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這個我覺得大家都會非常認同的這也會是您的一個得證好不好那這個主席已經站起來讓我爭取一點點時間請問主委還有一件事剛剛我們都講英文AI Token請問Token這個詞在我們繁體中文你剛剛一直講主權AI嘛文化主權嘛請問繁體中文怎麼翻譯繁體中文怎麼翻譯我還沒有翻譯過 我還不曉得"},{"start":619.904,"end":630.612,"text":"我想全國民眾看到這段重播都會非常難過啦我們行政單位不要把主權AI當成一個招牌名詞掛在頭上"},{"start":633.869,"end":661.025,"text":"它比較接近應該是磁源因為它是用智源去生出來的東西但很不幸的磁源是中國政府公告的翻譯方式我們目前還沒有我們還沒有正式的翻譯是啊我們不是應該走在前面嗎台灣的晶片沒有這些晶片沒有這些Token的這些速度我們能不能我們主委作為AI的大家長我們能不能整理一下目前AI上面相關翻譯的問題不只是Token"},{"start":663.446,"end":691.6,"text":"還有非常多的什麼智慧體啦代理人啦相關的這些機制我想我們要有主權AI沒有這種文化性的定義不會有主權AI喔因為科學的進展很快啦科技的領域不見得能夠很即時的所有的名詞都有各種語言的翻譯不見得但是如果英文是通用的話像我們講AI也變通用啦大家都習以為常的話不會被誤解這樣應該是OK啦"},{"start":692.961,"end":700.796,"text":"主委我想我們有能力的人我們來做事我們有能力的人來找解方我相信主委您是有能力的人對嗎"},{"start":701.889,"end":725.737,"text":"當然如果token這個字已經用得非常頻繁那需要有中文的翻譯反正如果大家最後都習以為常我們產業上很不幸啦現在是在使用中國大陸的翻譯啦也許那不是最好的也許那個是我們可以接受的我們國客會可不可以有一個相關的定調啊可以嗎可不可以一個月夠不夠"},{"start":727.915,"end":743.61,"text":"我們不能指定說這個詞應該怎麼翻啦因為這民間不見得會接受所以這個可能有個程序過去這種程序就是外語翻成中文的這個程序那關於這個程序可不可以提供一些演繹的結果啊"},{"start":745.231,"end":769.164,"text":"我想这个真的是为了我们国内的科研一起在做事不好意思让主席这么麻烦我最后就希望说主委多协调一下我们战略特别委员会是一个很重要的平台提到了这个主旋的文化这种语汇的这种正式的翻译我也希望我们主委一起来努力还有包含科研的单位教授使用AI token的这些激励好不好好谢谢好谢谢好谢谢我们各位委员"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:12.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:13.087000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:13.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:14.187000+08:00","text":"有請吳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:15.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:15.488000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:15.488000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:21.269000+08:00","text":"葛委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:21.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:21.489000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:22.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:30.817000+08:00","text":"請問主委知道賴總統的英文名字裡面有哪兩個英文字母是您應該要非常關注的？AI？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:31.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:33.958000+08:00","text":"很好，賴總統應該也最重視AI。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:35.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:50.864000+08:00","text":"跟您請教一件事，去年年底我們千辛萬苦、一起努力，共同通過AI基本法，總統也在1月份正式簽署完成，這點你在報告裡也有提到。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:52.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:12.123000+08:00","text":"基本法第六條有提到，行政院要成立AI戰略特別委員會，剛剛也有委員問到，我們也非常關注這件事，您應該也在裡面扮演很重要的角色，所以請問主委，從去年底到現在四個月了，這個委員會辦理的進度怎麼樣？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:12.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:12.504000+08:00","text":"有沒有開會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:14.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:21.287000+08:00","text":"AI戰略委員會的規劃，從總統公布以後，我們就開始進行了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:22.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:23.007000+08:00","text":"有沒有開會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:23.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:26.169000+08:00","text":"有，卓院長都主持會議。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:26.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:27.289000+08:00","text":"有開過幾次會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:27.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.089000+08:00","text":"不是，不是委員會，就是籌備的會議。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.089000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:29.089000+08:00","text":"對，籌備會開過了。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.409000+08:00","text":"籌備會開過了。幾次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:28.930000+08:00","text":"什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:32.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:34.853000+08:00","text":"好多次，這個算不清了。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:34.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:35.333000+08:00","text":"算不清了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:36.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:43.680000+08:00","text":"我們發文請教你們的同仁，AI基本法所訂戰略小組之辦理進度，是怎麼樣？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:43.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:46.143000+08:00","text":"機密不能分享嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:46.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:48.404000+08:00","text":"為什麼是複製貼上？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:48.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:50.686000+08:00","text":"完全把法條複製貼上，您看一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:52.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:56.012000+08:00","text":"幾次會議了，為什麼不能分享，這不是辦理進度嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:56.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:57.972000+08:00","text":"不是，內部還在規劃。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:57.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:59.553000+08:00","text":"有沒有會議紀錄？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:59.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:01.954000+08:00","text":"你說無數次的會，有沒有會議紀錄？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:01.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:03.795000+08:00","text":"無數次是包含很多工作……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:04.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:06.816000+08:00","text":"就碰面，傳個LINE，也是無數次嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:06.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:15.439000+08:00","text":"不是啦，工作層級的會議，因為這是跨部會的，我們有三政委的會議，還有副院長主持的會議、院長主持的會議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:15.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:19.161000+08:00","text":"好，那能不能會後提供這些會議的日期、紀錄，可以嗎？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:19.161000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:21.403000+08:00","text":"這個相關的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:21.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:22.924000+08:00","text":"都提供出來，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:22.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:25.407000+08:00","text":"相關規劃過程、我們做哪些事，我們會提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:26.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:26.548000+08:00","text":"那日期呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:27.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:27.729000+08:00","text":"會議紀錄、日期呢？日期……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:29.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:32.854000+08:00","text":"我們這個政務系統不是用LINE在開會，沒有日期的吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:34.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:34.956000+08:00","text":"三政委什麼時候討論？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:34.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:35.417000+08:00","text":"哇，我們現在在國會裡要問，都沒有答案嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:35.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:35.877000+08:00","text":"幕僚傳來的訊息是法條複製貼上。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:43.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:50.027000+08:00","text":"我們一定會按照這個法在立法院通過時的決議事項去辦理，時程，我們也會依照……","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:50.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:52.768000+08:00","text":"沒關係，所以提供資料好不好？好。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:53.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:03.031000+08:00","text":"主委，我想其實非常簡單，因為我們現在已經過了三分之一的時間，法條裡面有提到一年內要開會嘛，對吧？是。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:03.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:03.831000+08:00","text":"認知嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:04.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:14.537000+08:00","text":"我想卓院長一定也認為很需要，國科會是幕僚單位，我想不要到時候卓院長要開會了，幕僚作業還沒有完成，這個我想不是我們希望看到的吧。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:14.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:18.139000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指派國科會來做這個事。誰？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:19.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:19.440000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:22.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:30.569000+08:00","text":"主委，我想我們是一個民主制度，我們立法院113位委員……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:30.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:31.569000+08:00","text":"遵照辦理，我們遵照辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:30.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:34.452000+08:00","text":"共同的完成，第六條有沒有表決？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:34.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:36.354000+08:00","text":"第六條有沒有表決？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:36.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:37.715000+08:00","text":"第六條有沒有表決？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:37.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:38.495000+08:00","text":"主委知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:38.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:38.876000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:39.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:45.117000+08:00","text":"第六條沒有表決，第六條是共識啊，所以是感謝委員們，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:46.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:47.438000+08:00","text":"感謝委員們。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:47.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:53:59.901000+08:00","text":"不分黨派嘛，所以我想這一點也是希望能夠持續關心，本席也要在這裡特別提醒主委，AI變化真的很快速，剛剛我在臺下聽，有委員質詢時您的回應是什麼？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:53:59.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:03.262000+08:00","text":"南部有一個新的算力中心是多少MW？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:03.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:04.402000+08:00","text":"您可以再說一次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:04.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:07.703000+08:00","text":"目前第一階段建置5.1。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:07.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:08.763000+08:00","text":"5.1嘛，那第二階段呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:09.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:10.993000+08:00","text":"第二階段要看後續的預算。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:11.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:17.607000+08:00","text":"是嘛，那我告訴您，您應該知道現在在美國建算力工廠的單位是多少，您知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:17.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:35.987000+08:00","text":"唉，美國那麼大的國家，他們的市場那麼大，我們國科會建的只是為了服務我們的學研，但是我們會引起民間的投資，所以民間投資……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:35.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:39.470000+08:00","text":"主委，剛剛這個問題很科學啦，美國的單位到底是多少啦？GW。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:39.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:40.090000+08:00","text":"對嘛，GW是MW的幾倍啊？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:49.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:55.017000+08:00","text":"這是科學的問題，不要不好意思，我們要有自信嘛，不是說不講就是沒有嘛！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:55.017000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:56.398000+08:00","text":"沒有啦，問這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:56.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:54:59.560000+08:00","text":"主委，GW是MW的幾倍？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:54:59.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:04.603000+08:00","text":"您停這麼久，我想我們全國學研單位會覺得很憂心喔，是幾倍？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:05.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:07.345000+08:00","text":"GW是MW的幾倍？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:08.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:12.089000+08:00","text":"這個我大一的計算機概論有在教學……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:12.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:16.211000+08:00","text":"對嘛，所以可以回答嘛，是幾倍？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:17.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:19.412000+08:00","text":"講那個沒有意義啊，臺灣不可能做這麼大的啊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:19.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:20.613000+08:00","text":"多幾倍嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:21.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:26.836000+08:00","text":"這個科學的問題，我們在這裡不能回答嗎？1,024倍。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:27.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:29.978000+08:00","text":"很好，就是1,000倍左右啦，對不對？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:29.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:31.198000+08:00","text":"1,024，不是1,000。好，1,024。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:32.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:37.502000+08:00","text":"那請問馬斯克剛宣布要做一個算力工廠的叫做什麼名字？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:40.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:48.815000+08:00","text":"叫Terafab，TW，TW又是GW的幾倍？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:49.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:51.898000+08:00","text":"我想也不用問了啦，再1,024倍嘛，對不對？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:55:51.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:55:54.560000+08:00","text":"所以主委，您剛剛說美國很大，晶片生產最多的地方是哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:00.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:01.572000+08:00","text":"是哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:01.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:02.013000+08:00","text":"臺灣嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:02.013000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:03.013000+08:00","text":"你是說先進製程的晶片？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:02.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:03.453000+08:00","text":"臺灣嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:03.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:12.676000+08:00","text":"全世界先進製程最好的地方在這裡嘛，沒有這些先進製程，他們有辦法蓋這些GW，有辦法蓋這些TW嗎？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:12.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:13.717000+08:00","text":"沒辦法嘛，是吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:15.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:31.941000+08:00","text":"所以主委，有能力的人找解方，沒能力的人找藉口，我想在這裡，我們在臺灣，我們要很驕傲地說出來，我們也可以談GW，我們也可以談TW，我們不一定要蓋在臺灣，我們可以跟人家合作啊！","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:32.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:56.621000+08:00","text":"是吧，我們可以跟這些產業談好一些合作的機制，這個其實就是我們期望在國家戰略委員會裡面要討論的，因為我理解，這很可能不是完全是主委的權責，但是幕僚機構早一點推進，可以從行政院的角度來說，院長，幕僚已經完成作業了，你怎麼還不召開？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:56.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:56:57.381000+08:00","text":"可以理解嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:56:57.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:01.442000+08:00","text":"主委，我想我們的意思是一致的啦，希望主委把這個事情放在心上。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:57:02.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:11.265000+08:00","text":"另外，這個最近很紅，我很崇拜的李宏毅老師有一個解剖小龍蝦的影片，主委有看過嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:57:14.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:14.983000+08:00","text":"你說影片？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:57:15.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:18.164000+08:00","text":"影片我沒看過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:57:18.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:29.088000+08:00","text":"很好，這個陳副主委應該有看過啦，李宏毅老師的影片，我在這邊幫李宏毅老師廣告一下，因為這部影片很長，大概兩個小時，但他非常精準地拆解了最近的這個風潮，OpenClaw的風潮。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:57:29.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:57:59.449000+08:00","text":"這一點，為什麼我要問，是因為有很多媒體或者一些人會擔心這個Agent很危險，但是我們還是要講，一個新的技術出來，風險的觀測是正常的，但是要看機會啦，所以我們也希望國科會能夠早一點去討論這個Agent應用在科學、科研這裡面的用途，也謝謝主委、副主委都很認同啦，尤其副主委一直點頭。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:00.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:06.279000+08:00","text":"我想要問的是，剛剛我們提到不管是OpenClaw，或者是這些AI Agent，其實會需要消耗什麼？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:06.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:10.005000+08:00","text":"AI Token，請問主委知道AI Token是什麼嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:10.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:10.305000+08:00","text":"就運算的輸出啊。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:14.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:27.645000+08:00","text":"運算輸出的某一種計量單位，或者一種概念，我想要請教主委的是，您支不支持科學研究去使用更多的AI工具跟AI Token？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:28.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:28.546000+08:00","text":"支持啊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:28.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:40.274000+08:00","text":"支持嘛，我能不能提個建議，就是我們在延攬國外人才的時候，能不能提供更多的AI Token來當作誘因，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:40.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:48.421000+08:00","text":"因為全世界都知道臺灣有很多晶片嘛，沒有這些先進製程的晶片，沒有AI Token可以產出，也沒有辦法輸入，對吧？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:58:48.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:58:59.571000+08:00","text":"那我們能不能去評估，臺灣不一定自己有很多的GW、TW的功能，可是我們可不可以跟別人合作？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:00.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:01.352000+08:00","text":"我們可不可以跟別人談條件？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:02.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:16.705000+08:00","text":"美國川普都可以說，你要出口多少，我要扣10%、扣20%，我要入股，這些比較激進的想法，我們留給戰略委員會，但是我們能不能去提供，第一個，國外的科技人才來臺，剛剛您提到什麼人口的問題啦，我覺得這都不是問題，我們能不能提供更多的誘因──AI Token？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:22.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:32.919000+08:00","text":"同時，如果教授做研究有需要用到AI Token，國科會能不能針對這些Token用得多、用得好的教授，我們給予多一點的補助跟支持？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:33.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:36.723000+08:00","text":"這個沒問題，這個建議很好，其實我們也是朝這個方向在走。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:36.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:41.087000+08:00","text":"太好了，那一個月內可不可以提供相關行動的可能性方案給我們參考？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:41.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:41.187000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:42.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:43.669000+08:00","text":"好，我們陳副主委會。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:44.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:59:49.011000+08:00","text":"這個部分我覺得大家都會非常認同的，這也會是您的一個德政，好不好？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T09:59:49.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:05.098000+08:00","text":"主席已經站起來，我爭取一點點時間，還有一件事要請問主委，剛剛我們都講英文AI Token、AI Token，請問Token這個詞在我們繁體中文，你剛剛一直講主權AI、文化主權嘛，請問繁體中文怎麼翻譯？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:05.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:05.698000+08:00","text":"繁體中文怎麼翻譯？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:05.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:06.078000+08:00","text":"我還沒有翻譯過，我也不曉得，代幣還是什麼，不過代幣只是其中的一種。","quality":0.379},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:17.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:28.592000+08:00","text":"我想全國民眾看到這段重播都會非常難過啦，行政單位不要把主權AI當成一個招牌名詞掛在頭上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:31.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:36.292000+08:00","text":"它比較接近的講法應該是詞元啦，因為它是用字元去生出來的東西。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:36.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:40.694000+08:00","text":"但很不幸的，詞元是中國政府公告的翻譯方式啦。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:40.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:43.756000+08:00","text":"我們目前還沒有正式的翻譯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:43.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:47.698000+08:00","text":"是啊，我們不是應該走在前面嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:47.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:52.021000+08:00","text":"臺灣的晶片，沒有這些晶片，沒有Token的這些速度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:52.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:00:58.424000+08:00","text":"我們主委作為AI的大家長，能不能整理一下目前AI上面相關翻譯的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:00:58.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:01:14.012000+08:00","text":"不只是Token，還有非常多的，像智慧體、代理人等等相關的機制，我想我們要有主權AI，沒有這種文化性的定義，不會有主權AI喔！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:01:15.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:01:26.899000+08:00","text":"因為科學的進展很快，科技的領域不見得能夠很及時的所有的詞都有各種語言的翻譯，但是如果英文是通用的話，像我們講AI也變通用啦！","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:01:27.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:01:29.580000+08:00","text":"大家都習以為常的話，不會被誤解，這樣應該是OK啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:01:30.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:01:38.796000+08:00","text":"主委，我想有能力的人來做事，有能力的人來找解方，我相信主委您是有能力的人，對嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:01:39.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:01:48.272000+08:00","text":"當然，如果Token這個字已經用得非常頻繁，需要有中文的翻譯，如果大家最後都習以為常，那自然……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:01:48.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:02.376000+08:00","text":"我們產業上很不幸，現在是在使用中國大陸的翻譯，也許那不是最好的，也許那個是我們可以接受的，我們國科會可不可以有一個相關的定調，可以嗎？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:03.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:03.737000+08:00","text":"一個月夠不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:05.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:17.406000+08:00","text":"我們不能指定這個詞應該怎麼翻譯，因為民間不見得會接受，所以這個可能有個程序，過去這種外語翻成中文的程序是教育部……","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:18.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:21.430000+08:00","text":"關於這個程序可不可以提供一些研議的結果？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:21.430000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:23.231000+08:00","text":"我們跟教育部來討論看看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:23.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:28.314000+08:00","text":"我想這個真的是為了我們國內的科研一起在做事，不好意思讓主席這麼麻煩。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:28.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:45.823000+08:00","text":"我最後就希望主委多協調一下，戰略特別委員會是一個很重要的平臺，以及提到的主權文化這些語彙的正式翻譯，我也希望主委一起來努力，還有包含科研的單位、教授使用AI Token的這些激勵，好不好。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:46.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:46.123000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:46.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:50.051571+08:00","text":"謝謝葛委員的質詢，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:50.351571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:08.923000+08:00","text":"有關於剛剛AI Token葛如鈞委員所關心的部分，陳副主委有承諾要提出具體的一個計畫，相關的一些資料也麻煩會後提供給本委員會所有委員，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:03:09.223000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:13.223000+08:00","text":"下一位質詢的委員是蔡春綢委員。","quality":0.143}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}