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舊技術是用簡訊來做身份驗證以現在科技的發展有沒有可能透過新的數位技術來做防止被詐騙的"},{"start":546.322,"end":566.613,"text":"今年巴塞隆納MWC的Demo裡頭大概也有一些新的廠商有提出一些新的方式這些我們大概都還在觀察當中但是這個技術其實在全世界相關的產業生態裡頭大概國際大廠也有在投入我們希望說如果"},{"start":569.274,"end":595.003,"text":"社會產業界大家都有公司認為可行的話那未來我相信這個有這個需求市場有這個需求產品或等等功能上都符合的話我相信我們應該會來協同業者來引入處理我想現在很多的科技公司啊真的人才很多所以可能他們也有很多新的一個技術的一個研發那我們也希望NCC就這部分可以跟產業界可以多做一些交流"},{"start":595.956,"end":613.909,"text":"吸取一些更好的一個經驗跟技術來針對有關這個身份證驗證的這個部分能夠更精進的一個方案來做這個詐騙的源頭的一個賭詐這樣子是 假如有意義打架我們都會來全力來協助配合好 謝謝主委謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:27.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.652000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請主席邀請陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.752000+08:00","text":"請陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:29.752000+08:00","text":"陳委員午安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:29.052000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:29.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:31.194000+08:00","text":"人工智慧崛起以及迅速發展，其實正全面地改變全球的產業以及數位生態，也造成很大的衝擊。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:31.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:27.646000+08:00","text":"就NCC所監管的廣電媒體來看，我們也看到曾經有生成式AI製造假新聞，要來干擾當時美國總統的選舉，我們也看到曾經有新聞媒體誤用了AI生成的影片來報導新聞，所以就這個部分，我想請教一下代理主委，AI生成的影片到底能不能運用到新聞報導裡面？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:29.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:41.756000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，對於AI生成的影片，我們是有要求業者一定要做適當的標示，剛剛提到某一家報導緬甸地震，我們也有做相應的處理。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:42.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:02.232000+08:00","text":"至於說先前我們有委託法人來研議廣電媒體運用AI的指引，目前也大致告一段落，過程裡頭透過專業人士的研議，然後我們會內找專家學者討論，也跟業者溝通過了。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:02.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:28.925000+08:00","text":"目前最新的指引的重點有幾個部分，第一個部分就是要落實保障人權、公平性、沒有偏見；另外就是要有內容查核的機制；第三個就是要揭露AI生成標示，就是剛剛前面提到的；最重要的是，要以事實為依據，所以要落實法遵，不可以說因為是用AI，然後相關的就沒有在處理。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:30.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:52.921000+08:00","text":"業者這邊我們跟他溝通過，他們也希望能夠bottom-up，從業者的角度，他們大概也會生出自己的AI運用綱要、指引，就跟當初我們請業者做事實查證的一些指引一樣。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:53.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:11.311000+08:00","text":"目前的情況是，NCC的部分有一個版本，我們後續會持續再優化，至於業者的部分，經過我們兩次找他們來討論之後，他們近期開始要研擬自己的版本，以上跟委員補充。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:12.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:13.953000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝陳代理主委的說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:14.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:37.139000+08:00","text":"因為我們看到在2023年5月24日的時候，NCC事實上就已經有說明要研議廣電媒體AI使用指引，在2025年4月2日的時候也有說明，預計會在當年的第三季推出AI使用指引，應該就是2025年的9月份，第三季嘛！","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:37.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:48.745000+08:00","text":"那現在已經是2026年3月了，又過了6個月，所以剛剛主委說明的進度，你們是委託資策會，是不是？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:49.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:51.226000+08:00","text":"對，資策會。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:51.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.097000+08:00","text":"來撰寫AI應用指引的初稿，這個初稿剛剛聽你的說明，事實上都是一個原則性的方向，可是我們得到訊息是說業者是有意見的，是反對的，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.437000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:30.706000+08:00","text":"剛剛跟委員報告說我們兩次找業者來溝通這個指引的內容，跟他們交流意見，他們認為有些部分從媒體生產方的角度，他們覺得強調的重點可能會以他們的角度適當地調整，所以剛剛跟委員報告說業者也會提出他們自己bottom-up的版本。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:31.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:57.746000+08:00","text":"至於我們NCC的官版，從委託資策會以來都是持續在優化，目前的進度大概就是說，從委託資策會到現在，找外面專家學者溝通、優化，再找廣電業者來協調溝通的優化版本，其實現在已經到達這種程度，未來業者本身也會提出自己的版本。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:58.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:58.906000+08:00","text":"還要多久的時間？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:59.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:11.191000+08:00","text":"我們的版本優化差不多告一段落，後續業者的版本，我們當然期待他是越快越好啦！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:11.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:13.433000+08:00","text":"我們後續還是會跟他保持密切互動。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:13.433000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:14.433000+08:00","text":"業者的版本還要等多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:13.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:21.642000+08:00","text":"你們的版本出來之後，還要跟業者的版本再融合嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:21.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:37.038000+08:00","text":"不必然，因為就跟早期事實查證原則一樣，我們NCC也有提出版本，像衛星公會還有公視也有自己的版本，還有無線媒體、電視學會也有自己的版本，大概是這樣子。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:37.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:01.508000+08:00","text":"就是一個法人團體，他們自己的會員有一個follow版本，再對照我們NCC的版本，大致都是，因為這個版本其實是一個行政指導的事項，並非強制法遵，但是我們會希望訂了這個指引，NCC的官版也好，業者自己訂的也好，我們希望都能夠來落實執行。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:03.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:16.694000+08:00","text":"是，因為現在AI的運用越來越普及，AI生成影像的技術是越來越精進，真的是真假難辨。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:18.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:43.264000+08:00","text":"當然我們也沒有辦法一味地去禁止、禁用AI的影像，所以在廣電媒體的運用上，我們希望NCC這邊要訂好這個指引的原則，讓業者有一個遵循的方向，我想這對於整個廣電媒體業者的發展也是好的，對於監理機關在這方面的監管應該也是有所依循啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:43.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:49.546000+08:00","text":"我想這個部分，所謂的AI指引應該不會有裁罰的一個延伸吧？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:49.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:52.166000+08:00","text":"是的，因為它算是行政指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:52.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:52.666000+08:00","text":"行政指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:52.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:34:54.747000+08:00","text":"算是軟法，軟法就是行政指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:34:55.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:11.526000+08:00","text":"對，所以如果沒有裁罰的疑慮，我想這個部分也是要請NCC儘快跟業者做好溝通，然後趕快讓這個AI的應用指引可以確定下來。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:11.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:16.590000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，因為這個是發展中的科技，其實大家都是滾動式調整。是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:19.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:46.305000+08:00","text":"接下來本席想請教一下有關詐騙的議題，我們看到內政部警政署刑事警察局在114年6月的時候曾經發布了一則新聞，提醒民眾在提交OTP碼的時候要小心，因為曾經有很多的案例就是民眾受到誘導，提交了OTP碼之後就被盜刷或者是被盜領一空。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:49.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:35:52.727000+08:00","text":"NCC在這個部分有沒有什麼精進的方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:35:53.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:36:02.511000+08:00","text":"就是針對身分驗證的技術可以更加地精進，從詐騙的源頭堵詐。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:36:02.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:36:53.085000+08:00","text":"是，委員講到重點，我們都是從源頭，過往有很多司法警察機關發現他是用人頭去申請門號，然後再去跟數位平臺申請帳號，這些年來我們透過機關協力，包括透過高檢署等等，然後通知相關平臺的主管機關停止數位平臺的帳號，其實這幾年下來，我們大概有18萬左右的門號對應這個數位平臺的一些帳號被砍掉，比方說LINE就砍掉了七點多萬，還有一些像海關的EZ WAY app等等相關的處理，總共砍掉了9.6萬個數位平臺的帳號。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:36:53.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:37:05.414000+08:00","text":"未來這個OTP的驗證部分，從NCC現在的一些技術演進，我們會從源頭端的電信門號申請要落實KYC這邊持續加強處理。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:37:07.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:37:10.909000+08:00","text":"是，有關身分的驗證，舊技術是用簡訊來做身分驗證嘛！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:37:10.909000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:37:11.909000+08:00","text":"對，目前OTP是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:37:10.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:37:15.532000+08:00","text":"以現在科技的發展，有沒有可能透過新的數位技術來防止被詐騙？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:37:29.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:37:41.969000+08:00","text":"今年在巴塞隆納MWC的demo裡頭，也有一些新的廠商有提出新的方式，這些我們都還在觀察當中。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:37:43.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:06.099000+08:00","text":"這個技術其實在全世界相關的產業生態裡頭，國際大廠也有在投入，如果社會、產業界大家都有共識，認為這個可行的話，未來市場有這個需求，產品或等等，在功能上都符合的話，我們應該會協同業者引入處理。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:07.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:30.444000+08:00","text":"是，現在很多的科技公司真的人才很多，可能他們也有很多新技術的研發，所以我們希望NCC就這個部分可以跟產業界多做一些交流，吸取更好的經驗跟技術，然後針對身分的驗證能夠有更精進的方案來做詐騙源頭的堵詐。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:31.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:35.688000+08:00","text":"是，只要有益於打詐的，我們都會全力來協助配合。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:36.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:36.849000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:36.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:36.909000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:37.409000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:42.551857+08:00","text":"謝謝陳素月委員的發言，也謝謝陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:38:42.851857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:38:45.994714+08:00","text":"接下來請許智傑委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}