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不能這樣算所以現在加快力度都最大量的一年才要開百億幾十億在那全力努力我們會一起來努力趕快把這個改善來部長跟署長拜託一下把屏東的自來水普及率列一個專案改善計畫好不好"},{"start":361.761,"end":369.689,"text":"優先來處理好不好第二個屏東縣今年的因為財政收支發放法總預算的關係減40幾億所以包含未來這個嚴管的補助應該要再強化一下好不好好謝謝謝謝委員再來謝謝這個部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:27.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:40:28.113000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請龔部長。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:28.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:40:32.902500+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:32.902500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:40:37.692000+08:00","text":"徐委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:37.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:40:38.253000+08:00","text":"部長，辛苦了！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:38.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:40:58.319000+08:00","text":"部長，歐洲最近提出了2040年要減碳90%的目標，這個不是只有環保議題，而且也是全球高科技供應鏈的一個門檻，臺灣作為一個出國導向的經濟體，如果跟不上這個標準，未來產品有可能連市場都進不去，部長有掌握這個狀況嗎？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:40:59.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:41:10.918000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以他們CBAM已經開始實施了，就是所有進口到歐洲的部分都要……如果沒有綠電的話，要課CBAM……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:41:11.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:41:14.680000+08:00","text":"所以綠電是很重要的一個環節。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:41:15.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:41:57.995000+08:00","text":"部長，根據我們目前調閱到的資料，臺灣今年1月份能源結構變化，核能已經歸零，相關的這些再生能源的部分都有持續精進，但是我還是要提醒部長三件事情，第一個，國際碳權的機制已經在成形，臺灣企業不能單打獨鬥；第二個，臺灣綠能政策長期的不明確，包含農電、漁電、離岸風電、地熱，這些東西很多都被卡關，剛剛聽到部長的回復，你們都有嘗試做很多的努力，但我想這個不能嘗試，我們一定要有一個明確的能源政策，部長認同嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:41:57.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:03.274000+08:00","text":"認同，我們有明確的政策在做推動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:03.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:10.983000+08:00","text":"但是對於這些綠能政策，包含農電、漁電還有相關的部分，跟農業部相關的部分有做進一步的討論嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:10.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:15.567000+08:00","text":"有，也謝謝行政院幫我們跨部會在協調當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:17.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:19.311000+08:00","text":"目前進度是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:19.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:20.613000+08:00","text":"有訂出明確的一些規範嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:22.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:37.673000+08:00","text":"對，因為上次推動光電三法以後，的確造成了一些開發商的疑慮，我們儘量跟農業部門協商，來處理這些，把不必要的疑慮去除掉。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:38.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:42:56.016000+08:00","text":"部長，我想是這樣子，因為過去有一些縣市地方發生一些狀況，造成我們公務人員的壓力，還有對於這些審查機制的趨嚴，針對不法，我們贊成要嚴辦。是的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:42:57.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:03.379000+08:00","text":"但對合法申請的業者，應該要努力輔導他們合法，才有電可以用，不能都這樣把它卡住，那是不對的啦！是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:08.673000+08:00","text":"好，所以要怎麼去輔導業者，部長有什麼看法？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:09.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:23.254000+08:00","text":"是，所以我剛才有提到，就是把一些不必要的疑慮做一些釐清，而且現在我們很多的標案基本上都有一個廉政平臺，讓法務單位、廉政單位可以一起參與……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:23.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:23.514000+08:00","text":"這個我支持啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:24.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:32.882000+08:00","text":"部長，但是因為你們現在跟農業部這些跨部會沒有一個更高階平臺的運作，各司其職，都各自為政，這要怎麼辦？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:36.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:46.296000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為我們現在跟農業部有雙次長的會議，在固定的時間，再上面有行政院的政務委員來幫我們溝通協調或秘書長幫我們溝通協調，所以……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:49.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:43:54.196000+08:00","text":"希望能夠加快來推動我們多元能源的部分。是。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:43:55.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:13.683000+08:00","text":"誠如剛剛吳思瑤委員講的，核能是我們多元能源的一環而已，不是必要，所以剛剛提到核二、核三廠的重啟，大家不要期待臺灣的電力問題在核三重啟之後就會解決，部長，這對我們恆春很不公平！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:44:13.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:14.683000+08:00","text":"是，了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:44:14.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:31.520000+08:00","text":"所以一樣，我們過去不管是賴總統也好，我想部長也提過核能安全還有社會共識跟核廢料的處理，才是我們未來要面對的一個方向，部長還是認同這個方向嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:44:31.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:36.084000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們三原則就是這三個部分，核安、核廢跟共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:44:36.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:48.710000+08:00","text":"好，曾董事長也在，董事長，目前這樣進度下去，你們都不要預設立場，什麼時候應該要有什麼樣的結果，我們交給專業，是不是應該這樣做？是的。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:44:50.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:44:58.334000+08:00","text":"好，那我再問一個更嚴重的問題，因為核三廠的所在地，很多鄉親擔心會不會以後變成核廢料的儲存廠？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:00.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:45:10.357000+08:00","text":"最終處置場那個地方，就我們現在所有核電廠的場址要做最終處置場，依照目前的規範，都不符合規範，要另外找。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:10.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:45:12.939000+08:00","text":"所以屏東沒有這個選項的考量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:13.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:45:14.681000+08:00","text":"它不會是最終處置場。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:15.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:45:17.363000+08:00","text":"好，不好意思，主席再給我1分鐘。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:19.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:45:53.147000+08:00","text":"部長，屏東縣的自來水普及率也是每次委員會我都會提到的問題，我們還是全國普及率最低的一個縣市，目前大概平均的普及率有73%，我想李董事長也很努力，但是依目前我們現有的能量，一年多3%，要追上我們其他的縣市真的是很遙遠的一條路，部長能不能加快速度，我們的鄉親一樣有納稅，一樣要享受自來水普及的權利？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T13:45:55.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:02.835000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們目前在自來水改善的所有經費裡面，大概有四成投入在屏東。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:02.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:04.395000+08:00","text":"因為過去是欠我們的，不能這樣算。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:04.395000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:06.336000+08:00","text":"會加快。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:06.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:14.679000+08:00","text":"現在加快力度到最大量，一年差不多花9億至10億，在那邊全力努力，我們會一起來努力，趕快把這個改善。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:14.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:19.361000+08:00","text":"好，部長跟署長拜託一下，把屏東的自來水普及率立一個專案改善計畫，好不好？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:20.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:22.203000+08:00","text":"優先來處理，好不好？好。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:22.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:27.808000+08:00","text":"第二個，屏東縣今年因為財政收支劃分法總預算的關係，減少了四十幾億，包含未來延管的補助，應該要再強化一下，好不好？謝謝。好。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:27.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:28.629000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:28.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:28.689000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員、謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:29.189000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:32.331857+08:00","text":"接下來請黃健豪委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}