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看分工一下請一位政委來協同書發部來做這個分工有沒有"},{"start":716.622,"end":740.822,"text":"就是國科會吳承維主委 吳承維政委 他就是在負責這個部分就麻煩一下嘛 加強一下嘛整合一下好不好 聯同民間了那另外的部分 院長這個有關於南科的發展跟未來南科市期的發展速度非常的快我們對產業界 對護國省 在台積電全面的開綠車 拿掉速限 我們都可以理解"},{"start":741.562,"end":757.236,"text":"昨天才通過這個台積電三座這個二奈米的環屏啊那現在呢最快就本季動工去年才宣布而已喔另外還有一個四月底會進入環屏的是1.2奈米的砂輪廠也就是所謂你去年12月核定的南科四起這些現象都是好現象"},{"start":757.796,"end":779.09,"text":"我們都需要這個科技企業我們需要台積電可是出現一個很大的問題也就是說產業發展的速度飛奔可是生活機能的發展速度卻落後也就是說住宅不足 交通擁擠 公共設施不夠每一次地方的通盤檢討都要花個五年真正通盤檢討要超過十年"},{"start":780.29,"end":809.61,"text":"所以說根本發展來不及產業的發展所以部長 院長我想要請內政部長我們商量一下啦現階段不論是接下來沙崙發展的特定區也好或者是南科這個區也好都是台南發展最重要關鍵有沒有可能在國土規劃第一期進行通平檢討的情況底下提出一個所謂的先期規劃讓周遭的生活也得以提升因為隨便一個二奈米廠"},{"start":810.31,"end":814.593,"text":"兩點跟委員答覆第一個為了支撐我們高科技產業的快速發展我們在全國六大產業生活圈我們已經擬定了各生活圈的計畫"},{"start":834.505,"end":859.871,"text":"第二個在施政報告裡面我提到從土地的開放從法規的開放就是要來滿足生活圈施政高科技這樣過程所必須付出的時間跟流程的減變我拜託一下劉部長多關心一下台南好不好拜託拜託謝謝院長另外還有一個最現實的問題農民的問題我今天看到早上農民還傳給我有關於美食今年才漲兩成而已"},{"start":860.831,"end":886.932,"text":"然後呢 不論是柚子也好 不論是這個芒果也好今年都會很嚴重 這幾年的天災地變特別的多啦所以我一再要求說 農業部一定要把天然災害的這個補助的上限打開農業部在3月24號已經對外公布 已經打開了也不要局限一年一次 農業部也接受了可是還有一些國品 包括菱角 包括蓮子這些都還沒有開放 這是第一項"},{"start":887.893,"end":914.989,"text":"第二個呢包括這個梅子的部分今天早上很多農民都非常的擔心啊台南從來沒有補助到可是高雄有例子可是台南就不行台南為什麼不行說因為土地分區有問題啊土地分區為什麼是不行因為是林務局管的事實上你要從一個實際耕作者的角度以前我們都從實際耕作者的角度有種植的事實你就要補助他事實上有因為天災而受害的事實嘛這個部分部長院長能不能體恤一下農民的辛苦啊"},{"start":915.831,"end":940.463,"text":"好謝謝委員我想分兩個部分回答第一個部分就是委員所關心的非常多的這些額度我們整體平均以及從20%提高到25%那委員所關心的這些品項有一部分是我們成本還在做一個分析我們後續的話如果說成本的分析確定以後我們會再來做相關的調整那天然災害補助20可以最高到多少到25了已經到25了可以到25有沒有可能到30"},{"start":942.006,"end":945.649,"text":"我想這個會連動到我們現刊的那個百分比市公司跟作者有任何認定?市公司跟作者?不要受限於一定的分區啦這個我回來再質疑請質疑一下,前作者是不錯啦我沒有幫忙,我有臨時定義關係的訊息市長還有關係的訊息"},{"start":972.456,"end":972.578,"text":"好 請你們"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:19.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:19.913000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:20.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:21.853000+08:00","text":"有請卓院長跟經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:21.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:22.113000+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓院長、經濟部部長備詢。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:22.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:28.439333+08:00","text":"郭委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:28.439333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:34.765667+08:00","text":"郭委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:34.765667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:41.092000+08:00","text":"院長好、部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:41.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:46.137000+08:00","text":"昨天我們的物價穩定小組開了會，到底逛夜市接下來有沒有塑膠袋？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:46.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:48.659000+08:00","text":"有沒有找到囤貨的大戶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:48.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:49.860000+08:00","text":"或者有沒有海外的替代來源？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:50.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:50.561000+08:00","text":"能不能趁這個機會跟國人說明一下？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:53.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:31:54.136000+08:00","text":"謝謝郭委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:31:54.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:19.031000+08:00","text":"昨天我們緊急地因應這個情勢發表了幾項重點，我想郭委員應該知道，其中就是希望國內石化業者所生產的產品能夠優先供給國內，同時也希望能夠協助國內的廠商在海外取得更多的貨源，另外對於國內有抬價或者囤積的這種不法，我們要加強稽查。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:19.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:20.232000+08:00","text":"現在有對象國嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:20.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:21.292000+08:00","text":"有關來源國多元的部分。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:22.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:33.283000+08:00","text":"這個昨天決定之後，就交由鄭副院長主持的物價穩定小組去擬定各項執行細節，會分屬各部會執行，請龔部長說明。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:33.283000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:34.283000+08:00","text":"會再去找多元對象嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:34.283000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:35.283000+08:00","text":"龔部長補充一下，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:33.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:36.466000+08:00","text":"我跟委員補充說明，可以嗎？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫：分成兩個部分","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:38.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:32:41.470000+08:00","text":"一個是通路端跟銷售端的部分，一個是生產端。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫：分成兩個部分","start":"2026-03-27T14:32:42.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:06.322000+08:00","text":"通路端跟銷售端的部分，我們請同仁去查了，現在看起來大的賣場通路，直接賣給消費者的，這個應該還好，有的是比較……可能有少數的就是夜市商圈這個部分，就是他們要用給人家、賣給人家的部分，我們請同仁就是……供應商直接跟他們，避過中盤商……","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:06.322000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:07.322000+08:00","text":"去調撥……","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:06.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:08.303000+08:00","text":"因為有些中盤商是從國外進口的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:08.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:08.923000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:10.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:13.105000+08:00","text":"儘可能去找到新的貨源，解決這一個塑膠袋之亂，好不好？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:13.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:14.205000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:14.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:45.377000+08:00","text":"另外一部分，院長，其實本席的選區是在南科，還有本席也長期在做一些臺日友好的工作，可是最近發現我們整個供應鏈有受到紅色滲透的一個可能性，模式一是在於過往曾經有相關的大廠把先進製程送往國外的可能性，也就是它把原來的廠拆除掉，然後到國外組裝，當初其實有類似的情況發生。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:46.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:33:57.547000+08:00","text":"最近又有一個新的模式，就是日本的這些半導體公司的母公司來臺設廠之後，它在海外的公司卻因為中國的購併，讓中國掌握了絕對主導權。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:33:57.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:12.575000+08:00","text":"這個部分我私下問過經濟部投審司，相關的單位人員說你們只有處理事先的審查，可是事後的股權變化、最終的受益人是誰、誰能夠主導資本的屬性，卻沒有辦法確認，這個變成是一種漏洞。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:12.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:16.176000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊提醒院長跟部長，這個部分有沒有可能防止？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:17.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:26.280000+08:00","text":"針對這種戰略型的產業當中，有一個事後普查的可能性，隨時掌握現況、隨時了解它的資本屬性定位有沒有重新轉變，有沒有可能？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:27.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:50.305000+08:00","text":"謝謝郭委員能夠適時來提醒政府注意到這一個區塊是不是有所缺失，我們跟日本不僅現在合作的關係良好，各自對於國內的經濟安全、出口管制，也都有相當高的默契跟共同的做法，我認為這一點請經濟部跟相關部會能夠跟日方也取得這樣的共識，是不是在雙方談的時候，有一個能夠約束……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:51.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:53.746000+08:00","text":"中共對我們來說，不只是政治滲透，還有經濟的滲透。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:54.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:34:54.926000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我補充一下。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:34:56.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:01.949000+08:00","text":"只要他的股權有更改，有涉及中資的話就要跟我們報告。對……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:01.949000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:03.409000+08:00","text":"如果沒有報告就要裁罰。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:03.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:07.051000+08:00","text":"我舉的例子就是沒有報告！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:07.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:19.636000+08:00","text":"而且有些狀況是透過商業性聯盟，甚至有些契約是私底下交換，把一些生產線挪移到臺灣來，然後用合法方式對政府目前的政策抵制！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:20.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:30.340000+08:00","text":"我認為這真的需要知道一下，這叫經濟滲透，紅色資本的入侵，這是有可能存在的，所以這點請院長及部長特別注意，好不好？是。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:30.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:42.724000+08:00","text":"臺日之間的合作到目前為止看起來都非常好，現在熊本有一廠、有二廠，預計要生產3奈米晶片，看起來很像我們單方面去那邊進行投資，日本也單方面給我們補助。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:43.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:35:46.126000+08:00","text":"不過上述臺日的合作方式其實還不夠。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:35:46.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:08.403000+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子來說明，目前臺灣跟日本之間有些技術其實已經從頭到尾一起合作了，以現在的封測部分，特別是後端的封測設備，不論是AI的server，不論是冷卻系統或零組件，這些都不是臺灣的強項，也不是日本的強項，反倒需要進口。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:08.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:10.065000+08:00","text":"這部分的強項是誰？中國！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:11.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:25.846000+08:00","text":"所以這反倒是臺日之間需要合作的項目，因此，臺日之間不光是高興或歡呼設半導體先進奈米製程、從原來的成熟奈米變先進奈米製程而已，我想未來式的合作及成立半導體聯盟架構更為重要。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:26.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:30.690000+08:00","text":"報告委員，基本上台積電除了在那邊設廠之外，它有一個研發中心也在日本設立了……對……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:32.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:38.275000+08:00","text":"針對未來共同合作的材料，基本上我們會跟日本做最緊密的合作。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:38.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:41.217000+08:00","text":"我舉一個特別的例子說明。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:41.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:45.360000+08:00","text":"目前設備端跟材料端都是日本最強，所以大家該如何一起努力？","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:45.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:49.463000+08:00","text":"這是很重要的關鍵，我請部長、院長特別注意一下，好不好？是。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:49.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:36:57.228000+08:00","text":"另外，最近AI打得很兇，中共更是大打資訊戰。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:36:58.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:04.810000+08:00","text":"與去年到前年相較，現在假帳號多了一倍，特別是疑賴、疑軍或疑美的。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:05.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:17.383000+08:00","text":"我調了國安局的資料來看，不管是丹娜絲颱風或台積電赴美投資或美國關稅也好，從國安局所調查的資料顯示，2024年的假帳號有2萬8,216個，2025年變成4萬5,550個，將近倍增。","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:23.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:30.312000+08:00","text":"就所謂的異常帳號，以非真實使用者的社群帳號來說，面對這種倍增的情況到底要怎麼處理？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:30.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:42.955000+08:00","text":"我曾經私下問過數發部林部長，林部長表示可以用數位憑證皮夾透過編碼方式，以不涉及個資的可能性來處理。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:44.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:46.276000+08:00","text":"但這個可能性需要什麼？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:46.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:37:51.678000+08:00","text":"需要平臺的同意，不管是FB、IG或Threads，這些海外平臺都要Meta的同意。是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:37:52.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:02.071000+08:00","text":"至於國內的部分，Dcard也好或PTT也好，則需要國內業者的同意，所以沒有辦法一一去要求，否則Meta不同意的話，我們不是都不能做了？","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:02.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:04.534000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有其他方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:07.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:08.490000+08:00","text":"委員的意見非常好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:09.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:32.825000+08:00","text":"我今天早上才從矽谷坐飛機回來，前天去拜訪Google總部時也提到這個想法，他們的回應基本上是正面的，他們也認為現在在社群裡面，譬如YouTube社群裡的影片，有的本身就是在帶風向與議題，結果下面有一萬人按讚，其實當中有八、九千個都是僵屍帳號。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:32.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:34.876000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:34.876000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:36.927000+08:00","text":"如果用數位憑證……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:36.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:39.428000+08:00","text":"部長，我提醒你，今年又是選舉年了，今年會更嚴重！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:40.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:42.710000+08:00","text":"我問你，Meta會不會同意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:43.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:44.971000+08:00","text":"Meta……我們還沒跟他談，之前我們……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:44.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:49.474000+08:00","text":"到現在為止還沒跟Meta談？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:49.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:38:56.557000+08:00","text":"其實每次遇到事情就要跟Meta談一次，好像我們每次都有很多事情要拜託他一樣，甚至還要飛去美國？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:38:56.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:00.759000+08:00","text":"院長，之前我們推過數位服務法，有沒有可能弄一個數位平臺管理法？","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:00.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:01.400000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能性？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:02.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:17.503000+08:00","text":"數位部一直有跟其他平臺業者保持各種要求，從過去到現在，在應對詐騙方面我們也進展不少，既然有這個新的行為，希望數位部能儘快去跟各平臺業者達成要求……","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:17.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:20.185000+08:00","text":"達成共識，而且這件事情應該要趕快達成，因為有急迫性。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:20.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:24.007000+08:00","text":"其實比較長遠來說，應該立數位平臺管理辦法，對不對？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:24.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:27.489000+08:00","text":"用這種方式才能一了百了，不然每一件事情都要這樣子！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:27.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:37.953000+08:00","text":"同樣的，針對AI問題我要提醒部長跟院長，中國的AI發展非常快，「我的LLM被中國滲透了嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:38.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:38.713000+08:00","text":"」這篇是誰寫的？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:38.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:40.054000+08:00","text":"就是林宜敬林部長寫的。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:41.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:42.374000+08:00","text":"為什麼中國會這麼強？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:44.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:39:55.903000+08:00","text":"國防安全研究院有調查過，2025年中共黨政軍發展評估當中就提到，中國AI發展是屬於全社會協同的方式，也就是高度整合又持續擴張的方式！","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:39:56.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:08.392000+08:00","text":"他們透過科技巨頭也好、透過國家的研究機構也好，類似這種AI的方式轉到軍事智能化，又回到剛剛的網軍資訊戰，又倒打回來。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:40:08.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:14.736000+08:00","text":"可是臺灣的現況我跟院長報告一下，目前臺灣LLM的資源沒有整合，誰在做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:40:15.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:28.182000+08:00","text":"科技大廠在做、鴻海在做、廣達在做；金融業者在做、玉山在做、台哥大在做；另外國家也有做，國科會有做、數位部也有做，但就是分散完全沒有整合。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:40:28.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:43.352000+08:00","text":"是不是請院長授權給部長，由部長來主責這件事情，也找一位政委來協同整合外在的資源，打造一個國家隊，成立屬於臺灣的LLM，有沒有這可能性？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:40:43.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:44.473000+08:00","text":"部長跟院長回答一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:40:44.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:40:59.836000+08:00","text":"是，現在全世界都知道中國各種滲透，尤其是網路AI的滲透無所不在，臺灣更是首當其衝，其實我們早就由國科會跟數發部在就主權AI項下做全面的推進，當然我們的速度沒有很快……","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:40: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第一個，為了支撐我們高科技產業的快速發展，我們在全國六大產業生活圈已經擬定了各生活圈的計畫；第二個，我在施政報告裡面有提到，土地的開放、法規的開放就是要來滿足生活圈支撐高科技這個過程所必須付出的時間跟流程的簡便。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:04.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:45:07.728000+08:00","text":"我拜託一下劉部長，多關心一下臺南，好不好？瞭解。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:08.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:45:09.549000+08:00","text":"拜託、拜託！謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:09.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:45:45.932000+08:00","text":"院長，另外還有一個最現實的問題，就是農民的問題，今天早上農民還傳給我有關於梅子今年才長兩成而已的訊息，不論是柚子也好、不論是芒果也好，今年都會很嚴重，這幾年的天災地變特別多，所以我一再要求農業部一定要把天然災害的補助上限打開，農業部在3月24日已經對外公布打開了，也不要侷限一年一次，農業部也接受了，可是還有一些果品，包括菱角、蓮子這些都還沒有開放，這是第一項。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:46.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:45:55.638000+08:00","text":"第二個，有關梅子的部分，今天早上很多農民都非常擔心，臺南從來沒有補助到，高雄有例子，可是臺南就不行，臺南為何不行？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:56.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:45:58.680000+08:00","text":"說是土地分區有問題，土地分區為何不行？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:45:58.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:00.141000+08:00","text":"因為是林務局管的啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:00.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:10.287000+08:00","text":"事實上應該要從實際耕作者的角度，以前我們都是從實際耕作者的角度去看，有種植事實的就要給予補助，因為他有天災而受害的事實嘛！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:10.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:13.969000+08:00","text":"對於這個部分，部長及院長能不能體恤一下農民的辛苦啊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：謝謝委員，我想分兩個部分回答","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:18.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:34.280000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，委員所關心的非常多的額度，我們整體平均已經從20%提高到25%；委員所關心的這些品項，有一部分是我們還在做成本分析，後續如果成本分析確定以後，我們會再來做相關的調整。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:34.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:36.921000+08:00","text":"天然災害補助20%最高可以到多少？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:37.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:38.282000+08:00","text":"平均已經到25%了。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:38.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:39.443000+08:00","text":"可以到25%，有沒有可能到30%？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:41.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:41.627000+08:00","text":"我想這會連動到現勘百分比的水平，這部分後續……","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:41.627000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:42.787000+08:00","text":"實質的農務耕作者能不能認定？對……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:42.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:43.128000+08:00","text":"不要受限於土地的分區啊！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:43.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:43.428000+08:00","text":"這個我們回去再來考慮、再檢討一下。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:43.928000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:48.499429+08:00","text":"你回去處理一下，以前都有這樣突破啦。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:48.799429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:46:58.513714+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，國有林租地，也就是您關心的部分，院長上次在談的時候就已經解開了。","quality":0.029},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:46:58.813714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:03.956571+08:00","text":"請院長幫我關心一下，也請部長費心一下。好。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-27T14:47:04.256571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:10.542286+08:00","text":"請農業部去檢討，再跟委員請教我們如何做得更完善。","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-03-27T14:47:10.842286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:13.699429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，那就麻煩你們了。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-27T14:47:13.999429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:19.713714+08:00","text":"請農業部把解決計畫送郭國文委員辦公室，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-27T14:47:20.013714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:26.870857+08:00","text":"謝謝郭國文委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及各部會首長的備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-27T14:47:27.170857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-27T14:47:32.599429+08:00","text":"接下來請陳超明委員質詢，邱志偉委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}