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我請也立案了好不好我也有立案因為現在很多消費者是習慣到這些大型的零售業者或賣場去採購相當很多的產品那這樣的行為已經發生過好幾次了"},{"start":361.275,"end":384.518,"text":"很多消費者他不見得知道他可能看出很便宜99塊買了但刷的時候他也沒有仔細看那個金額但是事實上有可能就是貴的金額了那我覺得這一塊要去約束不管你是不舒服的還甚至你是不實的都應該要更加的謹慎小心這也是在維護這個消費者權益也在維護整個市場同時今天也是在保護到這個店家的商譽啦"},{"start":384.718,"end":411.663,"text":"跟委員報告一下因為這個是涉及到產品標示的問題所以這也許也會涉及到部會之間執掌也請你們再去了解我想這樣的問題都應該去協助讓更確保這樣的事情不再發生另外商品來源有很多不實現在其實大家很多都利用電商來採購相當多的一些產品那像看到很多幾乎都是你以為是在台灣的製造或出貨事實上你在訂購的時候才發現原來是他從中國大陸那邊過來的"},{"start":412.723,"end":440.095,"text":"那我覺得這些都是涉及到不實的問題甚至有很多的產品的問題也本身都有問題所以來了以後品質是非常差的那等到你後面還要再脫外還是什麼的時候其實都有很多的困擾世界不那麼容易所以我也希望在跟公民軍這邊也跟這些電商的平台要把這些更確立起來如果你是台灣做的或台灣的就是台灣如果你是在其他的外中國大陸或其他國外的那也要標示清楚那讓消費者不要受到誤導我這也是"},{"start":442.236,"end":455.684,"text":"電商平台網路廣告我們都一直持續在監控那這個標示不實的部分是我們有處分過幾大案那這個案子有沒有這樣的案子有沒有立案在調查我們曾經有處罰過有處罰過那如果處罰過了還有這樣問題請你們要持續的再去要求再去處罰好不好如果還有這樣問題這不應該發生啦因為現在的電商越來越多這些消費的爭議這應該要確保消費者的權益是是"},{"start":468.311,"end":482.928,"text":"那其實韓國也有對於電商的相關不法來重罰那現在也有這個購屋的平台裡面開始的他把很多的一些免費補貼甚至於一些相關的讓賦予了"},{"start":483.869,"end":503.851,"text":"讓這些賣家有更大的一個壓力我覺得這個也都要請公平化去思考怎麼樣避免這樣的事情因為有些電商已經有越來越獨大甚至於他有市場上的一個效果獨大獨佔的一個效果如果我們不能夠有效確保買方跟賣方的權益的時候那可能電商會不斷去"},{"start":504.952,"end":522.689,"text":"去用更強力這個我也希望這件事情公平又要去了解也要去介入好不好不要讓獨大的電商去影響到整個不管是市場或者是消費者的一切權益有關電商的這一塊我目前都有持續在監控跟了解那甚至假設行為有檢舉有涉及到不法"},{"start":523.49,"end":546.649,"text":"我們都還要在公平法裡面去進行這個調查好這請主委再重申最後一個吼那個不動產的交易裡面其實有些的這個我也不知道他是標出來什麼一坪竟然只有0.04萬他應該是把整個總的全部我也希望像這樣的問題但不應該發生好不好如果有發生這樣的問題他不是一個不實我會有資料給你們如果這樣的不實的狀況還是要去"},{"start":548.01,"end":561.108,"text":"提醒他們那如果該開法就開法就是不應該讓這樣看起來總價感覺沒有什麼很大的但是他在評數單價上超便宜超低的這有可能會產生一定的問題如果具體事實我們就願意公平好謝謝主委辛苦了謝謝好謝謝賴榮榮委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:04:09.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:04:10.114000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請陳代理主委。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席（洪委員毓祥）","start":"2026-03-26T11:04:10.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:04:11.114000+08:00","text":"請代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:04:11.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:04:12.114000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:04:10.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:05:26.610000+08:00","text":"代理主委，我有看到你們有做了生成式人工智慧競爭法議題的聲明，我首先要肯定，代理主委上任也積極在做這樣的事情，這個對未來的臺灣也相當重要，AI、包括這些，都是未來全世界的趨勢，對臺灣也非常重要，但是有幾個部分我想要再跟代理主委這邊提醒，包括你很多的部分，事後管制的部分會遇到很多問題是已經發生了在後面的處理，所以這塊可能也希望公平會未來去思考，怎麼樣在事前能夠有一些預防措施，而不是到了事後，有些巨大的影響已經產生了之後，對市場已經造成影響之後，幾乎也是兩手一攤，無法解決，所以希望未來能夠再請代理主委思考，怎麼樣在前端的部分做一些處理，甚至於在變相併購的定義界定的部分，甚至於人才的部分，怎麼去做一個更清楚的界定，讓這件事情更明確。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:05:26.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:05:41.936000+08:00","text":"另外，臺灣也具有相當的潛力，未來本土的數據跟整個算力的相關部分要怎麼樣去做才能更有效，我們也希望未來的這一塊公平會有更多的一些方向跟前瞻性的一些做法，代理主委要不要回應一下？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:05:42.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:06:24.211000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝委員的肯定，委員提到的問題都是我們持續會去觀察跟精進的，在我們徵詢意見回收的部分，其實有兩個共識是所有回收意見都支持的，其中一個是目前的生成式AI、甚至整個AI還在發展的初期，背後的動態發展會怎麼樣其實很難預測，所以它強烈建議公平會在目前現階段採取低度介入的態度，這個就是為什麼我們還是只秉持一個比較事後來監管，但是並不表示我們就完全排除事前的一些做法，我們可能會去看看整個市場的演變，是不是已經達到很明顯的有巨頭在壟斷，也許某一種程度的事先介入是有必要的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:06:24.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:06:54.472000+08:00","text":"好，這個也跟主委提醒，當然我們面臨到更大的挑戰是我們面對中國對我們的影響，一個專制威權的國家對我們的影響，其他的不見得，民主國家還不至於遇到這個問題，但是一個威權國家發展其AI的過程，這塊我們必須要很謹慎，如果未來AI是國際上一個長遠的趨勢，也是臺灣未來一個重大的方向的話，那這一塊在未來思考的時候可能要提早來做一些因應，好不好？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:06:54.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:06:56.013000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:06:56.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:24.598000+08:00","text":"好，我們來看一下，全世界都在推動主權AI這一塊，剛剛也特別提到，因為我們跟中國包括語文都是用中文的，甚至於中國……我們過去也看到非常多例子，他們在他們的AI裡面有設定了很多特定的部分，未來要如何避免他對臺灣之間產生影響，我覺得這一塊也值得各部會，當然也包括公平會，要審慎去思考，這個也是我們未來要面對的一個課題，好不好？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:25.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:26.159000+08:00","text":"代理主委，這個也請回應一下。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:30.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:47.782000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我們在政策聲明裡面有特別談到，AI的競爭議題當然本會是主管機關，但是有很多大家關切的議題，未必是競爭可以去處理的，就像委員所談到要發展主權AI，這個比較偏向於國家的產業發展政策……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:48.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:50.345000+08:00","text":"對，我知道數發部或甚至經濟部有一些思考……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:50.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:50.785000+08:00","text":"對，這可能會有一些補貼、租稅等等各方面……","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:50.785000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:51.785000+08:00","text":"只是我覺得就公平會的角色上面，在你們可以的範圍內，應該跟數發部要有一些整體上思考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:51.785000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:52.785000+08:00","text":"我們跟數發部都有在密切的合作跟了解。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:07:51.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:07:54.247000+08:00","text":"接下來我請教一下，之前我也談過很多次了，蘋果稅的部分在2021年的時候也已經立案調查，這個部分主委有更新的一個進度嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:15.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:33.713000+08:00","text":"這個案子其實我們有送過委員會，委員會討論的結果是覺得有些點還必須要進一步調查，特別是最近又有幾個國家針對這個議題做出了一些裁處，我們覺得這些國家裁處的理由，我們必須要再進一步去了解一下，所以目前還在進一步的調查當中。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:34.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:40.876000+08:00","text":"因為已經過了三年了，這個部分可能儘快要有一些出來。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:40.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:41.656000+08:00","text":"是，我們會儘快，我們會儘快、趕快處理。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:43.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:45.778000+08:00","text":"代理主委，預定什麼時候可以有一個初步的出來？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:48.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:51.134000+08:00","text":"我們現在預定是大概6月。6月啦。對。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:51.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:52.614000+08:00","text":"就是上半年會出來？是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:52.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:08:56.636000+08:00","text":"我們希望有一個初步的出來，因為其他的國家也都已經有了相關的……是。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:08:57.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:00.098000+08:00","text":"這個也是確保我們相關的權益。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:00.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:01.719000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:01.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:42.909000+08:00","text":"再來我請教一下，其實很多的一些零售業者有出現了一些消費者爭議的問題，我舉個例子，像高大鮮乳兩罐的售價是……但是它在它的標示上面是特價99元，這個在消費者之間其實傳出很多的訊息，我也希望公平會能有更多適度去介入、去輔導、去了解，這些是否有涉及到相關不實的問題，甚至有些……是疏忽還是它是不實的，甚至是它行銷策略上的問題，這個恐怕也都需要更多的關心跟介入，才能避免去影響到消費者的權益。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:43.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:45.050000+08:00","text":"這部分我們都有密切在觀察……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:45.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:46.170000+08:00","text":"這個有立案了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:46.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:47.330000+08:00","text":"像這樣的案子有立案嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:47.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:47.871000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:48.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:09:49.891000+08:00","text":"我請你立案，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:09:50.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:10:08.103000+08:00","text":"我也有立案，因為現在很多消費者是習慣到這些大型的零售業者或賣場去採購相當多的產品，這樣的行為已經發生過好幾次了，很多消費者不見得知道，他可能看到99塊，覺得很便宜就買了，但刷的時候也沒有仔細看那個金額，但事實上有可能就是貴的金額了。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:10:08.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:10:23.498000+08:00","text":"我覺得這一塊要去約束，不管是疏忽的，甚至於是不實的，都應該要更加謹慎小心，這不只是在維護消費者的權益，也是在維護整個市場，同時也保護到店家的商譽。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:10:23.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:10:29.279000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，因為這個涉及到產品標示的問題，所以或許也會涉及到部會之間職掌……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:10:29.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:10:34.800000+08:00","text":"也請你們再去了解，我想這樣的問題都應該去協助，更確保這樣的事情不再發生，好不好？是。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:10:35.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:04.389000+08:00","text":"另外，商品來源也有很多不實的問題，現在其實大家很多都利用電商來採購相當多的產品，看到很多幾乎都以為是在臺灣製造或出貨，但事實上，在訂購的時候才發現原來是從中國大陸那邊過來的，我覺得這些都涉及到不實的問題，甚至於很多產品本身都有問題，所以來了以後發現品質是非常差的，等到後面還要再退貨還是什麼的，其實都有很多的困擾，甚至也不是那麼容易。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:05.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:19.015000+08:00","text":"我希望公平會也跟這些電商平臺要把這些更確立起來，如果是臺灣做的或臺灣的就是臺灣，如果是在中國大陸或其他國外的也要標示清楚，讓消費者不要受到誤導。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:19.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:28.460000+08:00","text":"我們都一直有持續監控電商平臺網路廣告，標示不實的部分我們有處分過幾個案子。","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:29.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:30.481000+08:00","text":"這樣的案子有沒有立案調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:30.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:31.102000+08:00","text":"我們曾經有處罰過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:31.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:31.202000+08:00","text":"有處罰過……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:31.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.202000+08:00","text":"有處分過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:31.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.703000+08:00","text":"如果處罰過了，還有這樣的問題，請你們要持續再去要求……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.703000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:33.703000+08:00","text":"我們會持續宣導。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.983000+08:00","text":"再持續處罰，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:32.983000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:33.983000+08:00","text":"對，不實廣告我們會持續宣導。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:33.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:11:34.604000+08:00","text":"如果還有這樣……這不應該發生，因為現在電商越來越多，這些消費爭議，應該要確保消費者的權益。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:11:47.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:12:29.297000+08:00","text":"其實韓國也有對於電商平台的不法重罰，現在也有購物平臺開始把很多的免費補貼，甚至於一些相關的部分，賦予了這些賣家有更大的壓力，我覺得這個也都要請公平會去思考怎麼避免這樣的事情，因為有些電商已經有越來越獨大，甚至於有市場上獨大、獨占的一個效果，如果我們不能夠有效確保買方跟賣方這些權益的時候，有可能電商會不斷去用更強力的……我也希望這件事情公平會要去了解，也要去介入，好不好？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:12:29.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:12:34.703000+08:00","text":"不要讓獨大的電商去影響到整個市場或消費者的權益。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:12:35.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:12:44.952000+08:00","text":"有，有關電商這一塊，我們目前都有持續在監控跟了解，甚至於假設行為有被檢舉、有涉及不法，我們都還會在公平法裡面去進行調查。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:12:45.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:12:46.173000+08:00","text":"好，這請主委要重視。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:12:46.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:00.805000+08:00","text":"最後，不動產的交易裡面其實有些……這個我也不知道是標錯還是什麼，一坪竟然只有0.04萬，它應該是把整個總的全部……我也希望像這樣的問題當然不應該發生，好不好？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:01.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:03.507000+08:00","text":"如果有發生這樣的問題，它是不是一個不實？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:03.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:07.932000+08:00","text":"我會後資料會給你們，如果有這樣的不實狀況，還是要去提醒他們。是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:08.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:18.105000+08:00","text":"如果該開罰就開罰，就是不應該……這樣看起來總價感覺沒有什麼很大的問題，但在坪數單價上是超便宜、超低，這有可能也會產生一定的誤導效果。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:18.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:19.567000+08:00","text":"如果有具體的事實，我們就會依公平法來調查。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:19.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:20.068000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，主委辛苦。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:20.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:20.108000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員，謝謝主委。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:20.608000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:23.179429+08:00","text":"陳超明、陳超明、陳超明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:13:23.479429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:13:26.622286+08:00","text":"接下來請李坤城委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}