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3B這樣的一個公式還要繼續嗎還是我們要做一個怎麼樣的調整可不可以請次長做個說明"},{"start":266.315,"end":284.35,"text":"因為我們那個那個油的進口我們希望說能夠盡量未來會減少在中東方面的這個油源所以目前我們從中東這邊進口的狀態已經低於四成可是我們的浮動油價消費者買到的油的時候呢還是用比較"},{"start":284.79,"end":304.869,"text":"高的中東的油價這邊來當作大頭啊來算那我覺得這某個部分等於是中油佔了消費者的便宜總統竟然還叫我們經過中油要跟中油講謝謝我都覺得這很混淆啊跟我們報告因為像這個中油最近他們在調度這個這個天然氣的這個傳"},{"start":305.99,"end":313.997,"text":"這個部分都沒有特別的問題我也理解這個狀態那我只是覺得說我們對於原本7D、3B這樣的浮動油價的計算公式是不是在這個時間點應該要稍微做一點調整我們會做檢討"},{"start":329.77,"end":353.996,"text":"不做檢討最後的部分因為我們今天這邊也特別講到了一個AI在對傳統產業的部分我想請教一下國發會跟經濟部因為現在我們整個的傳統產業能夠導入AI的狀態他們說條件非常的不成熟光是人才大概就沒有辦法真的在傳統產業除非很大型的傳統產業它可以"},{"start":355.476,"end":372.289,"text":"吸納到這樣的一個人才那對於這樣子的一個情況的時候我們國發會所提出來的一個新十大建設部分我們經濟部這邊具體在落實在傳統產業這邊的一個AI升級到底有沒有足夠"},{"start":374.03,"end":389.321,"text":"人才這邊怎麼去做然後AI在傳統產業這邊有多少的關卡那甚至於說有一些傳統產業他們一些老舊的機台我們要不要怎麼去做幫協助他們做更新當這些基礎條件都沒有不夠的時候傳統產業怎麼去導入AI"},{"start":391.142,"end":416.774,"text":"在這邊跟委員報告就整個人才培育的角度來講的話我們有分兩大面一個是國內跟國外國外的話我們當然是積極地從國外去攬去攬才攬一些AI的人才在國內的話我們也有兩大部分也是國外攬才怎麼到傳統產業裡面去你要到高科技產業本身可以理解傳統產業要找人其實是非常困難的一個狀態尤其是要AI的專業人才那你要怎麼去協助傳統產業的一個轉型"},{"start":419.255,"end":420.777,"text":"在那個傳統產業這一個部分的話其實經濟部這邊也有成立所謂的輔導中心那有北中南東這四個輔導中心那另外就是那個速發部也有提出人才認證的一個引導啦這個部分"},{"start":434.352,"end":461.1,"text":"主委站起來了我不站太多的時間請經濟部這邊給本席一個更詳細的希望我們執行到哪裡因為目前傳統產業大概只有20%左右的時候有開始去接觸AI還有超過七成以上的產業他們其實還在一個荒漠當中我們要怎麼協助他們還是要怎麼協助他們做不同的轉型轉型不一定是AI轉型我覺得這部分請經濟部給本席一個更詳細的一個報告跟說明謝謝謝謝政經協議委員歡迎請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:23.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:28.442000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想請一下國發會主委及經濟部次長。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:28.442000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:31.394000+08:00","text":"請經濟部何次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:31.394000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:34.346000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:34.346000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:37.298000+08:00","text":"主委早、次長早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:37.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:03.555000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席今天特別安排能源轉型及AI產業與傳統產業相關的備詢，針對能源政策的部分，我特別關心核能重啟的問題，其實核安會也具體表示在3月27號已經收到台電送出的核三再運轉計畫書，這部分沒有問題嘛！","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:03.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:04.796000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:04.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:11.841000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，針對我們的核能政策轉彎，經濟部有沒有估算我們的社會到底付出了多少成本？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:15.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:16.223000+08:00","text":"有沒有具體的數字？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:16.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:25.408000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這會牽涉到……因為目前正在做自主安全檢查，自主安全檢查就是要了解設備現在老化的程度和態樣……","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:25.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:35.332000+08:00","text":"理解，設備是另外一個問題，我想知道的是針對整個政策的轉彎，我們的社會跟老百姓到底擔負了多少成本？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:36.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:10.729000+08:00","text":"我特別講一下，事實上賴總統曾提到核電重啓的三個背景，包括AI產業的爆發及需求、國際低碳的轉型以及全球地緣政治，其實這三個狀態長期來看都沒有變，因為這三個東西並不是突然間出現的變化，我相信我們的行政部門本來都是預計在這裡頭，可是光是這樣一個能源政策的髮夾彎，我們到底花了多少成本？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:11.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:13.732000+08:00","text":"請經濟部之後給我一個很詳細的數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:14.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:22.399000+08:00","text":"以目前來說，針對核能政策的轉彎，到底我們的社會承擔了多少成本的猜測不一而足、有不同的說法。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:22.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:56.938000+08:00","text":"我簡單講一下，有人說從離岸風電這個部分來看，20年的躉購價格就要多1兆，這是一個說法；也有人說這幾年我們在火力發電、天然氣發電所投入的資金可能要多個5,000億左右，而我們這幾年補助台電可能又有4,000億等等，有各式各樣的說法；當然也有人提到光是這樣的能源轉型，搞不好就有數兆元的支出。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:57.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:13.629000+08:00","text":"我希望經濟部能夠提一個很具體的評估報告出來，因為這裡面可能有些是重疊的，可是有些是沒有算到的，像我們的社會成本、環境成本都沒有算進去，我希望經濟部能夠給本席一份很清楚的分析報告，大概多久可以給？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:20.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:21.033000+08:00","text":"押一個時間好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:22.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:24.294000+08:00","text":"面對這麼重大的政策轉彎，應該本來就會有啊！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:24.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:27.135000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，給我們3個月的時間可以嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:27.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:27.535000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:28.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:36.897000+08:00"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業大概只有22%有開始去接觸AI，還有超過七成以上的產業其實都還在荒漠當中，我們要怎麼協助他們，還是要怎麼協助他們做不同的轉型？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-01T09:47:47.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:47:53.200000+08:00","text":"轉型不一定是AI轉型，針對這部分請經濟部給本席一份更詳細的報告跟說明，謝謝。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:47:53.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:47:54.080000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭正鈐委員，請先回座。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:47:54.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:47:57.722857+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}