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謝謝再來工作報告裡面有關於協志企業請回座林市長因應中東戰事的衝擊啊"},{"start":260.768,"end":284.034,"text":"那中東戰軍對於國內石化顏料及下游產品的影響非常大部長我有看過你報告但是你的報告到底是不是真的能解決問題昨天我高鐵站碰到一個苗栗鄉親他是做酒精的那個塑膠罐他說現在買不到顏料工廠都不報價"},{"start":285.883,"end":297.925,"text":"現在民進一帝,多一帝高帝,你告訴我頭就痛,你有沒有什麼解決的方案?真的都不報價,你不要報告寫得很好,確實大的廠商都不報價,"},{"start":299.897,"end":324.604,"text":"我們產業署的同仁事實上都有依依跟這些上游廠商聯絡啦那他們是說供應量還是會持續供應啦也許會少量供應會減少一點點啦不是減少一點點不報價的就是不供給了啦他說要等到失業中期啦現在只會用庫存他們都在擔心啦如果真的是不報價不報價等於不供應啦"},{"start":326.656,"end":352.216,"text":"委員如果有這個特別案例的話,讓我們知道,我們來協調因為我們還是多方面去問嘛但是怕是掛一漏萬,掛漏萬一的話,讓我們知道這個信息我就直接打電話給你囉,你要幫我協調這個問題我回去跟他們講,我希望他們能解決對,我們可以協調好,署長請回座那台電終於有兩個爛兄爛弟"},{"start":360.779,"end":362.601,"text":"部長,現在大家最怕斷氣,你覺得會不會斷氣?絕對不會"},{"start":368.022,"end":391.684,"text":"絕對不會應該不會不會不會很有自信非常有自信那我們大總統講我們天然氣存料已經有14天我們的食油存料有110天煤油存料我們有40幾天那現在核二核三要重新啟動對不對"},{"start":395.321,"end":411.329,"text":"現在自主安全檢查當中我現在想不到一個問題,我們的總統報告說20320以前台灣不缺電,即使用不到核電,現在突然要啟動這個核電是怎樣?真正的原因到底是什麼?"},{"start":413.007,"end":439.93,"text":"執政的原因是因為大院那個核安法修正以後讓台電公司有這樣的法律意義你們一切都不肯什麼現在肯我是支持核電要重啟的喔好我先聲明這一點但是你們講的原因道理讓我覺得莫名其妙你們的繩子牌勾到很丟丟沒有啦啊真的啊 那個郭部長我跟你講我說你亂講你的繩子牌要把它毀掉我跟你講你部長要下台啊"},{"start":441.58,"end":442.869,"text":"報告委員因為以前的"},{"start":444.332,"end":470.344,"text":"核安法就規定嘛只能運轉40年,40年就不能再延但是現在因為法律的修正以後核電要起來真的也是有必要的我只能暗示你們這樣我看你們要啟動核電大概跟這個會稍微有關係啦我是用想的才想我現在再問你,再跟你請教核二核三重新啟動要花多少錢"},{"start":471.972,"end":497.278,"text":"多少錢現在還沒有辦法完全知道因為他要看自主安全檢查的過程當中那些設備老化的狀況有沒有要更換如果不行要更換那這個錢就要重新算所以現在 陳董事長你台電虧那麼多了現在核二核三又起了你這個錢出得了嗎還是再多不醜錢越多越好我越不怕"},{"start":498.71,"end":502.599,"text":"你大概要預計如果合二合三啟動要花多少錢"},{"start":504.199,"end":528.867,"text":"所以剛剛提到的還是要看這個過程才知道我看啦也沒有花上錢以上大概也解決不了所以這筆錢台電虧了那麼多都是政策上的犧牲票啊終於會很可憐你去高價買了那麼多五六條船七八條船一條船虧了那麼多"},{"start":530.707,"end":549.585,"text":"從台電跟他要一些回來啊還是全部你們吸收我說你們兩個虧錢啊兩個互相掩護啊連連虧那賺錢不是這樣賺的啊沒有中東戰士的話這兩家公司今年理論上這兩家很可憐的董事長啊"},{"start":550.785,"end":572.752,"text":"部長你要好好疼惜他,都是為了你們啦我是講真的,本來人才很多,尤其你啟動那個河河山我們以前的河邊人才都被韓國人洗走了我們那段天下來都被洗走了我告訴你,看你的報告,所以這是全都的政策"},{"start":574.092,"end":591.231,"text":"備而不用嘛隨時要準備有可能突然的事情發生現在在做不為晚兩個董事長要好好把天秀起來反正他們也虧錢啊但是虧錢都為你們我在講都是為了政策的錯誤謝謝好我們謝謝陳昌明委員接下來"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:49+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:50+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:49.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:49.657000+08:00","text":"首先有請龔部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:49.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:49.897000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:49.897000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:12.800000+08:00","text":"陳委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:12.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:17.123000+08:00","text":"好，龔部長，現在不是早安，快到中午了，謝謝你。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:17.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:18.123000+08:00","text":"是不早了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:17.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:47.182000+08:00","text":"我今天仔細看了部長的業務報告，寫得非常清楚、非常明細，真的是可以看的一個業務報告，尤其現在經濟發展階段，臺灣很幸運，剛好抓到AI的機會，但是我們又面臨了一個問題，就是今天我首先要請教你關於水的問題，麻煩水利署林署長。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:48.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:59.806000+08:00","text":"報告中提到，因應極端氣候，推動新治水、新供水、降漏水，這裡面談到一個問題，今年的冬季雨量是75年來最少的，尤其是新竹寶山水庫寶一水庫現在的蓄水量降到23%、24%左右，新竹縣的隔壁就是苗栗縣，以前百年乾旱，我被你們弄得灰頭土臉，我們苗栗水庫最多，結果我們是減壓供水，還要隔天輪供，現在苗栗縣永和山蓄水率是40.69%，明德水庫33.6%、鯉魚潭水庫30.7%，鯉魚潭水庫主要是供應給臺中，苗栗用的其實不多，我現在很擔心的是百年乾旱又要來了，依照這個蓄水率，你們應該提早準備，我不希望再發生像百年乾旱一樣的事情，屆時會被民眾罵到臭頭！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:59.806000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:01.928000+08:00","text":"你的看法如何？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:01.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:06.552000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能百年乾旱再來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:06.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:08.373000+08:00","text":"報告委員，你掌握得非常好、很精準……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:09.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:12.296000+08:00","text":"我不是掌握得好，我是被人家罵到怕了啦！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:12.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:13.356000+08:00","text":"我跟你講！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:13.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:18.660000+08:00","text":"永和山水庫目前的蓄水量確實比往年稍微差一點……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:18.660000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:20.041000+08:00","text":"因為你們在南庄截水進去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:20.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:38.394000+08:00","text":"但是它比百年乾旱時還好很多，事實上，我跟委員報告，我們每天都有掌控水情，它一天大概少十幾萬噸，約13至15萬噸，這個部分我們都有掌握，我們也有評估它未來的趨勢，我認為苗栗沒有大問題……","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:38.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:39.875000+08:00","text":"我相信不會有問題啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:41.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:42.156000+08:00","text":"但是鯉魚潭現在偏低……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:43.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:46.337000+08:00","text":"現在是看到新竹縣就想到苗栗縣，兩個隔壁而已，情況一樣。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:47.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:49.458000+08:00","text":"特別跟委員報告一件很重要的事……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:49.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:52.579000+08:00","text":"你們會不會停灌休耕，還是休耕時停灌？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:52.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:53.619000+08:00","text":"你要準備這些喔，會不會？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:53.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:15.992000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，其實我們調度最關鍵的精神，就是如果本區不足，我們不會做跨區供應，像現在苗栗每天供應到新竹有5.5萬噸，假設永和山將來越來越枯旱，我們就會停止供應，這是第一個要務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:16.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:24.380000+08:00","text":"以目前來看，永和山在6月底前應該沒有大問題，我們都持續掌控中，沒有太大問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:24.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:25.100000+08:00","text":"6月底以前希望沒有問題。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:26.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:27.603000+08:00","text":"我們是以6月底來繼續管控。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:27.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:28.603000+08:00","text":"我不是說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:28.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:29.603000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:29.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:30.603000+08:00","text":"還有苑裡那邊，你不要跟我說……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:28.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:46.637000+08:00","text":"當然，當然，確實鯉魚潭水庫的狀況偏差，所以昨天臺中已經改成綠燈，就是因為鯉魚潭水庫稍微趨緊，這個我們都持續掌控。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:47.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:52.119000+08:00","text":"我每次都跟你們在賭，賭天氣會不會下雨，賭贏2次，輸了3次……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:52.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:56.821000+08:00","text":"不過4月初到4月中旬有兩波降雨，我們再期待。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:56.821000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:57.821000+08:00","text":"這個稍微注意一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:57.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:00.363000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:00.363000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:01.363000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，林署長請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:00.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:23.271000+08:00","text":"再來，業務報告裡有關於協助企業部分，因應中東戰事衝擊，對國內石化原料及下游產品影響非常大，部長，我看過你的報告，但是你的報告到底是不是真的能解決問題？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:23.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:39.131000+08:00","text":"昨天我在高鐵站碰到一個苗栗鄉親，他是做酒精塑膠罐的，他說現在買不到原料，工廠都不報價，這讓他頭很痛。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:40.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:41.535000+08:00","text":"請問部長，你有沒有什麼解決方案？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:42.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:42.657000+08:00","text":"真的喔！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:42.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:46.925000+08:00","text":"都不報價了，你不要報告寫得很好，但確實大廠商都不報價了。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:48.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:01.641000+08:00","text":"事實上，我們產業署同仁都有一一跟這些上游廠商聯絡，他們說還是會持續供應，也許會少量供應，減少一點點，但是還是會……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:01.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:05.382000+08:00","text":"不是減少一點點，不報價的就是不供給了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:06.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:13.584000+08:00","text":"他說要等到4月中旬，現在只能用庫存，他們也都很擔心，真的是不報價，不報價等於不供應啊！","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:15.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:29.847000+08:00","text":"委員，如果有這個特別的案例，請讓我們知道，我們來協調，因為我們是有多方面詢問，但就怕掛一漏萬，所以請讓我們知道這個訊息……","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:29.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:34.130000+08:00","text":"那我就直接打電話給你，你要幫我協調。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:34.130000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:35.130000+08:00","text":"可以，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:34.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:37.493000+08:00","text":"好，這個問題我回去跟他們講，希望能夠解決。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:37.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:38.394000+08:00","text":"對，我們可以協調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:39.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:41.196000+08:00","text":"再來，請台電、中油兩個難兄難弟。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:49.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:51.581000+08:00","text":"部長，現在大家最怕斷氣，你覺得會不會斷氣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:51.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:58.103000+08:00","text":"絕對不會，絕對不會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:58.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:58.464000+08:00","text":"應該不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:58.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.085000+08:00","text":"不會，不會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.666000+08:00","text":"很有自信？嗯！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:01.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:02.407000+08:00","text":"非常有自信。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:04.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:20.684000+08:00","text":"賴總統說我們的天然氣儲量已經有14天，石油儲量有110天，煤油存量有四十幾天，現在核二、核三要重新啟動，對不對？","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:24.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:27.543000+08:00","text":"現在在自主安全檢查當中。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:27.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:38.788000+08:00","text":"但是我想不通一個問題，總統報告說2032年以前臺灣不缺電，其實是用不到核電，現在又突然說要啟動核電，是怎樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:38.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:40.329000+08:00","text":"真正的原因到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:42.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:49.673000+08:00","text":"真正的原因是大院核管法修正以後，讓台電公司有這樣的法律依據……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:49.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:51.375000+08:00","text":"你們以前都不肯，怎麼現在肯？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:51.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:00.002000+08:00","text":"我是支持核電重啟的，我先聲明這一點，但你們講的原因、道理讓我覺得莫名其妙，你們那個「神主牌」顧得這麼緊……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:01.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:01.563000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！上次……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員超明：我跟郭部長說","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:04.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:08.690000+08:00","text":"你亂講，你要把「神主牌」毀掉，你這個部長就要下臺了！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:10.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:17.694000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為以前核管法的規定只能運轉40年，40年就不能再延……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:17.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:18.694000+08:00","text":"要小心啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:17.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:20.795000+08:00","text":"但是現在因為法律修正以後……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:20.795000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:21.795000+08:00","text":"兩岸的關係很緊張啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:21.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:31.580000+08:00","text":"核電要啟動，真的也是有必要，我只能暗示你們這樣，我看你們要啟動核電大概跟這個也稍微有關係，我是用猜想的。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:33.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:39.344000+08:00","text":"我再請教你，核二、核三重新啟動要花多少錢？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:40.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:55.195000+08:00","text":"多少錢現在還沒有辦法完全知道，因為要看自主安全檢查的過程當中那些設備老化的狀況，有沒有要更換，如果不行了要更換，這個錢就要重新算，所以現在……","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:56.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:03.057000+08:00","text":"曾董事長，台電虧那麼多錢，現在核二、核三要重啟，這個錢你出得來嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:03.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:06.258000+08:00","text":"還是債多不愁，欠越多越好、越不怕？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:07.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:11.599000+08:00","text":"如果核二、核三重新啟動，你預計大概要花多少錢？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:13.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:16.700000+08:00","text":"就像剛剛提到的，還是要看這個過程才知道。嗯！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:18.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:28.064000+08:00","text":"我看沒有花上千億以上，大概也解決不了，這筆錢讓台電虧那麼多，都是政策上的犧牲品。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:30.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:43.351000+08:00","text":"中油也很可憐，用高價買了那麼多，五、六條船，七、八條船，一條船虧了那麼多，你們是要從台電那邊要一些回來，還是全部你們吸收？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:44.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:51.518000+08:00","text":"你們兩個都虧錢，又要互相掩護，年年虧損，錢不是這樣賺的，這樣不行啦！","quality":0.621},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:51.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:57.124000+08:00","text":"假如沒有中東戰事，這兩家公司今年理論上……啊！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:57.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:02.466000+08:00","text":"這兩家的董事長很可憐，部長，你要好好疼惜他們，都是為了你們啦！是、是。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:03.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:17.210000+08:00","text":"我是講真的，本來人才很多，尤其現在要重新啟動核二、核三，我們以前的核電人才都被韓國吸走了，那一段停下的時間，人才都被吸走了。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:17.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:18.210000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:18.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:19.210000+08:00","text":"剛剛董事長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:18.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:21.732000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，我有看過一個報告，這就是冤枉的政策！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:23.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:23.853000+08:00","text":"備而不用嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:25.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:37.909000+08:00","text":"隨時要準備，因為可能突然會有事情發生，現在再來做也不晚，你要好好疼惜兩位董事長，雖然他們都虧錢，但虧錢也都是為你們，都是為了政策的錯誤，謝謝。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:37.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:40.031000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝陳超明委員。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:40.531000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:44.245286+08:00","text":"接下來請賴瑞隆委員質詢，謝謝。","quality":0.231}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}