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是部長你講到重點在於是一般百分之八十九十的人其實接收訊息管道還是從YouTube如果說影片的話從YouTube從臉書社群媒體平台所以百分之八九十的管道如果說這些公司願意配合其實就可以減少很多誤判的一個形式所以還是要從源頭管理嘛你如果說你從這些細微末節譬如說要求每一個人用不同的AI工具生成之後然後都來做一個辨識"},{"start":606.448,"end":631.077,"text":"是不一定這個直接但是如果說上傳到這些平台上面平台他就有責任要揭露出說他到底是不是AI生成是沒錯我相信以現在科技現在技術也可以辦得到是所以現在重點在於是對就是本席剛剛講的因為本席剛剛提到有很多鄉親還甚至傳LINE給我問我說這是不是真的高鐵有現在的優惠"},{"start":631.717,"end":661.017,"text":"明顯一看第一他是AI生成影片第二這些高鐵上的優惠其實不是事實那他為什麼背後的成因為什麼要這樣做我們這還要釐清可是在重點在於是說YouTube上面能不能針對這樣子的一個影片尤其是我看了一下他的點閱率高達21萬次他不是只是幾百次幾千次21萬次的一個影片還持續在轉傳也因此是不是針對這個部分應該要求不管YouTube應該Meta"},{"start":661.477,"end":690.249,"text":"他們針對播放次數比較多而AI生成的影片他就有責任應該要先標示說這個就是AI生成以讓觀眾在點閱的時候可以有更清楚的一個判斷是 我原來這個建議非常好我們會朝這個方向進行跟YouTube那邊去商量他可能是一個全球性的一個政策但至少我們政府有責任就要率先提出來我們也要要求這樣部分什麼時候可以再跟他們溝通也給我們一個時間表吧"},{"start":691.249,"end":708.19,"text":"OK 事實上我兩個禮拜前才去那個美國那個Google的總部跟他談過然後一個禮拜前他們又來台灣就拜訪我就是要談這件事情談好幾個議題 這其中一個重要的議題是 但是把這個議題列為是一個重要項目並且有時間表讓我們知道"},{"start":708.57,"end":726.519,"text":"OK 好 那這個時間就是時間的預估我們在一個月內可以嗎就是先給委員因為這個事情因為我們沒有法律管轄權因為我們對Google去談我們只能說之以理然後動之以情因為這個我想大公司有社會責任有法律責任"},{"start":729,"end":747.856,"text":"可能說他們賺點閱率結果放任所有的使用者上傳不實的影片內容然後導致另外一個部分是如果說長輩看到那些影片他去要求高鐵公司高鐵公司說沒有結果到最後在那邊回北京這某程度上也算是我們的地方責任是沒錯沒錯"},{"start":748.837,"end":766.582,"text":"也因此本席才會說你至少有你可能沒有辦法百分之百但你至少你針對多少點閱率的影片你就有責任要去做了解以及釐清說它到底是AI生成還是真人拍攝以及它內容的一個真實與否那當然牽扯到言論自由但至少"},{"start":767.102,"end":784.555,"text":"他是AI生成影片的部分就應該要標示出來非常同意一個月內本席等速發布但我要求的是速發布要給我們實成以及你在每一次開會的時候把這列為是重要議題跟Google跟Meta來做溝通好嗎OK沒問題謝謝委員的支持"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:10.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:12.766000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝，麻煩請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:13.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:20.652000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:20.652000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:21.652000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:20.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:21.092000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:22.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:37.585000+08:00","text":"四大重點其中第一個是加強打詐，我想國人跟本席都非常關心，也希望數發部真的說到做到，所以本席利用質詢的時間再來跟部長講，你知道最近有很紅的詐騙手法是什麼嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:39.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:42.981000+08:00","text":"講的是LINE跟台灣大哥大的那個事情嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:43.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:43.481000+08:00","text":"台灣大哥大？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:44.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:48.744000+08:00","text":"對，有這樣的詐騙，但另外更重要的是，詐騙集團他們也都會與時俱進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:48.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:49.744000+08:00","text":"是、當然。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:49.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:05.353000+08:00","text":"所以最近4月瘋媽祖，詐騙集團也沒有放棄這個好機會，但我們已經有看到，台灣事實查核中心已經看到，其實有很多的詐騙訊息像免費的結緣品，這其實是假的。是。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:06.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:24.815000+08:00","text":"我們也看到，在台灣事實查核中心上面有看到，從3月就開始出現很多分享結緣品的貼文，而且他其實是要求民眾去留言說我要結緣等等的，後續他可能就會有私訊，有私訊後就會進一步去跟他做連結。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:26.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:45.986000+08:00","text":"這分兩種，有一種方式是他直接就是用詐騙的方式，你可能要匯款；另外一種是結合便利商店，貨到付款，可是最後到的東西可能是一個瑕疵品，或是根本沒有認證的商品，變成是他的一個詐騙手法。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:46.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:58.344000+08:00","text":"那我想請教，在這個部分裡面，以及剛剛數發部講了那麼多說不管是讓社群媒體平臺平均1.5小時可以下架，可是還是層出不窮。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:58.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:00.727000+08:00","text":"是、沒錯，委員講的沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:00.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:21.385000+08:00","text":"其實像這類的詐騙最困難的地方就是我們要認定它是不是詐騙，像結緣品還有瘋媽祖這些活動，事實上，我們知道這裡面一定還是會有一些比例是真實的訊息，但是有一些假的訊息，現在最難的就是我們政府在保護言論自由跟打詐中間必須取得一個平衡點。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:22.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:35.938000+08:00","text":"以台灣事實查核中心來講，這個單位做的查核是非常非常嚴謹的，但有一個問題是，它的速度非常慢，通常要一、兩個禮拜才有辦法去確定一個訊息是不是詐騙，在這個過程中，一、兩個禮拜之間，其實詐騙都已經發生了，所以我們現在……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:36.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:36.138000+08:00","text":"是，詐騙都已經騙完了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:36.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:36.358000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:36.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:01.599000+08:00","text":"通常很多詐騙是24小時內他可能已經收集一定的個資，詐騙集團他們現在想的是，不會一個帳號細水長流就可以騙，所以他可能一個帳號、假帳號裡面騙24小時，甚至12個小時，收集一定的個資之後就馬上利用這些個資去做詐騙，轉變手法。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:01.599000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:02.599000+08:00","text":"是、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:02.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:17.390000+08:00","text":"我們現在也看到，本席剛剛也特別看了一下數發部的通報網裡面，其實過去7天……在我們過去印象中，臉書詐騙是大宗。沒錯。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:17.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:25.455000+08:00","text":"但在過去7天，我看到你們的統計，其實Threads已經比臉書還要多兩倍。是。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:26.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:47.549000+08:00","text":"你看，這個是剛剛抓的資料，過去7天Threads上面有一萬三千多件，而臉書上面只有五千多件，所以換言之，我們過去以往會覺得臉書上可能年長者使用比較多，Threads可能相對年輕比較多，可是現在反而是Threads的詐騙訊息比較多，有沒有注意到這樣一個情況？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:47.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:31:18.862000+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生成的影片都必須做標示，第一個，美國這些大廠所生成的AI影像，事實上裡面都有浮水印，可以用軟體的方式、技術的方式就可以檢查出來是不是AI生成的，這時候這些平台應該要把它標示出來。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:36:06.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:36:15.841000+08:00","text":"針對這個事情，我們努力跟這些大型平台溝通，因為大部分都是美國公司，現在看起來他們是願意往這個方向配合。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:36:16.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:36:40.227000+08:00","text":"另外，如果是一些小廠或者是沒有標示的，我們就希望以後……譬如有人仿冒我的影像、做了AI影像的話，我通知這些平台，而這些平台就會有三個選項要求作者，第一個是移除影片，第二個是做標示，第三個是自負法律責任。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:36:41.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:36:41.487000+08:00","text":"現在這些……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:36:43.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:01.200000+08:00","text":"部長，你講到重點在於一般百分之八十、九十的人接收訊息管道，如果是影片的話是從YouTube、從臉書社群媒體平台，所以百分之八、九十的管道，如果說這些公司願意配合，其實就可以減少很多誤判的情事。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:01.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:02.221000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:02.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:23.432000+08:00","text":"所以還是要從源頭管理，如果從這些細微末節，譬如要求每一個人用不同的AI工具生成之後都做一個辨識，不一定直接，但是如果上傳到這些平台，平台就有責任要揭露出它到底是不是AI生成。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:23.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:24.052000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:24.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:27.013000+08:00","text":"而我相信以現在的科技、以現在的技術，也可以辦得到。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:27.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:35.856000+08:00","text":"所以現在重點在於，就是本席剛剛講的，因為本席剛剛提到有很多鄉親甚至傳LINE給我，問我這是不是真的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:36.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:44.302000+08:00","text":"現在高鐵有這樣的優惠，但明顯一看，第一，它是AI生成影片，第二，這些高鐵上的優惠其實不是事實！","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:44.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:45.422000+08:00","text":"那是為什麼？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:45.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:46.823000+08:00","text":"它背後的成因為什麼要這樣做？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:47.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:37:47.924000+08:00","text":"我們還要釐清！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:37:48.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:02.794000+08:00","text":"可是重點在於YouTube上能不能針對這樣子的影片……尤其我看了一下它的點閱率高達21萬次，它不是只有幾百次、幾千次，而是21萬次的影片，還持續在轉傳。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:02.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:20.842000+08:00","text":"也因此，是不是針對這個部分，應該要求，不管是YouTube或Meta，他們針對播放次數比較多用AI生成的影片，它就有責任先標示這個是AI生成，讓觀眾在點閱的時候可以有更清楚的一個判斷？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:20.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:26.945000+08:00","text":"是，委員的這個建議非常好，我們會朝這個方向進行，跟YouTube那邊商量。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:27.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:33.528000+08:00","text":"它可能是一個全球性的政策，但至少我們政府有責任率先提出來，我們也要要求這樣的部分。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:33.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:35.128000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以再跟他們溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:35.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:36.049000+08:00","text":"也給我們一個時間表。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:37.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:49.644000+08:00","text":"事實上，兩個禮拜前我才去美國Google總部跟他們談過，然後一個禮拜前他們又來臺灣拜訪我，就是要談這件事情，要談好幾個議題，這是其中一個重要的議題。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:49.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:38:54.170000+08:00","text":"但是把這個議題列為一個重要項目，並且有時間表讓我們知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:38:54.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:00.373000+08:00","text":"好，時間的預估，我們在一個月內，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:00.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:10.638000+08:00","text":"就是先給委員，因為對於這個事情，我們沒有法律管轄權，我們跟Google談只能說之以理，動之以情，因為他是……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:10.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:33.456000+08:00","text":"我想大公司有社會責任、有法律責任，不可能說他們賺點閱率，結果放任所有使用者上傳不實的影片內容，然後導致另外一個部分是……如果長輩看到那些影片，然後去要求高鐵公司，高鐵公司說沒有，結果到最後在那邊扯不清，這某種程度上也算是我們的地方責任。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:33.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:33.856000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:34.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:55.984000+08:00","text":"也因此本席才會說你至少有……你可能沒有辦法百分之百，但你至少針對多少點閱率的影片就有責任要去了解，以及釐清它到底是AI生成還是真人拍攝，以及內容的……真實與否當然牽扯到言論自由，但至少它是AI生成影片的部分應該要標示出來。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:55.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:39:56.405000+08:00","text":"是，非常同意。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:39:57.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:09.174000+08:00","text":"好，一個月內，本席要求的是數發部要給我們時程，以及你在每一次開會的時候把這列為重要議題跟Google、跟Meta溝通，好嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:09.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:09.755000+08:00","text":"OK，沒問題！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:09.755000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:10.755000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:09.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:10.535000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員支持，謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:11.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:13.606429+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:13.906429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:17.049286+08:00","text":"接下來請萬美玲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}