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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T10:42:19.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:42:23.839000+08:00","text":"按照這個公式應該是有調降啊！","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T10:42:23.839000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:42:28.120000+08:00","text":"怎麼又漲價呢？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"張總經理敏","start":"2026-04-01T10:42:28.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:06.938000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們國內油品價格的調整是按照國際價格的漲幅、幅度，目前以布蘭特來講的話，已經漲百分之七十，大家可以看到我們國內零售價格的漲幅是遠低於它的，所以油品組合的比例事實上是政府跟中油在談吸收部分的多寡，而社會大眾認為我們好像沒有吸收這麼多，其實重點在這裡，但是重要的是，我們要讓國內的油品供應無虞，量要充分供應，至於價格方面我們來讓民眾感覺到波動比較少。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"張總經理敏","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:09.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:35.992000+08:00","text":"至於剛才提到的那個比例，在過去這二十年來，中油公司隨著時勢的改變也經過了九次的調整，目前我們也在找各個研究機構來協助，開始要找他們來檢討，譬如過去這段時間運費漲了這麼多，但是原來的浮動油價機制沒有考慮運費，像現在這種情況下荷姆茲海峽不能動了等等，把這些因素一併納入……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:38.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:11.683000+08:00","text":"謝謝你的說明，不管怎麼樣，應該要檢討油價的計算公式，你剛剛也說了，請經濟部跟中油共同去檢討，不漲價當然是最好，請你們去想辦法，世界要和平，不要有戰爭，這是最重要的，謝謝。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:12.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:15.205000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員，請官員先回座。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:16.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:18.287000+08:00","text":"現在休息5分鐘。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:18.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:19.929857+08:00","text":"休息（10時44分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:20.229857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:21.944143+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時49分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:22.244143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:23.387000+08:00","text":"繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:23.687000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:28.258429+08:00","text":"下一位質詢廖先翔、廖先翔、廖先翔不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:28.558429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:31.701286+08:00","text":"林岱樺、林岱樺、林岱樺不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:32.001286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:35.144143+08:00","text":"林楚茵、林楚茵、林楚茵不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:35.444143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:38.587000+08:00","text":"洪孟楷、洪孟楷、洪孟楷不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:38.887000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:42.029857+08:00","text":"李坤城、李坤城，李坤城不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:42.329857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:45.472714+08:00","text":"葉元之、葉元之、葉元之不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:45.772714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:48.915571+08:00","text":"何欣純、何欣純、何欣純不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:49.215571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:52.358429+08:00","text":"吳思瑤、吳思瑤、吳思瑤不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:52.658429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:55.801286+08:00","text":"陳亭妃、陳亭妃、陳亭妃不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:56.101286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:59.244143+08:00","text":"陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:59.544143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:02.687000+08:00","text":"蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:02.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:06.129857+08:00","text":"張嘉郡、張嘉郡、張嘉郡不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:06.429857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:09.572714+08:00","text":"林倩綺、林倩綺、林倩綺不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:09.872714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:12.158429+08:00","text":"徐欣瑩、徐欣瑩不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:12.458429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:17.601286+08:00","text":"兩位委員，會議都按照時序進行，已經跳過了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:17.901286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:18.901286+08:00","text":"跳過嘍？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:19.201286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:22.629857+08:00","text":"但是你們來還是會讓你們講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:22.929857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:25.787000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我就最後一個啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:26.087000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:33.229857+08:00","text":"都跳過了，所以我們就是廖先翔之後再讓你講，但是只能3分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:33.529857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:35.244143+08:00","text":"請廖先翔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:35.544143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:36.687000+08:00","text":"我就開始？","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:36.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:39.844143+08:00","text":"還是要再討論一下程序？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:40.144143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:51.572714+08:00","text":"因為剛剛有休息，休息之後你們沒有人來，時間到我就要繼續開會，沒有人來，我當然繼續念下去啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:51.872714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:54.444143+08:00","text":"剛剛是質詢到誰休息？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:54.744143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:57.315571+08:00","text":"我們從辦公室過來啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:57.615571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:58.615571+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:58.915571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:03.487000+08:00","text":"我是因為現場沒有人，我才宣布休息嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:03.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:07.787000+08:00","text":"休息完之後你們還是沒有人來嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:08.087000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:10.658429+08:00","text":"那會議要繼續進行啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:10.958429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:12.101286+08:00","text":"我跟你講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:12.401286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:18.401286+08:00","text":"我是說剛剛哪一個委員先到前面，結果把我們跳掉？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:18.701286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:32.415571+08:00","text":"沒有人先到前面，鄭天財質詢完後休息，下一位是廖先翔，休息之後我宣布繼續開會，沒有人來，我當然就繼續喊下去啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:32.715571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:34.715571+08:00","text":"我想說先翔、岱樺……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:35.015571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:36.015571+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:36.315571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:38.887000+08:00","text":"你們要準時，要提早來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:39.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:40.187000+08:00","text":"三位啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:40.487000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:43.344143+08:00","text":"我主持會議就是要公平。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:43.644143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:47.358429+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們再補充一下好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:47.658429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:48.658429+08:00","text":"這樣啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:48.958429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:56.958429+08:00","text":"你既然來了，就到你這裡，岱樺也來了，洪孟楷也來了，就3分鐘、3分鐘、3分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:57.258429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:59.544143+08:00","text":"請廖先翔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}