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不然誰要來幫我做這個事情可以嗎"},{"start":301.943,"end":327.332,"text":"我們來思考一下跟委員報告因為我們台電有一些自己的規定的相關獎學金的辦法那這是我們現在法律上可以用的核貨端基金的管制真的非常嚴連他的支息等等都限制很多我想這樣子好不好台電公司還是去找其他合法合規的資金然後把這樣子的辦法請再通知這一個報告給這個黃委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:48.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:50.251000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，主席，我們一樣請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:50.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:50.391000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:50.391000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:59.088000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:59.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:46:59.308000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:46:59.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:47:14.875000+08:00","text":"時間有限，我們就把握時間，之前在總質詢的時候有跟部長提到過，因為臺美關稅的問題，未來我們預計美國車的零件進口也零關稅，當時在大會上面，我也跟部長討論過，我想知道這個進度有沒有更新？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:47:15.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:47:27.602000+08:00","text":"就是我們提出建議，我們也會提出相關的修法，我們希望除了美國車的零件進口零關稅之外，來自其他國家來源的汽車零組件進口，是不是也可以零關稅？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:47:27.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:47:59.043000+08:00","text":"因為之前臺灣區汽車公會也有來陳情，他們的車子不一定都是用美國零件，他可能從其他國家進口，美國零件從17.5%降到零，其他國家如果一樣維持原有關稅的話，對於臺灣這些國產車的組裝業者會有很大很大的衝擊，所以當時部長也回我，說大家以後可以多叫美國車的零件、美國的零件，我想這個競爭也不公平，所以要問經濟部的立場，願不願意支持未來從其他國家去進口的汽車零組件，也能夠往零關稅的方向邁進？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:01.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:10.423000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們之前就提案過了，然後送到大院，大院當時後來沒有通過，但是……","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:10.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:11.324000+08:00","text":"你的當時是什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:12.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:13.886000+08:00","text":"應該是幾年前吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:15.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:18.709000+08:00","text":"那時候還沒有臺美關稅，現在是有這個問題。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:18.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:39.110000+08:00","text":"對，是之前，那時候是希望當時的這些車輛在價格上可以分享給消費者，但是後來就沒有共識，但是我想這也是一個契機，如果有這樣的提案的話，我們也願意來跟財政部表達這樣的一個提案。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:39.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:48:55.880000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，我想汽車整車出來的價格多少錢是市場機制，但是我相信，你把零組件降低之後，大家成本降低，包含美國車如果整車進來，價錢也比過去低的話，這個市場會有波動、會有變動嘛。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:48:56.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:49:00.582000+08:00","text":"所以我們還說這個降了以後，希望可以回饋給消費者，我們希望這樣子。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:49:00.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:49:01.223000+08:00","text":"好，部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:49:01.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:49:43.494000+08:00","text":"接下來討論一個也是大家非常關心的核三重啟的這個議題，當然這源自於我們修了核管法第六條之後，最近開始有這個討論，但是我們要講一些很嚴肅的問題，就是人才的問題，就是現在清大已經沒有核工系了，大家早期認知的清大核工系其實已經不存在，它改名叫工程與系統科學系了，裡面的這些學生畢業之後，包含清大、交大這些學生畢業以後，很大部分的人才可能都流向科技業，我們現在正在評估要做所謂的核三重啟或是核後端的工作等等，我們的大學端、我們的人才培育庫人越來越少，甚至人才產生斷層，關於這件事情，經濟部要怎麼去處理人才不夠的問題？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:49:43.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:49:45.235000+08:00","text":"我們的工程師、專業人才都不見了，怎麼辦？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:49:47.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:50:13.963000+08:00","text":"因為就經濟部來講，台電公司會把所有的核子工程的人才都keep住在這邊，完全沒有讓他們離開，將來甚至還會再增加，完全沒有讓他們離開，甚至於將來還會再增加，我們當然也知道，國原院事實上也有很多的研究專家在那邊共同的……這個議題還是存在的。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:50:15.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:50:20.566000+08:00","text":"部長，這個問題是這樣，其實講白了，就是薪資待遇問題以及整個產業發展。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:50:22.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:50:40.397000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到的這些人才，臺灣今年當然有些契機改變了，但前幾年因為我們要推動所謂2025年非核家園的立場，所以很多人才畢業之後就不會往這個方向發展，而是畢業多年之後投向科技業、半導體產業，他賺了更多的錢。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:50:40.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:50:48.302000+08:00","text":"而我今天問的是，在你要把他請回來繼續投入核能相關產業的時候，你要用什麼樣的立場或是有什麼資金來源可以去處理這件事情？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:50:48.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:50:50.664000+08:00","text":"你有沒有這個規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:50:51.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:01.551000+08:00","text":"基本上，台電公司所有員工都有他的……比如台電的待遇說老實話也不錯，獎金的部分我們儘量來支持。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:03.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:05.431000+08:00","text":"當然待遇不錯，但是跟科技業不能比。是啦！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:05.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:09.176000+08:00","text":"我現在要講的是，我要提醒部長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:09.176000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:10.176000+08:00","text":"也是為國貢獻啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:09.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:10.658000+08:00","text":"我們現在有個核後端基金嘛！對。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:11.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:15.283000+08:00","text":"核後端基金能不能在人才培育上、待遇上提供更多的資源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:16.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:19.648000+08:00","text":"法律上可不可以我不曉得，好像法律上沒有這個項目。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:21.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:21.695000+08:00","text":"可以啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:21.695000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:23.737000+08:00","text":"管理辦法很嚴。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:23.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:24.117000+08:00","text":"董事長，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:24.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:28.261000+08:00","text":"除非那個管理辦法有修改，要不然現在是不能……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:28.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:42.333000+08:00","text":"我看核後端基金最新的數字有五千多億，我們還是希望後續要去處理相關人才的培養，包含你要去找國際人才來，應該要有一個資金、資本的支出，要不然誰要來幫我們做這個事情，可以嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:42.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:43.743000+08:00","text":"我們來思考一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:44.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:51:59.269000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為台電有一些自己規定的相關獎學金辦法，這是我們現在法律上可以用的，核後端基金的管制真的非常嚴，連其孳息等等都限制很多。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:51:59.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:52:00.269000+08:00","text":"我想這樣子好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:52:00.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:52:08.332000+08:00","text":"台電公司還是去找其他合法、合規的資金，然後把這樣子的辦法請再報告黃委員。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-03-25T13:52:08.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:52:08.332000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:52:08.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:52:13.689143+08:00","text":"陳培瑜委員、陳培瑜委員，陳培瑜委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:52:13.989143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:52:16.846286+08:00","text":"請盧縣一委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}