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謝謝 麻煩請行政院送徐欣營委員要求的報告謝謝 謝謝徐欣營委員的資訊 謝謝主任長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:30.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:33:30.425000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:30.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:33:31.566000+08:00","text":"本席有請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:31.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:33:32.086000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:32.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:33:34.347000+08:00","text":"徐委員，祝福你通過一個艱辛的考驗，我們期待未來我們有一場非常高品質的選舉，落實民主政治。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:52.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:33:53.852000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:33:54.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:34:45.050000+08:00","text":"我今天是最後一位總質詢，我想跟院長來談一談AI，院長一定認同全球包含臺灣都進入了AI時代，也因為進入AI時代，所以我們看到賴清德總統喊出要重啟核二、核三，所以我優先想跟院長來探討臺灣的AI，尤其院長您上任的時候，我印象很深刻，「行動創新AI內閣」，這有兩個含意，一個是你們把AI解釋成active innovative，但是AI時代的來臨，你們也要讓整個施政能夠進入AI的時代。沒錯。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:34:45.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:34:48.593000+08:00","text":"所以臺灣的AI有沒有變成治理能力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:34:49.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:00.071000+08:00","text":"這個是非常非常重要的，所以要人民有感，AI不是說有技術、有設備這樣來建置，我們要讓人民有感。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:00.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:20.641000+08:00","text":"所以AI在臺灣的整個應用，行政院是火車頭，照道理應該全面下去進行，當然，我們也看到很多部會都有在進行，所以本席今天要從幾個面向跟院長討論。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:20.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:21.942000+08:00","text":"首先，AI應用在交通的部分，我們臺灣現在一年的交通事故有50萬件，3,000人因此死亡，請問我們現在有沒有統計……","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:21.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:24.023000+08:00","text":"時間暫停，徐委員，現在要不要請交通部部長備詢？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:24.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:47.536000+08:00","text":"因為現在是進入交通議題？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:47.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:50.797000+08:00","text":"我都在問院長，報告院長，我都……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:50.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:51.797000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，那交通部部長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:50.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:52.377000+08:00","text":"從頭到尾在跟院長談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:52.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:35:58.118000+08:00","text":"好的，因為我們這個硬體設備只能夠3位，那你就先問院長。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:35:58.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:00.659000+08:00","text":"對、對，我都是在跟院長討論。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:00.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:01.659000+08:00","text":"主席，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:00.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:02.119000+08:00","text":"好的，各部會首長就稍安勿躁，好不好？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:05.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:05.960000+08:00","text":"時間繼續。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:05.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:10.340000+08:00","text":"部長你們自由啦，我是在跟院長就教。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:12.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:24.808000+08:00","text":"我想交通最重要的是交通的安全跟交通的順暢，在交通安全方面，針對AI的部分，我們有沒有做什麼樣的應用？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:25.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:43.761000+08:00","text":"本席剛剛提到臺灣一年50萬件交通事故，近3,000人死亡，但我們看到美國在AI時代來臨之後，應用AI，追撞事故可以減少49%，等於減少一半，將近50%。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:45.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:58.074000+08:00","text":"我們的AI內閣上任兩年來，本席首先想請問，臺灣把AI應用在交通之後，死亡和事故下降了多少？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:58.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:36:59.355000+08:00","text":"有沒有數據？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:36:59.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:19.444000+08:00","text":"好，我先跟委員報告，臺灣因為有世界非常領先的半導體製造能力，所以我們設定的AI新十大建設裡面，最頂尖的這一塊叫做軟體設計，希望把硬體變成軟體設計，然後讓百工百業都能夠進到應用的時代……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:19.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:20.444000+08:00","text":"對，我有看到你們這個內容。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:20.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:30.827000+08:00","text":"最終是建立一個全民智慧生活圈，我們會把矽光子、量子、AI機器人、無人載具都當作我們的關鍵產業，委員所說的交通部分，我前不久……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:31.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:37.010000+08:00","text":"你說百工百業我認同，士農工商我都認同，農業也可以，但我現在是針對交通請教你。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:37.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:50.898000+08:00","text":"我前不久到中南部一家廠商，他是做車用雷達的，他就是應用AI技術，導入路邊的裝置、標誌，讓行車更安全，提醒駕駛……","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:50.898000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:51.898000+08:00","text":"對、對，OK，這些我也了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:50.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:37:53.340000+08:00","text":"也可以讓那個標誌提醒過路人。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:37:54.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:05.692000+08:00","text":"本席要問的是，我們有沒有應用AI或……應該是先回答，我們整個交通有沒有應用AI？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:06.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:08.415000+08:00","text":"AI有沒有應用在我們整個交通上？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:09.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:27.509000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們AI的使用，其實在這兩年進步的相當快，交通部昨天也才開過AI推動委員會，我們是每半年開會一次，我們也跟NVIDIA接觸過，有些封閉式的路網，例如高速公路、例如蘇花路廊等，都會應用NVIDIA……","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:28.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:30.512000+08:00","text":"OK，沒關係，你這樣講下去，我的時間就沒有了。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:30.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:38.457000+08:00","text":"所以我想知道，因為不管怎麼應用，民眾的感受跟結果最重要，所以……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:38.457000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:39.457000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這兩年交通事故……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:39.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:42.499000+08:00","text":"有關交通事故的部分，有沒有下降？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:42.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:44.761000+08:00","text":"交通事故的死亡率已經連續幾年都是下降……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:44.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:45.761000+08:00","text":"下降多少百分比？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:45.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:46.602000+08:00","text":"有沒有數字？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:47.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:50.284000+08:00","text":"現在已經下降7%左右，大概百分之七點幾，今年跟112年相比……","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:50.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:56.308000+08:00","text":"死亡下降，請問是哪一類事故下降最多？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:57.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:38:59.414000+08:00","text":"酒駕的部分是下降最多的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:38:59.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:00.315000+08:00","text":"酒駕的部分？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:01.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:02.959000+08:00","text":"這是靠AI幫忙的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:02.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:06.764000+08:00","text":"這部分不是，這部分是靠警察協助取締跟大家願意守法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:07.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:17.696000+08:00","text":"所以我們臺灣的整個交通還沒有進入核心的AI治理，這一塊希望可以加強。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:19.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:29.141000+08:00","text":"再來就是有關減少塞車的部分，交通一個是要安全、一個是要流暢，我們最重要是要把時間……","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:29.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:30.621000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分的應用就非常多。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:31.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:45.795000+08:00","text":"對、對，最重要是要把時間還給人民，以現在的一高、二高，甚至所謂的縱貫路臺1線來講，我們有沒有整個交通的AI流控系統？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:48.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:57.006000+08:00","text":"報告委員，每次年節之前，我會到各個重要的行控中心去看交通紓解的狀況……","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:57.006000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:39:58.006000+08:00","text":"所以我們已經有運用了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:39:57.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:07.616000+08:00","text":"都是用AI在提醒我們去看它整個數字，跟前年比、跟現在比如何來降低，哪一條路要用什麼樣的替代道路，都是AI在做指導，請部長再做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:07.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:17.144000+08:00","text":"我們全臺灣，地方政府先不談，中央裝了多少個感測器？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:18.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:20.207000+08:00","text":"報告委員，感測器相當、相當多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:20.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:21.708000+08:00","text":"對，多少個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:21.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:23.189000+08:00","text":"因為國外我們都看得到數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:23.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:28.794000+08:00","text":"我現在沒辦法跟您報告整體的數據，因為它每天都在增加當中。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:28.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:29.794000+08:00","text":"裝在哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:29.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:30.794000+08:00","text":"我們所有的路廊……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:29.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:33.759000+08:00","text":"裝在主要的交流道還是路段？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:34.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:35.961000+08:00","text":"路段也有、交流道也都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:37.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:44.350000+08:00","text":"好，那如果是這樣的話，請問交通部有沒有建立一個全國AI交通平臺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:44.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:40:47.258000+08:00","text":"因為你的一高、二高……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:40:48.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:41:05.292000+08:00","text":"報告委員，正在建構當中，我們過去是各個體系，例如說省道是省道、高速公路是高速公路、蘇花路廊是蘇花路廊，那我們現在部裡面有要求，就是每一個系統要整合起來，不過那個大腦的建置需要花一些時間，我們現在跟NVIDIA……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:41:05.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:41:06.292000+08:00","text":"所以目前在進行中？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:41:05.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:41:14.100000+08:00","text":"對，我們跟NVIDIA正在討論那個大腦該怎麼建置，不然各自有各自的大腦，我們沒有一個整合的系統，那目前正在建置當中。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:41:16.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:41:41.856000+08:00","text":"因為像一高或二高的交流道，像本席從新竹每次要來臺北，我如果不坐高鐵，我就塞在環北路上塞很久，包含回去的時候，我想部長更清楚，我們從湖口、竹北整個一路塞，所以你建置了這些流控系統，但是有沒有發揮功能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:41:42.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:41:53.384000+08:00","text":"特別是交流道會塞，一定是下交流道之後跟地方市區道路有連結，所以你這個平臺建置之後，有沒有跟地方整個做連結？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:41:54.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:10.791000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個都有，我們所有的交流道跟地方政府的智慧行控其實都是包在一起的、都是串接在一起的，但交通還是有它的極限，我們的路廊跟路幅就是這個樣子，我們透過AI或透過科技可以減少行車的時間，可是不可能完全不塞車。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:10.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:14.852000+08:00","text":"所以現在全國的AI交通平臺正在建構中？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:15.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:16.633000+08:00","text":"什麼時候建構完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:16.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:22.838000+08:00","text":"各個系統其實自己都有了，包含您剛剛所提到的高速公路跟地方政府的已經建置完成。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:23.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:26.640000+08:00","text":"本席提的是全國性的AI交通平臺，您剛剛說正在建構？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:26.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:30.984000+08:00","text":"我們現在正在建構當中，但是這需要一些時間，我們跟NVIDIA正在談整個系統……","quality":0.543},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:30.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:32.585000+08:00","text":"那目標什麼時候完成？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:32.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:39.590000+08:00","text":"我們希望一年之內能夠把整個平臺建構起來，但這個要看各個系統整合的情況。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:39.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:42.693000+08:00","text":"等於2027我們應該有整個全國的AI交通平臺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:42.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:46.496000+08:00","text":"我們期待能夠至少有初步的、整個整合性的要做好。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:47.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:49.609000+08:00","text":"那我們有建構統一的資料標準嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:50.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:42:57.678000+08:00","text":"我們有個TDX系統，交通部所有的交通訊息全部都在裡面，這個系統其實我們已經開發相當久了，所以這個……","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:42:57.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:00.719000+08:00","text":"像這個有跟地方政府整個去做連接……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:01.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:15.127000+08:00","text":"有，而且我們有開放給很多的民間企業，例如說我們現在看到的Google Maps，它用的一些資訊就是透過我們交通部的TDX系統，所以很多的民間app其實是用我們這個系統，那地方政府當然也是串接在這上面。好。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:17.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:30.633000+08:00","text":"院長，我們將AI運用在各個方面，我們要的是民眾有感，而且它真的可以改善我們的交通，這是第一個，運用在交通。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:30.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:36.835000+08:00","text":"第二個，本席想請教院長，我們AI防詐做到了多少？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:38.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:40.175000+08:00","text":"我們現在有一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:40.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:43:43.558000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我這只是一個開頭。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:43:43.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:13.359000+08:00","text":"本席想先引用新加坡的例子，新加坡在2025年，就是去年，他們一年的數據是成功攔阻了2.6億通的潛在詐騙來電，有4,000萬的潛在詐騙簡訊也成功的攔阻，同時他們去年的詐騙案件下降了27.6%，總損失也下降了將近20%。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:16.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:21.245000+08:00","text":"我先問第一個問題，臺灣有沒有導入AI防詐？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:21.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:23.506000+08:00","text":"就是AI有沒有運用在防詐上？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:23.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:34.074000+08:00","text":"我們有一個平臺，上面就是用AI去尋找這些可疑的或是已經確認是不法的網站，會把它當作不法的行為來處理，這個請部長再做詳細說明。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:34.074000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:35.995000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們現在數發部建立一個網詐通報查詢網，過去一年多以來，我們已經下架通報了32萬則以上的詐騙訊息，這個有相當大的部分都是用AI的方式去網路上巡查找來的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:35.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:44:36.695000+08:00","text":"我請問你，你的攔阻率提升了多少？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:44:59.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:22.897000+08:00","text":"攔阻率基本上幾乎有90%，後來都攔阻到了，那其實只是時間的問題，我們把這30萬則以上的這個訊息通報給Meta以後，由Meta去訓練它的AI系統，就是教他們的AI系統認識臺灣的詐騙訊息長什麼樣子，結果他們去年通報我們已經攔阻超過780萬則的訊息，這些訊息在上架之前就已經先被Meta給攔阻下來了。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:22.897000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:25.218000+08:00","text":"非常好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:25.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:25.579000+08:00","text":"我們想知道，財損、財務損失減少有多少？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:25.579000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:42.861000+08:00","text":"財損的部分可能要問內政部的打詐中心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:42.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:44.503000+08:00","text":"院長，你不關心嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:44.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:45:49.487000+08:00","text":"人家說我們臺灣是詐騙的天堂，我們到底成效如何？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:45:49.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:02.539000+08:00","text":"我們每個禮拜至少會看一次由我們林明昕政委整理出每個禮拜的案件數跟財損數，但是你說減損了多少，這個可能現在要查一下數字，每個禮拜都在做不同的觀測當中。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:04.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:16.070000+08:00","text":"好，接著本席想要問，剛剛部長也有講到，我們AI防詐不只是辨識，更重要的是速度，所以我們想知道異常的金流多久可以攔阻？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:20.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:37.158000+08:00","text":"比如說異常金流、異常帳號以及異常的裝置出現的時候，我們可以立刻來攔阻或者是觸發它的延遲，還是要等到民眾通報以後、報案以後我們才能追？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:37.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:38.760000+08:00","text":"這一塊我們目前做到什麼程度？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:38.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:41.843000+08:00","text":"有關可疑帳戶，金管會比較有完整的資料。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:42.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:51.633000+08:00","text":"對一個可疑的帳戶我們想透過拉出一點時間，讓它的安全時間能夠有一個考慮的空間。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:51.633000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:46:52.633000+08:00","text":"所以，這就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:46:51.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:04.179000+08:00","text":"院長，本席這樣問就是希望……其實民眾最有感的應該就是詐騙，也希望您時時刻刻在這個部分能夠了解。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:05.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:17.867000+08:00","text":"所以有關現在臺灣異常金流的攔阻，我們很想知道AI攔阻是「秒」的等級，還是「分鐘」的等級，還是停留在「小時」的等級，還是「人工」的等級？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:20.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:33.549000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明一下，記得上次委員也有質詢過，我們接收到這個警示帳戶多久之後才可以凍結他的帳戶，我們上次也跟委員回報過大概是在20分鐘以內，基本上也就是立刻……","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:33.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:35.651000+08:00","text":"所以現在是停留在20分鐘的等級？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:35.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:45.199000+08:00","text":"不是，它有很多種狀況，第一種就是，當我們知道這是詐騙帳號的時候就會通知銀行，銀行就必須立刻把它凍結掉，我想這是一個。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:45.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:47:59.415000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員提到，假設銀行端自己就在做AI防詐，它覺得這個帳戶有可疑的時候，當然立刻就鎖控了嘛，等於是對民眾而言，比如可能有一些網路的交易……","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:47:59.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:04.924000+08:00","text":"OK，這些細節不是重點，重點在民眾最關心的是，我們現在的整個系統來不來得及擋住、攔阻？","quality":0.658},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:10.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:18.534000+08:00","text":"就像我剛剛講的，他們內部的AI啟動以後，立刻就會在他們的那個……比如這個帳戶的警示就會開始出現了。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:18.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:19.154000+08:00","text":"20分鐘還是蠻……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:19.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:24.799000+08:00","text":"不是，那個是說被警方通知的時候，通知要凍結警示帳戶的時候。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:24.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:28.442000+08:00","text":"等到警方通知就太慢了，那表示他知道他受騙了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆：那是兩種不同狀況","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:28.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:48:34.027000+08:00","text":"一個是警方通知；一個是銀行自主發現這個帳戶異常而進行管控，這當然就是立刻。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:48:36.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:09.870000+08:00","text":"我這邊有一個「詐騙財損暴增65%」的資料，這是趨勢科技揭發2026年的詐騙趨勢，其中長輩的受騙金額最高，年輕人的頻率最高，年輕人就是愛情詐騙，它已經進入一種養、套、殺的模式，根據趨勢科技調查，高達90%的民眾會擔心家人受騙，但是只有13%的人選擇報警。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:10.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:19.736000+08:00","text":"包括我周圍、我認識一些年輕人，他真的是在網路上被愛情詐騙，他不敢跟他的家人講，甚至也沒報警。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:20.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:33.165000+08:00","text":"所以本席接著要追問，我們的警政……院長，這一塊您真的一定要親自督軍，我們的警政、金融、電信有沒有即時串聯？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:33.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:35.586000+08:00","text":"不是串聯而已，而是有沒有即時串聯？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:35.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:36.646000+08:00","text":"我們現在到底有沒有做到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:37.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:46.589000+08:00","text":"打詐中心至少有165的專線，165的專線不僅是受理而已，也會建立一個後端的防制行為。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:47.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:49:52.090000+08:00","text":"現在本席所說的警政、金融、電信，有沒有即時地串聯？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:49:53.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:06.042000+08:00","text":"剛剛主委有稍微提到過一部分，對於這些警示帳戶，要確定它是警示帳戶之前，我們必須要慎重的去了解，不能影響到正常的金流和交易……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:06.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:06.443000+08:00","text":"當然、當然……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:06.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:07.984000+08:00","text":"但是還是以安全為主。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:09.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:32.251000+08:00","text":"剛剛本席所提到的，趨勢科技在最後有提到，其實最重要的是那關鍵1秒，我們要比詐騙集團早一步、早它1秒，所以AI的用途還有AI的應用更重要的絕對不是事後，AI絕對是及時的，及時的防弊、及時的攔阻。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:34.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:46.366000+08:00","text":"因為現在詐騙集團本身跨平臺、跨產業，還跨國際，所以我們政府絕對不能警政一套、金融一套、電信一套，那一定追不上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:47.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:53.050000+08:00","text":"請問我們這一個部分現在到底是不是可以及時共享、及時阻斷？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:53.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:50:58.552000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們數發部負責的是假訊息的部分，就是在詐騙還沒有真正……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:50:58.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:51:00.573000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在還是各做各的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:51:00.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:51:16.598000+08:00","text":"沒有，我正要跟委員說明，我們現在就是縮短詐騙訊息通報到下架的時間，我們現在跟平臺都是用電子通報的方式，像Meta、LINE和Google，因為我們要通知它把這個訊息下架必須有法源依據……","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:51:16.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:51:21.019000+08:00","text":"你們可不可以就直接回答有沒有及時串聯？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:51:21.019000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:51:22.019000+08:00","text":"剛剛彭主委和部長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:51:21.019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negative，這個事情是在理論上、學理上就沒辦法百分之百完全防範的。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:53:42.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:53:57.449000+08:00","text":"我們現在做的另外一個方法就是我們想辦法要求所有平臺還有所有AI產生的工具必須去標示說這個影像或者是這個影片是AI產生的，它必須去做標示。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:53:58.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:54:09.882000+08:00","text":"事實上，這個事情美國在以前的拜登政府時代，美國政府也都要求各大平臺去做標示，只是現在川普政府上臺以後，他對這個事情要求比較少。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-03-31T15:54:10.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:54:20.412000+08:00","text":"我們最近也在跟美國各大平臺談，我上個禮拜才去跟美國的Google談，就是要求他們要做標示，這是我們臺灣政府希望做的方式。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:54:21.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:54:29.338000+08:00","text":"對，剛剛部長講很多，當然本席也要特別強調，我們的政府現在一定要針對剛剛你提到的深偽的語音……是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:54:30.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:54:32.701000+08:00","text":"未來一定更多，包含進入選舉，一定有……是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:54:33.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:54:58.081000+08:00","text":"深偽的語音、深偽的影像、冒名的內容，政府要建立這種AI辨識的機制，跟平臺業者、電信業者一定要建立這種高風險的模型，以及快速通報、快速下架的機制，這一塊我們很希望政府能夠儘快把它做到，保護我們所有的人民。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:01.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:55:05.485000+08:00","text":"詐騙現在都是AI化了，所以希望我們的政府也能夠加緊腳步。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:07.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:55:23.079000+08:00","text":"接著本席要跟院長談的是AI醫療，我們有看到衛福部在AI應用上也是非常非常的多，有關遠距視訊醫療這塊，院長，您了解多少？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:23.079000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:55:28.168000+08:00","text":"隨著科技的進步，這是一個趨勢，尤其在比較偏鄉的地方，或是在比較行動不便者身上、長者身上，或是另外一些比較特殊的狀況，臺灣在這麼好的一個公共衛生體系底下，又有這麼健全的健保資訊，我們是有能力而且必須要開發這樣的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:28.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:55:29.389000+08:00","text":"現在做到什麼程度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:29.389000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:55:54.177000+08:00","text":"請部長說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-31T15:55:54.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:06.665000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，一開始，就如同院長提到的，我們的遠距醫療在健保的起步是先從偏鄉，就是原住民族地區或者是離島開始，然後逐步的擴大。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:06.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:09.847000+08:00","text":"現在已經進行到什麼程度？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:09.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:19.533000+08:00","text":"我們目前已經擴大到資源不足地區，涵蓋的範圍已經超過65個鄉鎮地區以上，同時也不限科別，一開始有限科別……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:20.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:21.394000+08:00","text":"它是遠距視訊還是AI遠距醫療，是哪一種？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:21.394000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:22.394000+08:00","text":"是遠距視訊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:21.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:40.005000+08:00","text":"本席問的是AI視訊醫療，AI遠距醫療包含AI五官鏡、AI心電圖，能夠很快的判讀，這個有在應用嗎？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:40.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:50.030000+08:00","text":"現在有部分在應用，比如說在視網膜的檢測，我們現在有電子的內視鏡，再透過AI協助判讀。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:50.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:56:55.853000+08:00","text":"OK，本席了解，所以現在是部分應用，之後會陸陸續續更全面的開始用？","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-03-31T15:56:56.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:57:15.365000+08:00","text":"有，我們食藥署有特別針對這一類的AI軟體，我們叫做Smart Device（智慧醫材），這要經過取證，因為它會涉及到診斷跟決策，所以它需要經過食藥署的查驗、登記許可之後才可以應用。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:57:15.365000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T15:57:16.365000+08:00","text":"沒關心，這個都是行政的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:57:15.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:58:11.485000+08:00","text":"本席想建議院長，AI時代來臨，為了更貼心地照顧我們很多的長者，包含偏鄉，也跟院長提議，其實像很多的園區，臺灣有很多園區，臺北、新竹、臺南、臺中、高雄都有，在這些園區裡面有很多的人才，也有很多的人在那邊工作，他們可能也很難特別請假去看醫生，可是現在AI的遠距視訊醫療，它只要有醫務室、有AI遠距視訊的這些設備，它其實可以連結到大醫院，也許他們就在園區內，大家可以利用中午的二、三十分鐘運用這個AI遠距視訊醫療，下班的時候他再去拿藥。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:58:12.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:58:22.490000+08:00","text":"AI時代來臨，其實我們可以為我們國人節省更多的時間，而且照顧他們的健康，我們希望未來這個可以加速地來進行，院長，可以嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:58:24.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:58:29.636000+08:00","text":"AI工作導入到生活是最需要的，我們要進入到應用的時代，所以無論公私部門……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:58:30.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:58:32.618000+08:00","text":"我們希望可以加速地來進行。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:58:33.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:58:39.603000+08:00","text":"這個目的就是我剛剛一開始所說的全民智慧生活圈，這就是一個AI生活的時代。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:58:40.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:17.406000+08:00","text":"包含我們走向主動式政府，本席接下來很快地再講一個，過去我們很多有關社福方面的AI應用，可能都是民眾有需求來申請，但是我們有了AI，並應用在政府治理，我們可以走向主動式政府，譬如說生育補助，不是等民眾來申請，政府就知道了，因為政府會有很多的數據，生育補助、低收入戶、中低收入戶，甚至身心障礙者的補助，我們希望在社福方面也可以積極地來應用，院長，可以嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:17.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:22.914000+08:00","text":"是，這個也是在AI新十大建設當中有個資料治理的區塊。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:22.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:28.061000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望臺灣進入AI時代，我們也能夠跟上這整個潮流。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:28.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:28.541000+08:00","text":"是，我們要加快腳步。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:31.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:51.258000+08:00","text":"我們要進入AI時代就要有很多的算力，電力就是算力，我想這個大家都很清楚，所以接著就要來請問行政院，有關電力的部分，行政院有沒有去做壓力測試？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:51.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T15:59:53.238000+08:00","text":"哪一種國安級的壓力測試？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T15:59:53.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:00:19.904000+08:00","text":"第一個，AI時代來臨，我們AI新增的電力負載；還有突發的狀況，碰到中東能源的衝擊；再來，現在3月底，馬上就要4月份了，5、6、7、8月進入夏季尖峰期，這三個重疊、疊加下來，在國安級的壓力測試下，院長，本席想請教你，電會夠用嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:00:22.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:00:35.576000+08:00","text":"從2024年一直到現在，每一次經濟部、台電所送出來的報告，對於我們AI的成長、用電的成長、經濟發展的成長都有精算在內，而且每一次精算，到20……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:00:36.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:00:39.999000+08:00","text":"AI還沒有進入到最大的應用跟整個計算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:00:40.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:00:41.881000+08:00","text":"對，所以它都有用比較寬裕的計算，現在中東的戰爭倒是我們要重新評估的。","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:00:47.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:00:53.193000+08:00","text":"對，所以本席想請教，如果天然氣進口中斷14天、21天、1個月、2個月，該怎麼辦？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:00:58.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:02.354000+08:00","text":"我們儘量在分散市場，而且我們也有計畫……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:02.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:04.835000+08:00","text":"分散市場，然後買更貴的，但能買多久？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:04.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:14.421000+08:00","text":"不，我是說長期，我們長期在分散市場，而且我們現在已經有計畫要擴充我們安全存量的儲氣槽，我們希望把安全天數再往上多增加。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:15.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:22.146000+08:00","text":"院長，剛剛第一個問題你沒有正面回答，我相信這三重疊加下來，我們的電力一定不夠。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:23.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:28.628000+08:00","text":"面對電力不夠，今年夏天一定會碰到，請問哪一區會先撐不住？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:29.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:32.509000+08:00","text":"然後我們哪一條主幹線會先超載？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:32.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:35.350000+08:00","text":"哪些方面會開始被限縮？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:35.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:50.554000+08:00","text":"舊有的燃煤機組都會轉換成燃氣機組，它的發電量都會倍增，所以我們現在是有比較多，從大林、興達、臺中等有六大電廠會持續的來進行更新，這個就會增加我們現在……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:51.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:01:58.598000+08:00","text":"這邊有一份清大教授李敏說的，2025年起，每年夏天都會缺電。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:01:58.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:00.219000+08:00","text":"院長，你認同嗎？2025年？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:00.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:02.040000+08:00","text":"2025年，就是從去年開始，每年夏天……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:02.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:07.123000+08:00","text":"去年我們並沒有，去年我們還好，沒有大缺電，我們的安全量都還在6%以上……","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:07.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:10.124000+08:00","text":"院長，每次一缺電就跳電。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:10.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:12.526000+08:00","text":"缺電跟跳電是不一樣的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:12.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:17.208000+08:00","text":"我跟您報告，有多少的……就是因為缺電所以才跳電啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:17.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:20.312000+08:00","text":"不，有的是因為外來的因素，我說過，停電、缺電、跳電是不一樣的。","quality":0.36},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:20.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:30.543000+08:00","text":"臺灣很多中小企業一跳電，他的機器就燒壞了，幾百萬、幾千萬的損失他真的是自己吞下去，所以……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:31.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:33.406000+08:00","text":"請次長說明一下去年的用電情況。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:33.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:37.991000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們每年都有在做電力的供需調查……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:38.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:39.752000+08:00","text":"次長，你覺得電夠用嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:39.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:40.752000+08:00","text":"剛剛本席所說的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:39.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:45.979000+08:00","text":"其實電力是夠用的，跟委員報告，剛剛您提到AI的算力增加進來的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:45.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:02:48.041000+08:00","text":"三重疊加下來，夠用嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-03-31T16:02:48.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:06.883000+08:00","text":"我們有預估過，到2030年我們會需要增加5GW的電力，但是到2034年我們可以新增12.2GW的電力，其實這個部分我們都有做一個長期的推估，而且保證到2032年以前是不會有缺電的情況。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:08.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:18.598000+08:00","text":"現在中東的戰爭到底會引起多少油氣供應設備的損失，以及它破壞之後要多少時間可以恢復？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:18.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:20.358000+08:00","text":"這些是我們過去沒有評估的……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:20.358000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:21.358000+08:00","text":"我想這個沒有辦法用口號……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:20.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:28.042000+08:00","text":"我們希望這個戰爭能夠急速的弭平下來，讓所有的設備能夠恢復，供需秩序能夠回復到正常。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:28.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:39.157000+08:00","text":"所以本席也想繼續問，電真的不夠用的時候，請問院長，你到底是先保哪一個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:39.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:40.138000+08:00","text":"是先保科技嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:41.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:48.427000+08:00","text":"電不夠用的時候，你是先保科學園區，還是先保醫療，先保通訊、軍事國防還是民生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:49.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:03:51.030000+08:00","text":"我們很擔心最後都是犧牲民生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:03:52.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:03.955000+08:00","text":"民生還是最優先的，沒有民生、沒有讓人民能夠安全生活下來，即使有科技，還是沒有人，所以我們認為民生用電是優先的，我們逐年在調整電價的時候，民生也是最穩定的。","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:04.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:07.857000+08:00","text":"最後，行政院可不可以在兩週內提出區域電網獨立運作壓力的測試報告，就是剛剛本席說的，可以嗎？","quality":0.512},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:07.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:11.625333+08:00","text":"我們再請經濟部和台電……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:11.625333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:15.393667+08:00","text":"兩週內提供給我們三重壓力的測試報告，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:15.393667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:19.162000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:19.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:23.686000+08:00","text":"謝謝，麻煩請行政院送徐欣瑩委員要求的報告，謝謝徐欣瑩委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長的備詢。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:24.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:36.186000+08:00","text":"報告院會，本會期排定政黨質詢的委員均已質詢完畢，謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長以及各部會首長列席答詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:36.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:45.343143+08:00","text":"依照協商結論，4月7日星期二上午9點繼續開會，進行立法委員個人質詢內政組。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:45.643143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:53.928857+08:00","text":"非常感謝牛煦庭委員今天陪同我們一起參與今天的總質詢，現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T16:04:54.228857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T16:04:55.371714+08:00","text":"休息（16時4分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}