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你不知道那個韓國大概是一個月然後日本是三週所以我要知道的是說我們雖然很希望趕快重啟核能但是我也希望問一個問題就是我們的天然氣存量為什麼沒有辦法"},{"start":251.297,"end":272.925,"text":"增加天數呢?我們就是除潮啦因為現在我們這個所以我們都知道是除潮的問題那我們不可能今天才知道除潮的問題那兩年前三年前這麼多年我們為什麼所以我就是要問你新建的速度跟新建的進度你有掌握嗎?有有有我們掌握現在狀況是怎麼樣?"},{"start":276.254,"end":290.343,"text":"明年我們這個法定的那個天數會安全存量會提升到14天所以你們努力了這麼多年只有增加三天的儲量喔你們有沒有預估說我們要能夠"},{"start":292.288,"end":319.955,"text":"比照說韓國我們可以拉長到一個月那如果我們的安全儲量要拉長到一個月的話我們需要哪些基礎設施我們需要哪些投資這個經濟部難道都沒有規劃嗎這我們都有規劃有規劃那你講給我聽你們的規劃是什麼這個部分因為我手頭上沒有把這個資料帶在這裡所以現在本席就提醒你然後甚至是不是可以盡快的提出書面資料送到本席辦公室因為這個"},{"start":321.995,"end":329.004,"text":"是全台灣的安全耶我們怎麼會不趕快加速加碼去把它完成呢一邊重啟核能一邊要加快這個天然氣除潮的增建讓我們可以更安全嘛這一點你同意嗎 同意"},{"start":340.419,"end":358.532,"text":"那當然三月底馬上又要召開這個電價審議委員會那現在大家都在擔心電價又要漲了那所以本席要請教次長這一次的這個成本壓力經濟部是不是還是能以照顧民生優先呢"},{"start":359.932,"end":364.975,"text":"我們會把委員的這個意見會帶到那個審議會我們當然就是說希望能夠物價能夠穩定那當然這個決定漲價或不漲價這個是在審議會因為這個對於很多小家庭甚至小商店小吃店影響非常的大而且我還要再一次呼籲就是說這個農業電價絕對不能漲因為農民真的是太辛苦了"},{"start":387.286,"end":393.693,"text":"這一點您能同意嗎當然我們會綜合考量在電價審議會裡面因為已經動漲了嘛農業電價現在是已經動漲但是是不是能夠繼續維持動漲這一點請次長一定要強烈的幫我們主張好嗎所以我會把我的意見帶給審議會好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝張家俊委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:16:40.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:16:42.299000+08:00","text":"主席，我請何次長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-19T11:16:42.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:16:42.579000+08:00","text":"請經濟部何次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:16:49.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:11.616000+08:00","text":"次長，今天大家都非常關心關於去年我們在立法院通過了核管法之後，讓重啟核三變成一個可能的事情，最近我看到台電在3月底送交了核三的再營運計畫，我想要請教一下次長，經濟部目前對於核能重啟的態度是怎麼樣？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:16.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:25.536000+08:00","text":"當然核能重啟要經過一個程序，未來台電會送再運轉計畫到經濟部。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:25.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:27.937000+08:00","text":"我知道，我現在想要問經濟部目前是樂觀其成嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:27.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:28.037000+08:00","text":"支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:28.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:28.357000+08:00","text":"當然我們是樂觀其成，如果安全檢查……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:28.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:29.197000+08:00","text":"你也同意我們現在國家是需要核能的吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:41.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:42.381000+08:00","text":"現在有這樣的機制，我們就照這樣的機制來讓核三……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:42.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:43.102000+08:00","text":"你身為經濟部次長，你不認為我們國家需要核能嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:43.102000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:44.102000+08:00","text":"這個能源政策……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:43.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:45.262000+08:00","text":"在整個國家的運轉上，在我們經濟的發展上，核能不重要嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:45.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:17:45.742000+08:00","text":"重要吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:17:46.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:04.006000+08:00","text":"關於核能的部分，我們也一直在跟外界溝通，其實要符合三個原則……","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:04.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:04.767000+08:00","text":"你不要那麼害怕啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:04.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:30.779000+08:00","text":"不用那麼小心，我真的希望，既然我們已經走上這條路，經濟部就要大方的承認我們是支持核能的，而且現在很多在過去反核的歐美國家也都自己說時代不一樣了，現在我們的確就是需要核能，核能是乾淨能源，重啟核三是一個非常嚴謹的流程，這個我想大家都同意。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:31.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:50.431000+08:00","text":"根據目前的資訊，台電要先針對設備老化、耐震進行自主的安全檢查，後續還要進到核安會來審查，本席想要請問次長，最快什麼時候能夠看到核三廠的電力再重新注入臺灣的電網呢？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:53.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:55.472000+08:00","text":"自主安全檢查可能要1.5年到2年的時間。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:56.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:57.613000+08:00","text":"這樣算起來呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:57.613000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:18:59.894000+08:00","text":"最快是2028。2028喔？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:18:59.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:02.695000+08:00","text":"那我怎麼之前聽你們在喊2027？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:05.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:07.203000+08:00","text":"因為還要加上核安會審查的時間。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:07.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:12.848000+08:00","text":"所以你們本來是希望2027，但是又delay到2028嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:12.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:15.550000+08:00","text":"沒有delay，就是整個程序這樣算下來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:15.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:19.973000+08:00","text":"那有可能加快腳步嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:19.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:24.636000+08:00","text":"要看設備的狀況，因為還要經過……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:24.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:27.358000+08:00","text":"當然安全是第一，這個我想大家都同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:27.358000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:28.358000+08:00","text":"對，所以也快不得啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:27.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-19T11:19:38.146000+08:00","text":"就是在安全無虞的情況之下，不希望是行政速度拖累了整個運轉、整個檢查，好不好？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-19T11:19:38.146000+08:00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