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非常感謝委員的支持我們非常感謝陳冠廷委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:53.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:53.599000+08:00","text":"感謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:53.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:28:56.220000+08:00","text":"我們請數發部部長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:28:56.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:03.343000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:03.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:03.583000+08:00","text":"委員午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:04.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:04.503000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:05.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:28.157000+08:00","text":"首先要肯定部長及部裡的同仁們，根據部裡的資料顯示，GPU的算力池截止到114年年底，已經幫助了186家民間業者，開放了二百多個模型及AI服務，甚至其中有80家已經達到產品的規模化，方向是對的，所以我們對此給予肯定。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:28.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:29.358000+08:00","text":"是，感謝委員的支持。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:30.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:48.959000+08:00","text":"不過，我們回到國內的部分再來看一下，政府提供的免費算力額度，大概是等值新臺幣65萬元，但是業界租一台AI伺服器一個月大概要80萬元左右，更不用講買一台要上千萬元，成本就更大了。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:48.959000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:29:50.661000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:29:50.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:11.413000+08:00","text":"也就是說，現在政府給的額度可能連一個月的租金都租不起，剛剛許多委員也都有提到，但我們很遺憾有些預算無法好好的審查，因此，無法有更多預算在算力上面增加更多的資本、增加更多的投資。是。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:11.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:25.118000+08:00","text":"我們還是回到剛才所講的，一個月65萬元與80萬元，表示現在確實是有不足的狀況，如果我們要讓公共算力從驗證到可以持續性商用，還是有一段距離。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:25.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:33.222000+08:00","text":"所謂的驗證，無論是一開始草創的企業也好，特別是AI這個產業，其實一切都是在草創當中……沒錯。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:34.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:48.550000+08:00","text":"就像有人笑稱在淘金潮的加州一開始最先發財的是賣鏟子的人，其後才是整個淘金行業的興盛。是。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:48.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:30:53.714000+08:00","text":"我們現在還是在最前端、還在鏟子的部分、還在最基礎建設的部分。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:30:55.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:02+08:00","text":"如果政府能夠在最基礎的部分推一把的話，再加上我們原本已有很好的實力，那麼我們就能走得更遠、走得更快。是。","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:02.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:08.724000+08:00","text":"如果能從短期驗證升級為可持續商用，也就是擴張這樣的時程，有沒有這樣的想法？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:08.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:10.866000+08:00","text":"如果有的話，時程大概是如何，可否請部長簡單說明一下？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:13.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:20.631000+08:00","text":"在算力方面，我們數發部現在只有40片的GPU，坦白講，這個數量是少得可憐！","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:20.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:30.075000+08:00","text":"但是，40片的GPU並不是要讓民間公司做商業的運作，主要是讓創業家在一開始驗證他的想法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:31.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:39.880000+08:00","text":"因為我本身也是創業家，二十幾年前創業時就在家裡擺一台電腦，大概是2萬元臺幣，我就開始寫程式了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:40.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:31:55.286000+08:00","text":"但是，現在的AI創業就如同委員所言，這台GPU的server大概都要超過1,000萬臺幣，所以我說這是對許多創業家的靈魂考驗，是不是要拿房子抵押去買一台GPU的server。","quality":0.628},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:31:56.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:08.713000+08:00","text":"現在我們就告訴他們不需要抵押房子，可以使用數發部的算力去做實驗，實驗成功就可以拿實驗數據去找投資人，拿到投資的資金。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:10.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:18.438000+08:00","text":"如果失敗了，也要恭喜你，因為你的房子還在，不用因為擔心失敗而不敢創業。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:19.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:23.261000+08:00","text":"數發部等於是扮演孵育器的角色。是。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:25.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:34.445000+08:00","text":"在這個孵育器的角色中，我們甚至可以持有部分可能是獨角獸的股份，它可能成為未來新一代的台積電等等。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:35.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:53.400000+08:00","text":"過去是硬體，未來可以是軟體或是相關的運用，像這次軟體也是被打趴了、被打得落花流水，因為現在慢慢的走向AI Agent、慢慢的走向AI軟體，多了很多的基礎點，我們希望數發部可以扮演孵化器的角色。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:53.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:54.400000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:53.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:32:57.184000+08:00","text":"回到我們剛才的問題，為什麼只有40片，可不可以簡單講一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:32:58.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:14.149000+08:00","text":"本來我們是希望去年能再增購100片的GPU算力，但是，很不幸的，數產署的預算都被刪掉，提出40億元被刪了20億元，所以我們就沒辦法增加我們的算力。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:15.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:30.858000+08:00","text":"部長，我認為與在野黨的競爭並不是零和遊戲，其實可以聽到許多在野黨委員都一直提出我們的算力要增加、我們的算力投資要加倍，既然投資要加倍，預算卻減少，這樣要如何投資加倍？沒錯。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:31.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:35.221000+08:00","text":"這是沒有邏輯的嘛！是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:35.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.226000+08:00","text":"除非他們走到量子力學，既要加倍又要減少，同時存在，這是胡說八道嘛！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.986000+08:00","text":"不可能存在這種狀況，對不對？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:41.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:33:42.986000+08:00","text":"是，完全沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:33:42.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:34:10.440000+08:00","text":"我們希望有更多的機會，既然在野黨委員們想要達成的目的是算力加倍，但是他們提出來的方案是減少預算，這是不符合的，可以將這些都整理出來，一一的與社會溝通，讓這些在野黨的委員們知道這樣做不會達成目的，同時也會減少對他們的支持度。是。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:34:11.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:34:32.364000+08:00","text":"我還是要強調，算力的增加可以應用於百工百業，軍方的PLTR不也是算力的展現，將它使用於實際的AI軟體應用嗎？是。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:34:33.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:34:35.764000+08:00","text":"你怎麼可能不投資在這上面呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:34:36.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:06.977000+08:00","text":"因此，這是最基礎最基礎的設施，如同許多在野黨委員爭取的哪條道路要翻新、東部的鐵道要花幾百億、幾千億打通，現在這些算力就是最基礎的，從40片到100片就可以多做一些事情、多做2.5倍的事情、讓想要從事這些企業的人多一點機會，另一方面也可以增加他們的民意支持嘛！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:08.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:15.063000+08:00","text":"因此，我認為這不是零和，而是雙贏或三贏的局面，必須要好好的與在野黨委員談一下。是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:16.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:33.385000+08:00","text":"不僅僅是在科技部，未來在國防方面也一定會有這樣的需求，就像這次的中東戰爭也是一樣，因此，這個部分再麻煩部長好好的與他們溝通，我們要的不是零和，至少要能夠往前走一步，好不好？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:33.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:35.348000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員的支持，謝謝。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:35.348000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:36.348000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:35.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:37.811000+08:00","text":"好，我們非常感謝陳冠廷委員。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:38.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:44.311000+08:00","text":"接下來是蔡易餘委員、蔡易餘委員、蔡易餘委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:44.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:49.468143+08:00","text":"張嘉郡委員、張嘉郡委員、張嘉郡委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:49.768143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:52.053857+08:00","text":"一、報告及詢答完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:52.353857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:35:58.068143+08:00","text":"二、委員徐欣瑩所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-18T12:35:58.368143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-18T12:36:09.511000+08:00","text":"三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答復部分，請數發部及國科會儘速以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}