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現在的處置方式嘛 對不對現在的處置方式 我講的是現在現在的狀況是這樣啦齁你現在都擺在燃料池裡面 如果這個是一個大家都可以接受現在全世界都有很多擺放的方法 我們都理解啦我現在講的是現在 好不好好 那我想啦 這個最後我還是要提醒部長啦 這個"},{"start":413.428,"end":438.473,"text":"開燈關燈不要一直開開關關核電廠更不應該如此啦所以我也希望喔這個接下來的這個推進啦應該要照剛剛所講的分階段進行而且要趕快希望能夠有具體的時程不要真的拖到了我們的AI產業的發展這個現在這是全民共同的期盼可以嗎 部長了解了解好 謝謝好 謝謝耿君委員 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:11:26.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:11:51.839000+08:00","text":"好，我們讓龔部長稍微喘口氣，辛苦了。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:11:54.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:11:55.095000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:11:56.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:11:56.679000+08:00","text":"有請龔部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:11:56.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:11:56.839000+08:00","text":"有請龔部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:11:56.839000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:12:06.696000+08:00","text":"葛委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:12:06.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:12:06.977000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:12:08.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:12:18.321000+08:00","text":"隨著賴總統21日表示核二、核三具備重啟運轉條件，我想這個都是大家一起的努力，也不用特別感謝誰。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:12:18.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:12:33.248000+08:00","text":"台電也已經在準備重啟程序，預計3月底要將重啟計畫送核安會審議，在這裡，我想跟大家同步一下，其實根據核管法第十六條跟第十六條之一，事實上重啟計畫有兩個要件，第一個是再運轉計畫項目，這個是大家現在比較多討論的，但是事實上還有一個是自主安全檢查要給核安會。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:12:45.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:12:53.140000+08:00","text":"說到自主安全評估，我想部長你應該非常清楚，裡面有非常多項目，比如說老化評估、輻射評估、耐震評估等等。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:12:54.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:17.899000+08:00","text":"上週台電有來教文委員會報告，說以核三廠為例，針對涉及原廠智財權的技術評估和分析，美國西屋公司已經在今年2月開展相關工作，當然，從我們的立場是前年、大前年都應該可以趕快展開，但沒關係，現在展開了，那其他的部分則是由工研院跟國原院共組團隊來評估。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:18.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:23.508000+08:00","text":"請問一下部長，自主安全檢查的項目裡面有哪些需要原廠評估？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:23.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:24.810000+08:00","text":"哪些是不用的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:24.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:26.593000+08:00","text":"我們都列出來給您了，請您回覆。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:26.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:30.813500+08:00","text":"請董事長講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:30.813500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:35.034000+08:00","text":"簡要回覆。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:35.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:43.676000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員報告，主要是核島區跟西屋的IP有關的部分，委託給西屋來做。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:44.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:13:59.732000+08:00","text":"我們現在講第十六條，我們已經列出來給你了，老化評估、老化分析、終期安全分析、輻射相關議題、耐震評估及其他經主管機關指定文件，哪些是需要原廠評估？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:13:59.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:01.113000+08:00","text":"哪些不用原廠評估？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:01.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:22.150000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們的分界是項目，就是哪些設備，最主要是跟核島有關的事由它來做，當然最前面這幾項，尤其是核島區的老化分析、老化管理和時間老化分析等等，這個確實是最重要的一塊。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:22.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:24.372000+08:00","text":"所以一、二、三的部分比較跟原廠相關？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:24.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:25.572000+08:00","text":"核島的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:25.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:43.288000+08:00","text":"好，不管怎麼樣，自主安全檢查有很多項目，但運轉辦法第十六條之一有提到，經營者可以分階段送，也就是說，台電不用等到全部的自主安全檢查都完成，才能夠交給核安會，對嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:43.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:45.050000+08:00","text":"只要其中一項完成就可以提交。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:45.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:51.575000+08:00","text":"想請教一下部長，目前這個部分，部內或跟台電有沒有溝通怎麼規劃？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:51.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:56.879000+08:00","text":"是打算全部完成以後才繳交，還是單項完成就先交給核安會？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:14:56.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:14:59.441000+08:00","text":"我們要完成什麼就送什麼。很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:00.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:15:08.167000+08:00","text":"我本來也很擔心，擠在最後一起，其實會影響到時間，單項完成就繳，那很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:08.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:15:11.349000+08:00","text":"請問一下，針對各項有沒有依據的時間？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:11.349000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se,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:58.277000+08:00","text":"現在的處置方式，我講的是現在。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T12:17:59.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:04.421000+08:00","text":"現在的狀況是這樣，現在都擺在燃料池裡面，如果這個是一個大家都可以接受的……","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:04.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:09.724000+08:00","text":"現在全世界都有很多擺放的方法，我們都理解，我現在講的是現在，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:09.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:12.666000+08:00","text":"還有乾式貯存……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:12.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:39.712000+08:00","text":"最後我還是要提醒部長，開燈、關燈，不要一直開開關關，核電廠更不應該如此，所以我們也希望接下來的推進應該要照剛剛所講的分階段進行，而且要趕快，希望能夠有具體的時程，不要真的拖到了我們AI產業的發展，現在這是全民共同的期盼，可以嗎？部長。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:39.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:41.532000+08:00","text":"了解，了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:41.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:42.293000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:42.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:43.473000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝葛如鈞委員，謝謝部長跟曾董。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:18:43.973000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:18:47.687286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請劉建國委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}