當然也很關心，不過，這是由經濟部……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:04.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:04.964000+08:00","text":"沒關係！","quality":1},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:05.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:06.185000+08:00","text":"站在數發部的立場會不會支持？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:07.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:07.646000+08:00","text":"這個可能不方便，我必須尊重其他部會。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:08.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:09.007000+08:00","text":"沒關係！","quality":1},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:09.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:36.924000+08:00","text":"我就繼續提問，目前的中東戰事並不會那麼快結束，臺灣幾乎有三分之一的天然氣都會受到影響，既然短期內不可能如川普所說的4周內結束，三分之一的天然氣不只是影響到臺灣整體的民生用電，甚至是AI建置的部分，在電力方面更是雪上加霜，你認為這個部分要如何克服？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:38.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:43.269000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我們還是會努力與經濟部協調。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:43.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:27:55.038000+08:00","text":"另外就是算力的配置，我們知道現在大部分AI所需的算力是透過internet，所以有些算力會在海外、有些算力會在臺灣。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:27:55.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:10.331000+08:00","text":"我們台灣因為需要主權AI就必須有一些算力中心在臺灣，這樣我們在法律上才能管得到，因此，我們數發部會與國科會及經濟部合作，想辦法在臺灣設立一些算力中心。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:11.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:16.397000+08:00","text":"做任何事情都會有一些困難、有一些挑戰，我們會努力去克服、去解決。","quality":1},{"speaker":"游委員顥","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:16.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:36.823000+08:00","text":"姑且不論你對於剛才提到的電力滿格論要如何回應，至少針對百億AI基金一年總共有6個投資案，本席還是希望數發部可以持續想出各種方式鼓勵投資，讓百億基金不僅是政策宣示，也能夠達到持續的AI提升效果。","quality":0.856},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:37.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:38.846000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員的提醒。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:39.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:41.209000+08:00","text":"非常感謝游顥委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:41.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:44.851857+08:00","text":"接下來請陳冠廷委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}