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我们会继续努力好 谢谢我们谢谢何兴淳委员的发言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:47.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:10:47.835000+08:00","text":"謝謝黃召委。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:49.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:10:50.938000+08:00","text":"請陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:51.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:10:52.599000+08:00","text":"好，請陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:52.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:10:52.679000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:58.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:10:58.716000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:10:59.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:08.520000+08:00","text":"我每次碰到NCC來立法院，我都一定會再提醒主委我所關心的兒少保護問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:08.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:11.362000+08:00","text":"在網路時代，兒少保護非常的重要。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:12.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:18.325000+08:00","text":"過去我每次在這裡質詢，你都會告訴我：兒少保護不是NCC的主要業務內容。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:18.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:38.923000+08:00","text":"但是我認為保護兒少不分哪一個部會，假使你們跟衛生福利部要合作，就要密切合作，跟其他部會合作也要密切合作，因為兒少保護、保護兒少是我們所有人的職責，也是政府的職責，這你同意吧？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:39.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:40.245000+08:00","text":"同意，謝謝委員。好。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:41.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:11:48.969000+08:00","text":"NCC除了監理影視以外，再來就是網路。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:11:49.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:12:18.016000+08:00","text":"現在網路時代來臨，AI影片的生成門檻，因為AI技術的進步，很多不管是國家、政府機構，或者是民間企業，生成式AI技術是越來越厲害，所以我記得上一次我在數位發展部的業務質詢上，我也播放了一支影片給部長看，那是我在代言推銷產品的影片，連我自己看了也覺得怎麼這麼像，連聲音都學得這麼像！","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:12:18.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:12:44.926000+08:00","text":"我現在要說這真假難辨，可能連我自己本人都很難辨識，所以AI影片的生成一定會成為有心人士的利用工具。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:12:45.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:13:09.534000+08:00","text":"我們就在擔心，你看我們從網路上看到好多AI影片生成的技術，釋放出錯誤的訊息或者是謠言，連歌曲創作、電影創作，任何的創作都有可能透過AI影片生成技術而製作出來。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:13:10.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:13:59.647000+08:00","text":"所以我就要問一下，針對這些AI生成的東西，我們沒有辦法辨識的情況下，10年前有一個「艾莎門」（Elsagate）事件，在10年前也許網路還沒有AI生成技術，但是在10年前這「艾莎門」事件，不管是動漫、動畫，或者是真人去演出的一些影片，被包裝成利用真人扮成卡通的角色，好像在演卡通、在演動漫，放到網路上的影片裡面其實包含了很多血腥、暴力的畫面。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:14:00.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:14:30.148000+08:00","text":"在10年前，當時引發了很多家長的擔憂，所以當時的平臺有自我……第一個是審查升級跟清理內容，還有也因為這個事件，家長跟我們大眾的意識提升，對於兒少保護、對於內容創作者的規範又加嚴，因為為了保護兒少，我想這是大家一致的理念跟目的。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:14:31.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:14:41.842000+08:00","text":"在10年後，現在的AI影片，我剛剛講的技術這麼好、生成速度這麼快，成本又越來越低，數量越來越氾濫。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:14:43.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:14:51.774000+08:00","text":"最近很多家長又開始在擔憂了，會不會又是「艾莎門」事件再度重演？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:14:53.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:14:57.738000+08:00","text":"孩子看到的到底是卡通，還是失控演算法下的黑箱事件？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:14:58.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:21.690000+08:00","text":"這個媒體都有在討論、輿論也都有在討論，我們很多平臺推薦給兒童看的清單也都出現了內容危機，很多內容是AI生成的，你根本不知道它是怎麼來的，這個隱憂……又大量生產，這麼氾濫，檢舉審查也沒有那麼即時。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:21.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:23.492000+08:00","text":"請教NCC能做什麼？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟委員報告，可分事前事後","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:33.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:52.100000+08:00","text":"在事前的部分，因為各大平臺都會有兒少保護的一些服務產品，NCC已經有把不同平臺，不管是YT、Meta等平臺，我們針對相關的一些防護措施，有把它做成防護的基本懶人包，在我們的官網、FB來處理……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:52.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:55.082000+08:00","text":"只有在你們官網跟你們自己的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.222000+08:00","text":"其實在iWIN那邊也有連結。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.222000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:57.222000+08:00","text":"平臺上面而已嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.883000+08:00","text":"iWIN那邊也有連結，iWIN在宣導的時候也會處理。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:56.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:57.883000+08:00","text":"遠遠不夠、遠遠不夠！","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:57.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:15:59.426000+08:00","text":"我就是要來跟你講這個，你看業界一天就能量產數百支影片，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:15:59.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:00.687000+08:00","text":"他要的是點閱率，他要的是瀏覽率，他要的是因為流量而產生出來的利潤。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:20.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:26.475000+08:00","text":"在這個利益架構裡面，我們兒少的權益跟兒少不能被犧牲掉啊！對。所以……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:27.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:29.057000+08:00","text":"所以你要做得更多。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:29.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:30.418000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要跟你講這個？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:30.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:51.387000+08:00","text":"你剛剛跟我講iWIN，我去調了一下你們的數字，剛剛我在講大量來襲、氾濫，我用「氾濫」兩個字的時候，你知道你們iWIN的處理案件，我去調了你們統計的報表，113年度跟114年度比較起來，竟然是越來越少耶！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:51.387000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:52.387000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:51.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:52.267000+08:00","text":"113年度有六千多件……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:52.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:16:53.027000+08:00","text":"113年是有2個特別個案。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:16:58.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:11.535000+08:00","text":"114年度剩下兩千多件，一個年度就少了4,000件，所以我要稱讚NCC太勇於任事，所以大量地消除了這些……沒有。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:11.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:30.182000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，113年是有2個重大的爭議個案，一個是日本動漫，是涉及限制級的動漫，那一塊的申訴量是海量灌進來的；另外一件是有地方政府處理幼兒園狼師的相關事件。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:31.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:36.745000+08:00","text":"其實過去10年，iWIN每年平均大概3,000件左右。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:37.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:40.846000+08:00","text":"回到剛剛跟委員報告有關事前的部分，我們也會找……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:41.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:42.347000+08:00","text":"一年差不多3,000件？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:42.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:45.148000+08:00","text":"為什麼我看到的統計報表就不是3,000件？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:45.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:46.148000+08:00","text":"113年有特別的個案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:45.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:45.988000+08:00","text":"你的數字是從哪裡來的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:46.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:48.249000+08:00","text":"過往就是三千多，113年就是剛剛跟委員報告，那年有2個特別重大事件，那個申訴量特別大。","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:48.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:49.850000+08:00","text":"114年是2,184件，也沒有你講的三千多件啊！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:17:49.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:17:51.471000+08:00","text":"我是說10年平均下來，所以意思是iWIN處理得越來越好……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:04.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:22.431000+08:00","text":"你說10年平均下來，我現在跟你講，我們的網路世界是無遠弗屆，每一年AI生成的影片越來越多，而且現在叫做氾濫的數量，你告訴我，你的iWIN處理案件卻可以減少到這麼少？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:22.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:24.371000+08:00","text":"沒有，這幾乎是iWIN……","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:24.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:26.332000+08:00","text":"這違背了我們的常理啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:26.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:42.715000+08:00","text":"就是iWIN有同步在做，它的平臺社群守則其實也有在精進且配合新AI技術的引入等等，其實這社群守則也有在強化。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:42.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:46.316000+08:00","text":"我只是希望你不要那麼被動啦！是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:49.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:54.881000+08:00","text":"因為我不相信這個數字，這個數字顯示出你們NCC就是被動啦！","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:54.881000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:56.923000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們都持續……","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:56.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:18:59.585000+08:00","text":"至於衛生福利部到底有沒有主動？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:18:59.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:01.106000+08:00","text":"我會去問衛生福利部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:01.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:23.083000+08:00","text":"但是NCC作為網路監理的獨立機關，我們對兒少保護是不分部會，是政府的職責，甚至是社會的共識，我相信你如果主動來為兒少保護做網路監理的話，很多人都會給你鼓掌、給你掌聲啦！是。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:23.083000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:24.244000+08:00","text":"我們會繼續努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:24.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:40.936000+08:00","text":"而且兒少法有明定，只要網際網路內容有害兒童及少年身心健康或違反前項規定等等，應為限制兒童及少年接取、瀏覽之措施或先行移除。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:40.936000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:41.936000+08:00","text":"我們針對這部分都有持續在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:41.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:43.237000+08:00","text":"這個你們有持續在做，但是我們看到的數字卻讓我們覺得擔憂啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:43.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:19:43.297000+08:00","text":"擔憂什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:19:43.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:03.071000+08:00","text":"在現在AI生成影片氾濫的時代，結果你們的統計數字卻告訴我們政府的作為是有限的，因為這個數字看起來你們是沒有積極的。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:03.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:03.511000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，我們不會以數據來僵化我們自己的態度，我們能夠持續跟iWIN來處理……","quality":0.371},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:03.511000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:13.204333+08:00","text":"這個iWIN是剛剛你自己跟我講的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:13.204333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:22.897667+08:00","text":"每次我問到兒少保護、網路上對兒少保護議題的時候，你就跟我舉例子，說我們有iWIN。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:22.897667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:32.591000+08:00","text":"我當然知道有iWIN，我要看你們：第一個，數據；第二個，你們的積極作為；第三個，iWIN的績效。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:32.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:34.952000+08:00","text":"看出來是不積極的啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:34.952000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:35.952000+08:00","text":"有，我們有帶動宣導，聯絡簿也好……","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:35.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:39.455000+08:00","text":"我沒有時間了，我再拜託你，好不好？好。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:40.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:20:59.815000+08:00","text":"每一次只要你來，我都會針對這件事情，因為我也是身為家長，而且我相信這是社會的共識，保護兒少不分你我，政府各個部門都應該要做，所以iWIN既然有這個機制了，可不可以讓它更積極、更有效率，而且更讓國人信任，好不好？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:20:59.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:21:00.898000+08:00","text":"好，我們會繼續努力，謝謝委員。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-03-25T10:21:00.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:21:00.898000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席（林委員俊憲代）","start":"2026-03-25T10:21:01.398000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:21:04.255143+08:00","text":"謝謝何欣純委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（林委員俊憲代）","start":"2026-03-25T10:21:04.555143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:21:08.555143+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請黃健豪召委發言。","quality":0.214}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}