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這分寸是什麼我今天就是一個協商的功能我沒有立場代表黨團答應事情嘛這麼簡單嘛"},{"start":650.336,"end":678.304,"text":"因為立法院國民黨立法院黨團我只是選出來服務大家的幹部請問今天你們來把公文發到國民黨立法院黨團就等於國民黨立法院代表所有黨團成員答應你天下焉有事理啊院長委員你在這裡如果真的這種翻臉不認帳態度我也沒有話說翻臉不認帳他有帳可認嗎今天你明把一個人家沒有答應的事情硬要灌在羅志強頭上的時候什麼叫翻臉不認帳"},{"start":679.844,"end":689.698,"text":"什麼叫翻臉 你要說我翻臉不這樣 起碼把帳單拿出來嘛你也剛剛講我沒有答應啊 你又講我沒有答應啊我不用拿帳單 我只看這張臉翻臉不能照這張臉就好大家彼此看臉啦"},{"start":692.421,"end":710.34,"text":"彼此看臉不要這樣子把這個當兒戲說真的大家在談的時候一次兩次三次當然不是在媒體公開這樣來談一次兩次三次我從八月底九月三號十月十八號談了幾次日期我都記得清清楚楚繼續"},{"start":712.743,"end":734.158,"text":"你質詢啊 你質詢我啊我沒有質詢 我再回答你日期我都記得清清楚楚什麼時候談 發生什麼事情請問 哪一年 哪一月 哪一日羅志祥 傅坤琪還是任何人答應你那為什麼要拖到十月底 為什麼因為我答應在你們新主席選出來之後再來談你們也答應院長 誰答應啊 總要有個人吧名字見不得光啊"},{"start":734.918,"end":748.608,"text":"你剛剛又說我沒答應 那好嘛可能是別人這個所謂的樂組代表答應了也許啊 把名字講出來啊你要有點承擔好不好我承擔什麼我答應了什麼我不願意講 你要有點承擔大家都知道我這邊公開授權你講啊"},{"start":750.711,"end":774.568,"text":"我讓你講啊 今天羅志強答應你 我馬上辭立委拿出證據來好不好 今天羅志強拿出證據 羅志強答應你你不會辭院長 我也不會要求你啊因為你從來不會做這件事啊在這個國會的殿堂上面誠信才是最重要可是今天我看到院長你今天就是什麼白不染黑嘛"},{"start":776.498,"end":789.648,"text":"白不染黑嘛我沒有答應你的事情你說一定要白紙黑字啊白紙黑字啊是沒有白紙黑字但是如果翻臉不認帳沒有白紙黑字就不算帳以後談什麼談啊謝謝你啊謝謝你啊真的謝謝你啊"},{"start":794.333,"end":812.928,"text":"這樣都可以叫做翻臉不認帳如果有路人假憑空說你欸 總裁院長你說答應給我五千萬你不給我那你總裁院長說你白紙黑紙拿給我啊我說你翻臉不認帳啊這樣啊我們有沒有跟委員說過請國民黨黨團推薦兩人請國民黨黨團推薦兩個等於國民黨黨團就要搭進移民進黨提名的四個有這種事情嗎那時候就是一個"},{"start":824.185,"end":826.788,"text":"談的就是這個樣子啊如果你認為各個黨團在這裡不能用這種談話的方式來形成一個共識大家來全力做的話"},{"start":836.584,"end":864.302,"text":"你今天不想要今天任命人士你講那麼多沒有法律的理由我不想為什麼要請你們同名今天在立法院議員堂上你連個證據都拿不出來我羅志祥今天從政到現在最後就是誠信喔這麼簡單我不想讓中選會正常運作我今天答應的事情我沒做到我今天會站出來如果我不想讓中選會正常運作我就提七個讓你反對就好了最後我告訴院長啦結論很簡單嘛"},{"start":865.819,"end":874.619,"text":"你都剛剛前面說我沒有答應又說不忍心公開我不知道你自己邏輯要怎麼圓嘛我說過了我不要再重複因為這個是"},{"start":876.144,"end":898.28,"text":"做人還有基本的一點分寸跟把握我不需要再一直強負重複好不好兩院之間能夠代表兩院談話的就是兩個人那我談好了我希望中選會能夠正常的運作所以請你們推薦大家一起通過否則我不需要這樣子做我明明知道你們不會同意的話那我不會讓人數人通過嘛"},{"start":901.246,"end":928.194,"text":"在你的國語辭典裡面 誠信兩個字完全改的啦只要一方說了 提了公文 提出訴求 背方就必須答應背方沒有沒做到就是背信我恭喜你啊 教育部趕快 有沒有教育部 教育委員會才會出來教育部趕快改國語辭典啦你有空回去看看當時整個媒體對你們太重最後一句話啦我真的是佩服大夥趕快說 國會官員可以說謊在這邊就公然說"},{"start":933.016,"end":933.038,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:22.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:23.391000+08:00","text":"有請卓榮泰院長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:23.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:24.472000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:24.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:24.512000+08:00","text":"羅委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:36.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:39.975000+08:00","text":"院長，請你喝口水，消消氣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:39.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:40.975000+08:00","text":"喝了，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:39.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:41.457000+08:00","text":"可以喝口水沒關係，消消氣啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:41.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:42.938000+08:00","text":"好，還好、還好，就事論事。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:43.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:49:51.666000+08:00","text":"待會我們不要生氣，也不要大聲，我們就平心靜氣地來談我們的憲政問題。好。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:49:51.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:13.328000+08:00","text":"立法院3月13號依法通過中選會主委被提名人游盈隆及委員被提名人李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬的人事同意權案，3月17號人事同意公文發給行政院，到現在21天，卡住了中選會人事不任命。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:14.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:27.363000+08:00","text":"前面的質詢我都聽過了，你的發言我也聽過，你一直強調這是誠信問題，背信嘛，做人要講誠信，沒錯吧，對不對？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:28.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:38.449000+08:00","text":"國民黨立法院黨團答應民進黨所有的中選會人事，我們通通要蓋同意，結果蓋了不同意，這就叫背信，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:38.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:41.670000+08:00","text":"如果啦，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:41.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:42.670000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:41.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:44.492000+08:00","text":"這個邏輯中間要有一塊，不能這樣講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:45.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:51.095000+08:00","text":"我舉個例子，院長，你邀請我參加活動，我答應你，結果沒出席，是不是我背信？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:51.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:53.676000+08:00","text":"沒錯吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:53.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:50:59.222000+08:00","text":"對於整個活動的影響跟你個人未來再被邀約的時候別人的考慮。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:50:59.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:00.083000+08:00","text":"我是講我啦，我就背信了嘛。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:01.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:06.591000+08:00","text":"你邀請我參加活動，我沒答應，結果沒去，你說我背信，你覺得對我公平嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:06.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:08.633000+08:00","text":"如果這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:08.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:10.675000+08:00","text":"如果你沒答應，我當然沒有辦法邀請。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:10.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:11.717000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:12.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:21.073000+08:00","text":"那我們就回到中選會人事同意權案，我想請問籌備期間的國民黨黨團幹部是誰，你知道嗎？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:21.073000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:22.374000+08:00","text":"也跟委員交……跟你談過。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:22.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:25.316000+08:00","text":"對，跟我溝通過，我是書記長嘛。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:26.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:26.616000+08:00","text":"是，你那時候的答……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:26.616000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:27.677000+08:00","text":"那時候名單送到我這邊來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:27.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:29.998000+08:00","text":"我知道你當時的回復是滿正面的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:30.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:33.319000+08:00","text":"我有正面啊，怎麼正面告訴我，把白紙黑字拿出來，怎麼個正面法？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:33.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:34.180000+08:00","text":"不是白紙黑字……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:35.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:41.723000+08:00","text":"我說歡迎民進黨提出人選，就像是我今天歡迎你卓榮泰舉辦宴會，等於我要出席嗎？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:42.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:44.044000+08:00","text":"你還說我們提出的人選相當有誠意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:44.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:45.985000+08:00","text":"我有說你提出人選相當有誠意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:46.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:47.325000+08:00","text":"拿白紙黑字出來嘛！如果……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:47.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:50.787000+08:00","text":"沒關係，stop、這邊stop一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:50.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:51.787000+08:00","text":"這個就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:51.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:55.009000+08:00","text":"主張者證，這是最起碼的論事標準。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:55.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:51:56.469000+08:00","text":"我沒有辦法舉證你的不誠信。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:51:56.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:11.075000+08:00","text":"那就好嘛，我羅智強是有沒有誠信的人讓大家、社會來評判，但是你要說我答應了，你要拿出證據來，我非常高興至少今天卓榮泰院長在這邊說是羅智強答應的，是嗎？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:11.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:13.096000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們在拜訪的時候……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:13.096000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:14.357000+08:00","text":"謝謝，沒有嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰：在現場你說過","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:14.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:16.778000+08:00","text":"我們提出的名單滿有誠意的。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:16.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:21.120000+08:00","text":"院長，你長得實在很帥、你長得很帥，我很欣賞你。不敢。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:22.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:32.806000+08:00","text":"所以代表今天提名人事同意權的時候，院長你進來，我一定要求全部國民黨黨團投給最帥的卓榮泰，是這個意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:32.806000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:33.806000+08:00","text":"不是，那貴黨……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:32.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:43.390000+08:00","text":"更何況我要告訴您，關於民進黨提的人選，坦白講，除了游盈隆以外我通通不認識，我怎麼樣去跟你講說民進黨人選很棒？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:44.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:46.192000+08:00","text":"貴黨推薦的人選我也不認識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:46.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:47.192000+08:00","text":"非常好，都不認識嘛。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:47.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:49.193000+08:00","text":"但是基於這樣的互信，我們就提出來……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:49.193000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:50.193000+08:00","text":"來，我們回到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:49.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:52:54.655000+08:00","text":"我也沒有去問他的黨籍、沒有問他的政治立場、沒有問他的政治事件選擇。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:52:54.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:02.854000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦，院長，好啦，院長，回到一件事情，你剛剛已經說過沒有答應了嘛，來，那請問誰答應的，傅崐萁答應的嗎？","quality":0.477},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:02.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:04.334000+08:00","text":"黨團跟黨團之間有黨團的交涉，當時……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:04.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:06.695000+08:00","text":"交涉有答應嘛，誰答應？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:06.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:08.256000+08:00","text":"黨團的幹部就是我，書記長啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:08.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:15.479000+08:00","text":"你們要求行政院正式發文給各黨團，才依照那個時間跟內容提出你們的人選……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:15.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:16.479000+08:00","text":"對，很好啊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:16.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:18.680000+08:00","text":"這就是一個意思表示的行為。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:18.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:20.061000+08:00","text":"這個意思表示叫答應啊？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:21.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:53:23.377000+08:00","text":"如果你要這樣講，政治要談到什麼程度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:53:24.397000+08: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xt":"你們的回答就是按照時間提出人選啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:56:41.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:56:51.280000+08:00","text":"院長，我告訴你，我們提人選、你們提人選，本來到立法院，不是羅智強同意就能過的，也不是韓國瑜同意就能過的啊！好啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:56:51.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:56:54.162000+08:00","text":"那我知道以後怎麼跟立法院溝通了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:56:54.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:56:55.463000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，謝謝你啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:56:55.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:56:57.906000+08:00","text":"你這種態度，不會造成兩院……院長……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:56:58.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:06.914000+08:00","text":"我知道……我們提出這樣的方式之後，你們也肯定，社會也認為這是善意的第一步，結果善意的第一步今天淪落到這種地步，不是嗎？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:08.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:11.959000+08:00","text":"善意的第一步，發文等於同意，等於一定要通過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:11.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:17.931000+08:00","text":"我知道你的善意真的如泰山之重，人家承受不起，真的承受不起啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:18.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:23.594000+08:00","text":"照你這種方式，路邊隨便發文去請人家嫁給他，通通都要答應了，沒有這一回事啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:23.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:24.534000+08:00","text":"你這比喻不倫不類啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:24.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:27.696000+08:00","text":"院長，我要告訴你下一個，今天為什麼詐騙這麼嚴重？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:27.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:28.216000+08:00","text":"我要問問院長……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:29.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:29.837000+08:00","text":"就是因為這樣子啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:30.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:31.038000+08:00","text":"就是因為你這個樣子嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:31.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:31.958000+08:00","text":"就是因為你們這樣子才詐騙這麼嚴重，大家都在看啊！","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:31.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:57:32.299000+08:00","text":"沒關係，詐騙問題你要扯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:57:32.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:09.192000+08:00","text":"我想問你下一個問題，這個問題我們給社會公判，但我只做一個很簡單的結論：國民黨立法院黨團從來沒有同意今天民進黨送來的人士必須通過；第二點，國民黨立法院黨團是按照國民黨立法院所有委員大家共同的意志，今天認為民進黨、國民黨、民眾黨提的名單當中，游盈隆是一個民進黨提名的主委，我們認為他適任，所以我們投下同意票，另外3位我們認為不適任，所以投下不同意票。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:10.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:17.119000+08:00","text":"接下來我要跟各位講一件事情，中選會以目前來講，請問還有多少委員在任？8位。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:17.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:22.283000+08:00","text":"目前，加上4個通過的嘛！4位。4位嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:22.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:26.545000+08:00","text":"加上4個通過的就是8個，對不對？是。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:26.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:29.187000+08:00","text":"8個裡面幾個是民進黨提名的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:29.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:30.187000+08:00","text":"我不知道，我從來沒有問他們的黨名。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:29.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:32.449000+08:00","text":"前面那4個就是民進黨提名的。沒有！是啦！沒有！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:32.449000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:33.449000+08:00","text":"查查看啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:33.449000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:34.449000+08:00","text":"好，查查看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:32.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:33.510000+08:00","text":"去查查看。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:33.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:34.510000+08:00","text":"查查看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:34.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:34.750000+08:00","text":"我現在問你，李進勇都說過了，中選會幾個人可以開會？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:34.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:36.141600+08:00","text":"中選會過半就可以開會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:36.141600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:37.533200+08:00","text":"5個人啊，對不對？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:37.533200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:38.924800+08:00","text":"現在4個人沒辦法開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:38.924800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:40.316400+08:00","text":"沒辦法開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:40.316400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:41.708000+08:00","text":"沒辦法開會，今天選舉如果選務耽擱的話，請問院長，這個責任是誰要負擔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:41.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:58:58.164000+08:00","text":"所以我說我來補足程序，我另外提3個人，請大院再來行使同意權。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:58:58.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:02.425000+08:00","text":"現在已經通過4個人進去，4加4等於8，數學好一點就可以開會了……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:02.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:03.425000+08:00","text":"不是，這是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:02.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:04.005000+08:00","text":"剩下3個，你可以繼續提，沒關係……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:04.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:06.466000+08:00","text":"這是你們精心計算的一場騙局！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:06.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:07.827000+08:00","text":"又來騙局了？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:08.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:14.729000+08:00","text":"院長，真的拜託你，公告一個新的法律，以後求婚不用對方同意……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:15.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:17.851000+08:00","text":"不要再用這種不倫不類的講法，在立法院的殿堂裡面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:17.851000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:18.851000+08:00","text":"您剛剛用這種不倫不類的方法來回答我，所以我用不倫不類的方法去講一個比喻。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:17.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:19.413000+08:00","text":"民主殿堂裡面談好的事情都能夠說沒有白紙黑字……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:19.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:20.514000+08:00","text":"「談好」兩個字，有「談」要「好」啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:30.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:31.616000+08:00","text":"你也曾經是黨團幹部……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:31.616000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:32.677000+08:00","text":"院長，再回來，我告訴你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:32.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:35.998000+08:00","text":"我也知道黨團幹部的辛苦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:36.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:40.119000+08:00","text":"我直接告訴你，你所有東西根本不合邏輯，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:40.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:44.121000+08:00","text":"第一個，你們有談，沒有人同意，什麼叫背信？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:45.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T09:59:52.324000+08:00","text":"問號一；第二個，我要告訴你，本人當國民黨立法院黨團書記長，我非常知道我的分寸，這分寸是什麼？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T09:59:52.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:02.937000+08:00","text":"我今天就是一個協商的功能，我沒有立場代表黨團答應事情，這麼簡單嘛，因為我只是國民黨立法院黨團選出來服務大家的幹部。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:02.937000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:04.097000+08:00","text":"羅委員，這叫……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:04.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:10.459000+08:00","text":"請問，今天你們把公文發到國民黨立法院黨團，就等於代表所有黨團成員答應你？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:11.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:13.400000+08:00","text":"天下焉有斯理啊！院長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:16.841000+08:00","text":"委員，你在這裡如果真的是這種翻臉不認帳的態度，我也沒有話說。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:16.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:17.841000+08:00","text":"翻臉不認帳？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:18.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:20.262000+08:00","text":"要有帳可認啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:20.262000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:21.262000+08:00","text":"這是大家談好的事情，好，沒有關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:20.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:27.304000+08:00","text":"今天你把一個人家沒有答應的事情，硬要冠在羅智強頭上的時候，什麼叫翻臉不認帳？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:29.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:31.989000+08:00","text":"你要說我翻臉不認帳，起碼把帳單拿出來嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:32.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:34.092000+08:00","text":"你有跟我講，我沒有答應啊！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:34.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:35.293000+08:00","text":"你有講，我沒有答應啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:35.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:36.716000+08:00","text":"我不用拿帳單，我只看這張臉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:36.716000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:37.716000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我也看你這張臉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:36.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:37.697000+08:00","text":"「翻臉不認帳」這張臉就好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:38.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:38.678000+08:00","text":"大家彼此看臉啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:41.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:42.602000+08:00","text":"彼此看臉啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:42.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:44.504000+08:00","text":"不要這樣子把這個當兒戲啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:44.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:50.651000+08:00","text":"說真的，大家在談的時候，一次、兩次、三次，當然不是在媒體公開這樣來談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:50.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:51.651000+08:00","text":"院長，其實就這麼簡單。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:50.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:56.377000+08:00","text":"一次、兩次、三次，我從8月底、9月3號、10月18號，談了幾次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:56.377000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:57.778000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你要繼續講可以啦，我讓你講到3分鐘結束啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:57.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:00:59.320000+08:00","text":"日期我都記得清清楚楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:00:59.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:02.964000+08:00","text":"繼續，你質詢我啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:03.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:07.167000+08:00","text":"我沒有質詢你，我在回答你，日期我都記得清清楚楚，什麼時候談的、發生什麼事情，為了選……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:08.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:09.889000+08:00","text":"請問哪一年、哪一月、哪一日？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:10.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:12.250000+08:00","text":"羅智強、傅崐萁，還是任何人答應你？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:12.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:15.012000+08:00","text":"為什麼要拖到10月底，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:15.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:19.455000+08:00","text":"因為我答應在你們新主席選出來之後再來談，你們也答應。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:19.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:20.796000+08:00","text":"院長，誰答應了？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:21.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:21.516000+08:00","text":"總要有一個人吧！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:22.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:23.138000+08:00","text":"名字見不得光啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:23.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:30.283000+08:00","text":"你剛剛又說我沒答應，那好吧，可能是別人越俎代庖答應了，也許，把名字講出來啊！","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:30.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:31.604000+08:00","text":"你要有一點承擔，好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:31.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:33.165000+08:00","text":"我承擔什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:33.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:33.866000+08:00","text":"我答應了什麼？好啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:33.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:35.867000+08:00","text":"我不願意講，你要有點承擔，大家都知道的事情……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:36.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:37.588000+08:00","text":"我在這邊公開授權你講啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:39.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:40.371000+08:00","text":"我讓你講啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:40.371000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:41.432000+08:00","text":"我尊重大院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:41.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:45.995000+08:00","text":"今天羅智強答應你，我馬上辭立委，拿出證據來啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:45.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:01:46.296000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:01:46.296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:false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:11.728000+08:00","text":"我不想為什麼要請你們提名呢？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:11.728000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:12.728000+08:00","text":"我不想為什麼要請你們提名呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:12.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:16.251000+08:00","text":"今天在立法院殿堂上，你連個證據都拿不出來。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:16.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:16.251000+08:00","text":"我不想……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:17.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:21.094000+08:00","text":"我羅智強從政到現在最重要的就是誠信，這麼簡單。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:21.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:23.676000+08:00","text":"我不想讓中選會正常運作，我就提7個讓你們反對就好了。","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:24.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:27.058000+08:00","text":"如果我答應的事情沒做到，我今天會站出來承擔。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:27.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:31.241000+08:00","text":"不是，我如果不想讓中選會正常運作，我就提7個讓你們反對就好了，但不是嘛！","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:31.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:40.733000+08:00","text":"最後我告訴院長啦，結論很簡單，你剛剛前面都說我沒有答應，又說不忍心公開，我不知道你自己的邏輯要怎麼圓。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:41.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:50.308000+08:00","text":"我說過了，我不要再重複，因為這個是做人還有基本的一點分寸跟把握，我不需要再一直重複，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:50.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:51.308000+08:00","text":"我告訴你啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:51.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:03:52.308000+08:00","text":"做人的道理，今天電視機前面的觀眾看得清清楚啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:03:52.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:04.277000+08:00","text":"兩院之間能夠代表兩院談話的就是兩個人，我談好了，我希望中選會能夠正常的運作，所以請你們推薦大家一起通過，否則我不需要這樣子做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:04.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:07.260000+08:00","text":"我明明知道你們不會同意的話，我不會讓人事來通過嘛。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:07.260000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:08.260000+08:00","text":"談好了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:08.260000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:09.260000+08:00","text":"院長，我怎麼知道你要不要這樣做？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:09.260000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:10.260000+08:00","text":"什麼叫做你要這樣做？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:10.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:12.827000+08:00","text":"在你的國語辭典裡面，「誠信」兩個字完全改了啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:12.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:13.867000+08:00","text":"因為你們的做法讓我不敢相信。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:13.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:23.070000+08:00","text":"只要一方說了，提了公文，有提出訴求，對方就必須答應，對方沒有做到就是背信，我恭喜你啊！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:23.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:24.050000+08:00","text":"教育部趕快，教育部有沒有來？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:24.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:26.151000+08:00","text":"教育委員會才會出來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:26.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:27.151000+08:00","text":"如果你有空回去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:26.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:27.911000+08:00","text":"教育部趕快去改國語辭典啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:28.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:30.912000+08:00","text":"你有空回去看看當時整個媒體對你們的態度。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:32.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:37.194000+08:00","text":"最後一句話啦，我真的是佩服大法官說國會官員可以說謊，在這邊就公然說謊！","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:37.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:39.979714+08:00","text":"國會可以不講信用……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:40.279714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:04:47.136857+08:00","text":"謝謝羅智強委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:04:47.436857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:01.151143+08:00","text":"我們即將休息，在休息之前要謝謝王鴻薇委員、陳永康委員、王正旭委員陪同我們一起參與上半場的施政總質詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:05:01.451143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:05.736857+08:00","text":"休息之後再繼續進行會議，現在休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:05:06.036857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:07.179714+08:00","text":"休息（10時5分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:05:07.479714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:09.194000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時21分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:05:09.494000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:12.922571+08:00","text":"報告院會，我們現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:05:13.222571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:05:16.936857+08:00","text":"接下來我們請李貞秀委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}