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過去從來沒有這種狀況因為我在醫院在醫院做完26年從來沒有這樣過我們沒有說堅持不行不可以調當初114年說不能調是在我們院裡面做成的決議說不能調這樣子"},{"start":1462.489,"end":1475.374,"text":"我跟你講啦過去從來沒有你問柯建民對不對你們過去的總召多少只要談好你自己把它調好一切就順了因為過去立法院都很依照憲法第70條跟預算法93條所以過去不會有這種現象這一次是嚴重違背憲法70條跟預算法93條"},{"start":1482.557,"end":1501.128,"text":"因為為了整個國家的經濟提升、兩岸和平、政治清明你硬撐對人民都沒有好處趕快審總預算你該過的先過啦沒有總預算該過一部分你不要把這個卡住主計長都把公文都下去了你還說這個不行對不對"},{"start":1504.062,"end":1516.73,"text":"趕快審總預算總預算如果審立法院可以就內容來做討論而不是現在說要給你傳給給你吃個肉的這絕對不是這樣的態度你剛剛所提到的這個就是說到時候718億裡面要是有3千"},{"start":1519.452,"end":1534.426,"text":"再談到這個動資,我們可以以第一備金、第二備金及災害準備金這些是按照中央政府總預算未能依現完成之執行的補充規定建議應等到預算完成,法定程序後實體動資"},{"start":1536.408,"end":1556.699,"text":"但其實這個解釋函規定是行政院主計總署自己可以修改的當預算沒有辦法在期限內審定完成預算法並沒有限制行政院動資第一倍均、第二倍均以及災害準倍均"},{"start":1557.519,"end":1582.92,"text":"所以說718億的新興計畫包含TPAS這個要務任性以及民生政策本席真的是希望卓院長跟賴總統擱置爭議依主席總署的建議趕快做出指示讓各部會能夠盡快的動之你不要再硬撐啦我並不想擱置爭議我是認為不需要有爭議只要趕快審中央政府總預算就不會有爭議"},{"start":1584.11,"end":1609.74,"text":"那個都是你在講的啦因為過去從來沒有這個樣子只有你當行政院長過去都依照憲法跟預算法的規定來所以不會這個樣子只有去年開始變成這個樣子過去從來沒有是沒有錯真的好啦因為你跟你怎麼硬撐都沒有用好啦那個我們是不是請那個交通部部長陳部長麻煩請交通部長備詢"},{"start":1621.874,"end":1638.452,"text":"路長你好我請教因為這個在我們雙河地區有很多像那個成功路旁邊的堤頂道路包括這個黃河東路"},{"start":1640.051,"end":1660.038,"text":"因為每天上下班人很多幾乎每天上下班幾乎都塞車因為我一直在觀察塞車最重要就是怎麼樣去解決他塞車的問題以前有一個南北線因為南北線那時候有一些卡關所以說就沒有完成"},{"start":1660.543,"end":1687.838,"text":"那現在有一條綜合關戶線的規劃進度其實交通建設是不分黨派那本席也十分支持那一個綜合關戶線新北已經啟動可行性民估已經大概差不多年終就可以送中央來審議台北市其實也都啟動應該也都在那個時候就可以送那我是希望說站在解決地方問題的立場"},{"start":1689.239,"end":1702.797,"text":"是不是中央與地方的公文旅行過去這條路路線規劃時交通部經常要地方來補件耗掉很多的寶貴時間那我能不能"},{"start":1705.178,"end":1730.138,"text":"部長在這裡給地方一個承諾就是說這個中和關路線在這裡是不是交通部能夠在可行性評估一送件請交通部立刻開綠燈來審查可不可以好 謝謝委員的關心目前新北市政府已經在做可行性研究您剛剛所說的它應該五月左右就送過來那台北市的部分我們可能要再追蹤一下因為這是跨縣市的一個道路"},{"start":1730.959,"end":1752.234,"text":"那我們等兩個部分都送過來我們一定會盡速來審查委員這麼關心我們就來加速審查我是希望說齁這個要是需要補件請交通部專案輔導新北或者是台北市齁讓他補件能夠一切順利啦因為齁每天我看上下班很多人都塞在那裡而且只要上班下班幾乎都"},{"start":1752.794,"end":1777.787,"text":"如出一徹都是這個樣子這個比較特殊因為牽扯到兩個縣市那我們這個介面會比較多那委員所提醒的就是說我們可能專案來協助他們就兩個縣市一起新北市跟台北市一起找過來因為那是解決交通的問題另外那個一個捷運中和半大線這個2027年年底就是明年年底會完工那"},{"start":1778.986,"end":1807.626,"text":"本席是認為說這個交通建設都不分黨派啦這個地方中央都要支持那未來萬大縣第一期完工後在確保民眾搭乘安全的前提下本席是希望交通部能夠承諾會加速旅館作業盡早核准營運的通車怎麼樣如果完工了我們當然希望他可以趕快通車那旅館的部分我們來協助好那最後一個問題我再請卓院長你可以回去"},{"start":1809.283,"end":1833.298,"text":"因為現在這個很多這個陣營的推動都是村里長第一線那因為我們都知道村里長的事務會補助四年前這四年的物價波動很大那我是認為說這些通盆把很多都吃掉了是不是地方的民意代表會用知己村里長的事務補助會這個應該適度的可以調"},{"start":1837.941,"end":1860.069,"text":"以現實面來看因為你物價調那麼多漲那麼多那這個經過四年你都沒有來做任何的調我認為應該要研究一下這個也請內政部跟地方政府去研討看看將來這個負擔是由地方來負擔到什麼要看什麼負擔嘛謝謝林德福委員質詢謝謝主委院長各相關部會所長備詢謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:22.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:02:29.600000+08:00","text":"韓院長、行政院卓院長、與會各部會的首長。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:30.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:02:31.581000+08:00","text":"請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:31.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:02:41.786000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:41.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:02:42.086000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:42.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:02:43.406000+08:00","text":"卓院長你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:02:43.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:03:08.362000+08:00","text":"卓院長，我請教，行政院打算幫軍公教調薪，這部分本席是支持的，本席認為行政院除了照顧現職的公務員，更要編列軍人加薪以及提高警察、警消退休所得替代率的法定預算。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:03:09.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:03:36.299000+08:00","text":"本席沒有要跟卓院長針鋒相對，您也知道我們現在的物價一直在上漲，人民荷包緊縮、都在縮水，本席希望行政院能夠回心轉意，感念這些退休公務員對國家的貢獻，停止調降公教年金所得替代率。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:03:37.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:03:38.101000+08:00","text":"院長，你有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:03:39.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:03:50.586000+08:00","text":"政府對軍公教的調薪，逐年來是依照我們經濟的發展跟國家的財政能力，所以這個部分這幾年來已經調整了百分之十四點多了，我記得是如此。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:03:52.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:04:16.293000+08:00","text":"對軍人的部分，我們在過去一年，前一年也增加了對軍人170億的預算來增加各種戰鬥部隊的加給，同時也有追加了60億的預算，今年雖然還沒有通過，也編了125億的預算，要針對軍人各種不同的加給，所以政府對軍人的部分……","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:04:16.293000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:04:17.293000+08:00","text":"所以你認為這樣就夠了是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:04:17.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:04:21.960000+08:00","text":"不是，政府對軍人的薪資是階梯式的、逐年的進展，而不是一次、齊頭式的平等。","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:04:21.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:04:22.960000+08:00","text":"我知道啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:04:22.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:04:25.666000+08:00","text":"這樣並不會造成更大的公平，但是照顧是不會落後的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:04:26.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:05.022000+08:00","text":"問題是退休的這些公教人員，包括警察、警消，其實他們過去在任職的時候，也是幫我們政府來打拚，公務員不管是現職或退休，我相信都是國家的棟樑，政府身為雇主，應該有義務要來照顧這些公務員，政治是一時的，好的待遇與退休條件才能夠吸引更優秀的人才投入公職，本席是希望院長真的要好好的考慮。是。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:05.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:07.384000+08:00","text":"因為你的院長不是做永遠的。不是。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:08.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:14.769000+08:00","text":"而且立法院通過的這些法案，講實在話，也是公平、公正、客觀。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:15.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:25.075000+08:00","text":"今天當他退休的時候再來砍他的年金，當初他為什麼要選擇這個行業？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:25.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:26.736000+08:00","text":"主要就是退休有保障嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:27.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:40.502000+08:00","text":"因為退休以後年紀越長，花費越多，有時候生病要看醫生，再接下來，甚至於有的要請外勞來幫忙照顧，這些都要花費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:40.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:05:51.148000+08:00","text":"而且現在幾乎每一年的物價都在上漲。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:05:51.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:05.997000+08:00","text":"所以說你砍他年金，剛好是顛倒，本來是應該要照顧他們，結果你不但是砍殺，而且讓他們年年減少，那你對現職的增加，對這些退休的砍殺。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:05.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:06.017000+08:00","text":"院長，你有什麼……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:09.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:29.510000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，蔡英文總統時代基於過去這麼多年來對年金改革只有風聲沒有執行，所以蔡總統那個時候是克服了萬難，取得社會最大的共識，降低了所得替代率，降低了所得替代率絕對不會影響任何一個公務員當年、當月、當日的生活！","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:30.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:35.275000+08:00","text":"況且到現在為止，雖然所得替代率逐年緩步的下降……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:35.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:36.275000+08:00","text":"年年降啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:35.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:45.826000+08:00","text":"但是我們整個社會支持、社會福利、醫療的照顧等等是逐年在增加，這樣相較之下，對退休人員的照顧並不會比較差。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:46.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:49.770000+08:00","text":"那我請教，當初是要改軍、公、教、勞……是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:50.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:51.672000+08:00","text":"為什麼只砍軍公教？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:51.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:52.862500+08:00","text":"勞為什麼年年補貼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:52.862500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:06:54.053000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:06:54.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:03.599000+08:00","text":"軍人我們是希望他們長用久任，希望他們留在位置上，也對未來新加入國軍行列的軍公教能夠起一個串聯的工作。","quality":0.723},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:04.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:17.273000+08:00","text":"我是希望卓院長真的要好好考量，其實你砍他的也不多，但是讓這些退休的人員……人家說老虎打死了才講價，他退休以後再來砍他的年金，道理何在？","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:17.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:21.254000+08:00","text":"我們還是非常感謝所有現職跟退休的公務人員。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:21.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:23.615000+08:00","text":"退休的你砍他，現職還可以加薪啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:23.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:39.283000+08:00","text":"年金改革這個案子經過大法官解釋是合憲的，我們在沒有任何違憲的基礎底下不會去變動，所以現在我們站在這個情況底下，但是立法院要增加行政院的財政負擔，也要考慮到國家的財政能力。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:41.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:54.432000+08:00","text":"講實在話，當初的政策是要改軍、公、教、勞，你現在只砍軍公教，勞擱一邊，又每年補貼，我不是說這樣不好，但問題是軍公教他們心理上很不平啊！","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:55.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:07:58.455000+08:00","text":"因為警消有的60歲就走掉了，對不對？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:07:58.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:03.456000+08:00","text":"因為他們很辛苦，又是很危險的任務，對不對？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:03.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:05.436000+08:00","text":"那你為什麼退休再來砍？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:05.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:06.736000+08:00","text":"我相信這是良心啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:07.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:08.797000+08:00","text":"你自己考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:09.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:23.220000+08:00","text":"本席多次關心CPTPP的加入進度，本席在去年3月也問過卓院長，關切臺灣加入CPTPP的進度，卓院長說會盡力爭取。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:25.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:33.665000+08:00","text":"我請問卓院長，目前CPTPP的成員國中在態度上支持我們的數量有多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:35.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:44.772000+08:00","text":"最重要的會員國共識這部分，到現在我們是沒有辦法全部達到，因為當中有很大的政治阻力。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:44.772000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:45.772000+08:00","text":"有沒有一半？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:45.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:46.473000+08:00","text":"支持我們的有沒有一半？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:47.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:53.017000+08:00","text":"這個部分我認為我們在處理的過程當中，我們要尊重每一個當事國跟我們互相的承諾。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:55.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:57.695000+08:00","text":"這個根本就是一拖再拖啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:58.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:08:59.497000+08:00","text":"這只不過是一個幌子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:08:59.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:09:01.199000+08:00","text":"我們現在已經有最好的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:09:02.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:09:33.015000+08: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234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:14:23.826000+08:00","text":"2024年我們的糧食自給率只有30.7%，不到31%，如果糧食短缺，難道叫人民去吃晶片嗎？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:14:25.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:14:42.948000+08:00","text":"委員應該是有所誤會，農業部到現在為止所有的作為絕對不會對農民產生影響，縱然在工業方面有一些減壓供水，在農業部的……目前對農業的種植絕對不會發生影響，請部長澄清一下。","quality":0.747},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-31T15:14:43.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:14:58.346000+08:00","text":"簡單向委員說明，我們在新竹地區用系統性的節水作為，不採用所謂的停灌的方式，就是要讓農民能夠持續在有限的水資源之下讓作物生長，讓他們有所收穫。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:14:58.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:15:01.828000+08:00","text":"要不然那些農民怎麼會去抗議呢？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-31T15:15:01.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:15:16.731000+08:00","text":"您剛才講的，媒體所報導的去抗議的並不是農民、不是農民團體，都是一些外界不了解的人，我們也持續的去溝通，目前大概整個灌區裡面兩千八百多公頃的農民都願意參加這樣一個節水的方式。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:15:17.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:15:20.712000+08:00","text":"最起碼你們要向外界講清楚、說明白，對不對？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-03-31T15:15:22.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:15:34.078000+08:00","text":"我們已經完成了溝通，而且95%以上的農民都已經加入這個系統，表示他們肯定這樣的方式能夠協助他們度過這個難關。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:15:34.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:15:34.998000+08:00","text":"好啦，我希望如此。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:15:36.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:16:08.535000+08:00","text":"院長，因為日本約9%的液化天然氣供應來自俄羅斯，韓國日前也表示已向美國政府確認韓國進口俄產的油品不會被制裁，可考慮進口俄產的石腦油；美國也宣布可以讓印度購買俄羅斯的石油；此外，菲律賓和泰國也已經與俄羅斯展開原油進口的相關談判。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:16:09.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:16:19.876000+08:00","text":"請問卓院長和經濟部，對上述訊息是否都有掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:16:20.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:16:23.179000+08:00","text":"首先跟委員說明，再請經濟部來說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:16:24.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:16:49.294000+08:00","text":"石油的安全存量是90天，我們現在是遠遠超過，而且從現在開始幾個月之後的油源還是在穩定的掌握當中，所以目前油的部分，問題並沒有很出乎我們的預料之外；LNG天然氣我們也掌握到5月份是沒有問題，6月也解決了大部分，我們希望一個月、一個月這樣解決下來。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:16:50.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:16:52.115000+08:00","text":"現貨市場上現在也是相當的混亂，大家都在搶現貨。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:16:52.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:25.381000+08:00","text":"院長，本席是認為既然韓國、日本、印度、泰國、菲律賓都打算向俄羅斯買石油，那為了緩解我國未來的能源危機，我方應該向美國表達購買俄羅斯石油的需求，如果美國也同意我方豁免制裁，中油應該要考慮恢復向俄羅斯購買石油。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:25.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:26.142000+08:00","text":"你的看法呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:26.142000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:29.858000+08:00","text":"未雨綢繆啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:29.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:33.460000+08:00","text":"經濟部目前還沒有提出這樣的想法，我們先掌握我們目前的油源。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:33.460000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:34.621000+08:00","text":"那你們都沒有想法，是不是？","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:34.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:45.067000+08:00","text":"我們對現貨市場的觀測是有的，如果能夠對於現貨市場的秩序理出一個方式，那經濟部會再進一步去評估，請經濟部說明。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:45.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:17:56.494000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在原油的部分會從美國還有西非等幾個國家來做調度，目前調度的情況還算順利。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:17:58.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:18:13.590000+08:00","text":"好，但願如此啦，你不要到時候一直往上拉高價錢，因為不管石油也好、天然氣也好，價錢一拉高，百業就會往上拉，所有的物價都會往上提。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:18:14.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:18:16.873000+08:00","text":"這個我們至少每週都會確實的檢討此後該有的作為。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:18:20.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:18:47.842000+08:00","text":"我再請教，既然經濟部有代表，民進黨政府執意要推動核電歸零、燃氣50%、燃煤20%、再生能源30%的能源政策，我們在野黨也提出一些擔憂，此次中東戰爭一爆發，天然氣進口出現問題，各行各業都會受到衝擊跟影響。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:18:49.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:19:23.127000+08:00","text":"以日、韓為例，兩國是我們貿易上的夥伴與對手，看看別國的能源政策，日本現在明定2030年核能占比要恢復到20%到22%，韓國也把核能拉高到30%以上，請問經濟部是否會要求台電修改長期電源開發的規劃，重新納入核二、核三的核發電？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-31T15:19:24.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:19:51.408000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在核三廠是按照核管法修法後的規定，正在進行自主安全檢查，預計這樣的時程可能需要1.5年到2年的時間，我們都按照法定的程序在進行當中，當然到最後還是要經過核安會的審查，要能夠確保安全無虞之後，核電才會重啟。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:19:51.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:00.291000+08:00","text":"那你認為核電歸零、燃氣50%、燃煤20%、再生能源30%的能源政策要不要調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:01.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:02.280000+08:00","text":"你們要不要調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:02.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:03.841000+08:00","text":"那個大方向一定要啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:04.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:04.881000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:04.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:07.261000+08:00","text":"不是只有這樣改而已。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:07.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:23.705000+08:00","text":"在我們的環境基本法當中，我們多元發展綠能，這個是現在的政策，總統也提出二次能源轉型，也是以多元發展綠能、深度節能、科技儲能以及強化電網韌性為主軸，所以這一條路我們是堅持走下去的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:24.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:20:56.200000+08:00","text":"對於剛剛委員所關心的核能問題，因為核管法改變之後，40年除役的年限被破除了，所以有機會重新再用一個程式讓它……是不是安全無虞，現在才進到這個情況底下，所以如果透過自主安全檢查，以及提出再運轉計畫，經過核安會核准之後，才有可能經過社會的共識來討論何時……能不能夠重啟，目前我們在做準備的工作。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:20:56.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:21:09.209000+08:00","text":"同時對於新式核能的技術，我們希望跟世界同步，無論是SMR或是核融合，我們現在都在接觸當中，甚至國內已經有初步的雛形在做基本的研究，我們會加快速度。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:21:09.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:21:10.570000+08:00","text":"我是希望要面對現實。是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:21:10.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:21:25.761000+08:00","text":"很多問題擺在眼前，今天你要是見到問題，又不想去把它改進，你永遠擺在那裡，我們只會往下沉淪，不會往上提升。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:21:25.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:21:27.743000+08:00","text":"我們正在為未來能夠有多一項的選擇做努力。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:21:27.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:21:46.656000+08:00","text":"院長，怕熱就不要進廚房，這是許多政治前輩常講的一句話，對於115年總預算僵局，本席無意跟卓院長針鋒相對，但本席是希望，行政院長能夠擱置爭議，務實地往前看。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:21:47.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:04.860000+08:00","text":"因為依預算法第五十四條規定，立法院已經同意行政院先行動支718億元的新興計畫預算，於法有據，而主計長已公開證實新興計畫的預算依法可以動支。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:06.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:36+08:00","text":"立法院已同意行政院動支新興計畫書的預算，主計總處公文也卡在行政院，受影響的是人民的日常生活，就算718億元的新興計畫預算未來如果經過立法院審議，有刪減的時候，也可由各機關相關的經費調整支應或補列以後年度預算，並非無解。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:36.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:37.101000+08:00","text":"你有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:37.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:46.687000+08:00","text":"中華民國的公務員從來沒有像今年這樣子，可以用的預算還在未知狀態，可能用了以後不會被承認，中華民國公務員從來沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:47.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:47.749000+08:00","text":"沒有這樣喔……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:47.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:48.749000+08:00","text":"從來沒有！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:47.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:53.915000+08:00","text":"那我跟你講，每次我們提這些計畫什麼的，你……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:53.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:22:54.915000+08:00","text":"沒有，預算都要經過三讀……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:22:53.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:01.363000+08:00","text":"你不喜歡就把它提覆議，覆議我們也又表決了一次，在過去也沒有這個樣子，對不對？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:01.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:18.942000+08:00","text":"預算都要經過三讀，718億固然是人民需要，718億之外的，另外整套預算是3兆350億，不論其他的，就是新增跟新興計畫裡面來看，我們「健康台灣」的國家疫苗計畫難道不重要嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:18.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:24.506000+08:00","text":"我們的AI機器人、量子、矽光子，難道不重要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:24.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:28.269000+08:00","text":"我們「北回之巔」的觀光產業難道不重要嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:28.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:30.370000+08:00","text":"我們要提升國軍戰備，難道不重要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:30.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:31.370000+08:00","text":"你只有想到你想要的！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:30.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:31.151000+08:00","text":"這個都是在這裡面，你把這個去除，只通過了718億，而且……","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:23:31.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:23:32.151000+08:00","text":"這些是真正馬上就需要的啊！","quality":0.167},{"spe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24:52.301000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:24:53.301000+08:00","text":"全部都過？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:24:48.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:02.289000+08:00","text":"全部都過，你說「食較䆀」，就是這樣子啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:03.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:04.330000+08:00","text":"請主計長上來。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:04.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:04.711000+08:00","text":"麻煩請主計長備詢。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:08.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:14.225000+08:00","text":"過去我們都是多少你自己去調，但是你這個主計長就聽你們的話，不願意！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:15.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:17.626000+08:00","text":"才造成今天這種狀況，你讓主計長說他不會調。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:17.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:18.626000+08:00","text":"您這麼資深的委員，調……","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:17.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:18.667000+08:00","text":"過去可以調，為什麼現在不會調？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:18.667000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:19.667000+08:00","text":"調的話，調到最後都是兩院協商，不是在這裡表決的。","quality":0.048},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:19.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:34.474000+08:00","text":"過去是多少、百分之幾讓你去自調，過去都可以，只有現在這個主計長說不行！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:34.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:38.497000+08:00","text":"調的過程是兩院協商之後一個數字……對啊！過去……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:38.497000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:39.998000+08:00","text":"去年是在這裡表決耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:39.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:52.087000+08:00","text":"過去朝野協商就是百分之幾讓你們自行去調整，講實在話，這個彈性空間已經很大，但是陳淑姿這個主計長堅持說不行，對不對？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:52.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:53.489000+08:00","text":"過去從來沒有這種狀況！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:53.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:54.489000+08:00","text":"我們沒有說不行啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:54.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:55.489000+08:00","text":"不是主計長堅持不行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:53.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:25:58.715000+08:00","text":"我在立法院這屆做完就26年了，從來沒有這樣過！","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-03-31T15:25:58.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:06.583000+08:00","text":"我們沒有堅持不行、不可以調，當初114年說不能調是在我們院裡面作成的決議說不能調，是這樣的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:08.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:08.989000+08:00","text":"我跟你講啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:09.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:10.270000+08:00","text":"過去從來沒有！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:10.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:17.112000+08:00","text":"你問柯建銘，他是你們過去的總召，只要談好是多少，你們自己把它調好，一切就順了，你卻堅持不肯！","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:17.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:20.514000+08:00","text":"因為過去立法院都依照憲法第七十條跟預算法第九十三條，所以過去不會有這種現象。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:20.514000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:21.514000+08:00","text":"我是希望……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:20.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:21.374000+08:00","text":"這次是嚴重違背憲法第七十條跟預算法第九十三條！","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:21.374000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:29.538000+08:00","text":"你們不要硬「ㄍ一ㄥ」啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:29.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:36.181000+08:00","text":"為了整個國家的經濟提升、兩岸和平、政治清明，你硬「ㄍ一ㄥ」對人民都沒有好處，對不對？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:36.181000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:37.181000+08:00","text":"趕快審總預算就對了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:36.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:36.902000+08:00","text":"趕快審總預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:38.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:39.844000+08:00","text":"你該過的先過，過了以後再來談啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:40.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:41.925000+08:00","text":"沒有總預算，該過一部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:42.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:43.406000+08:00","text":"你不要把這個卡著！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:43.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:47.028000+08:00","text":"主計長公文都下去了，你還說這個不行！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:47.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:47.128000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:47.128000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:50.062000+08:00","text":"我跟你講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:50.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:50.903000+08:00","text":"趕快審總預算！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:50.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:51.903000+08:00","text":"沒有這樣子的啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:51.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:56.667000+08:00","text":"如果審總預算，立法院可以就內容來做討論，而不是像現在說讓你全過，「食較䆀」。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:57.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:26:58.628000+08:00","text":"絕對不是這樣的態度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:26:58.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:02.775000+08:00","text":"你剛剛所提到的就是到時候718億裡面要是有刪減，再談到動支第一預備金、第二預備金及災害準備金，這些是按照「中央政府總預算案未能依限完成時之執行補充規定」，建議應等到預算完成法定程序後始得動支，但其實這個解釋函的規定是行政院主計總處自己可以修改的，當預算沒有辦法在期限內審定完成，預算法並沒有限制行政院動支第一預備金、第二預備金以及災害準備金，所以718億的新興計畫包含TPASS、藥物韌性以及民生政策，本席真的希望卓院長跟賴總統擱置爭議，依主計總處的建議趕快作出指示，讓各部會能夠儘快動支，你不要再硬「ㄍ一ㄥ」啦！","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:03.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:08.920000+08:00","text":"委員，我並不想擱置爭議，我是認為不需要有爭議，只要趕快審中央政府總預算，就不會有爭議。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:10.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:11.290000+08:00","text":"那個都是你在講的啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:12.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:14.332000+08:00","text":"因為過去從來沒有這個樣子！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:14.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:16.593000+08:00","text":"只有你當行政院長和陳淑姿當主計長才這個樣子！是啊！","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:16.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:22.255000+08:00","text":"過去都依照憲法跟預算法的規定來，所以不會這個樣子，只有去年開始變成這個樣子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:23.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:24.116000+08:00","text":"過去從來沒有！真的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:24.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:28.137000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。好啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:28.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:31.078000+08:00","text":"跟你怎麼硬「ㄍ一ㄥ」都沒有用啦！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:32.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:34.980000+08:00","text":"接下來請交通部陳部長。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:34.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:35.740000+08:00","text":"麻煩請交通部長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:47.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:28:48.995000+08:00","text":"部長，你好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:28:49.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:29:20.696000+08:00","text":"我要請教的是，我們雙和地區有很多道路，像成功路旁邊的堤頂道路，還有環河東路，因為上下班人很多，幾乎天天塞車，我一直在觀察，最重要的就是怎麼樣去解決塞車的問題。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:29:20.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:29:26.018000+08:00","text":"以前有一個捷運南北線，可是有些卡關，所以就沒有完成。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:29:27.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:29:35.888000+08:00","text":"現在有一個捷運中和光復線的規劃，其實交通建設是不分黨派的，本席也十分支持。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:29:38.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:29:50.536000+08:00","text":"這條中和光復線，新北的部分已經啟動可行性評估，差不多年中就可以送中央審議，臺北市的部分其實也啟動了，應該都在那個時候就可以送。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:29:51.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:30:25.049000+08:00","text":"我是希望站在解決地方問題的立場，是不是中央與地方的公文旅行……過去這條路線規劃時，交通部經常要地方來補件，耗掉很多的寶貴時間，我能不能請部長在這裡給地方一個承諾，交通部是不是能夠在收到中和光復線的可行性評估送件後，立刻開綠燈來審查，可不可以？","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:30:25.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:30:32.215000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的關心，目前新北市政府已經在做可行性研究，您剛剛所說的，它應該5月左右就會送過來。對。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:30:32.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:30:42.323000+08:00","text":"臺北市的部分，我們可能要再追蹤一下，因為這是跨縣市的道路，我們等兩個部分都送過來，我們一定會儘速來審查，委員這麼關心，我們就來加速審查。好啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:30:42.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:00.535000+08:00","text":"我是希望，要是這個需要補件，請交通部專案輔導新北市或者是臺北市，讓它補件能夠一切順利，因為我看每天上、下班都很多人塞在那裡，而且是只要上班、下班幾乎都如出一轍，都是這個樣子。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:00.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:03.296000+08:00","text":"是，這個比較特殊，因為牽扯到兩個縣市。對啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:05.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:13.782000+08:00","text":"這部分的界面會比較多，委員所提醒的就是，我們可能專案來協助他們，就兩個縣市一起，新北市跟臺北市一起找過來、一起來討論。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:13.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:16.523000+08:00","text":"因為那是解決交通的問題。對。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:16.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:44.339000+08:00","text":"另外，捷運中和萬大線於2027年年底，就是明年年底會完工，本席是認為交通建設都不分黨派，地方、中央都要支持，未來萬大線第一期完工後，在確保民眾搭乘安全的前提下，本席是希望交通部能夠承諾會加速履勘作業，儘早核准營運的通車。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:44.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:48.562000+08:00","text":"好，如果完工了，我們當然希望它可以趕快通車，履勘的部分，我們會來協助。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:49.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:31:53.446000+08:00","text":"好，最後一個問題，我再請教卓院長，部長可以回座。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:31:55.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:36.506000+08:00","text":"卓院長，因為現在很多政令的推動，村里長都是第一線，因為我們都知道村里長的事務費補助是4年前，這4年的物價波動很大，我是認為通膨把很多都吃掉了，地方民意代表費用支給村里長事務補助費應該可以適度的調，以現實面來看，因為物價調那麼多、漲那麼多，經過4年，你都沒有做任何的調整，我認為應該要研究一下。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:32:37.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:42.788000+08:00","text":"這個也請內政部跟地方政府去研討看看，將來這個負擔是由地方來負擔還是……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員德福","start":"2026-03-31T15:32:43.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:43.989000+08:00","text":"對，看怎麼負擔嘛，謝謝。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:32:43.989000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:44.989000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:32:44.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:46.069000+08:00","text":"謝謝林德福委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:32:46.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:32:52.569000+08:00","text":"接下來本日最後一位質詢委員徐欣瑩委員，請質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}