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尤其這個通膨症這個越來越嚴重的情況之下"},{"start":448.53,"end":469.711,"text":"那讓詐騙似乎更有機可乘在這樣的一個情況之下要怎麼樣有效的去遏止新型態的AI詐騙我想這個規範是非常的重要所以本席具體要請教你要怎麼樣明確這個法律責任跟這個監理的一個機制而不是只有靠平台的一個制律"},{"start":471.313,"end":484.092,"text":"這個在法律面來講分成兩部分來講第一個我們是希望所有AI生成的影像都必須標示明確標示它是AI生成的那這件事情我們那個你所謂的必須標示當然民眾希望啊什麼時候可以落實"},{"start":485.374,"end":509.924,"text":"這個因為我們必須跟美國的你現在談的進度怎麼樣請教你認為成功率如何兩個禮拜前我到Google在那個San Francisco的那個總部已經跟他們談過一次然後隔一個禮拜以後他們那個亞太區的總裁馬上就跑來找我我們在會談中都有談到這個事情有一個溝通那你認為你預估什麼時候可以讓民眾來放心有這個標誌"},{"start":511.204,"end":534.527,"text":"是我們現在先從那個勸說的方式希望他們去主動標示那在立法因為這個立法當然還有立法的過程那我們現在希望說就是說不用動到立法那個Google或者是Meta這樣的平台都能合作那目前我們已經得到Google的友善回應他們願意往這個方向去發展那你認為什麼時候可以開始讓我們民眾可以安心"},{"start":534.887,"end":563.278,"text":"我們是希望說可以有這個標誌一個月之內我們是希望六個月之內對 但是這是我們的希望那因為這個當然你要有一個KPI指標才能夠去落實嘛所以這個時間本席認為應該還可以再縮短部長一定要加油因為民眾我們會努力跟他們溝通是希望有一個依據有一個依據要不然不要讓政府讓人民認為是礦熱廢食你保護不了受害者那你也管控不了"},{"start":563.638,"end":565.264,"text":"诈骗者啊是没错没错好吧好加油谢谢好谢谢委员"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:56.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:57.600000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:57.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:57.860000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:57.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:02:58.641000+08:00","text":"楊委員早安。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:02:58.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:06.222000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:03:07.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:21.446000+08:00","text":"立法院在去年年底三讀通過了人工智慧基本法，我們目的是要求數發部必須建立跟國際接軌的AI風險分類框架，也協助我們各主管機關單位採取以風險為基礎的管理規範。是。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:03:25.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:42.220000+08:00","text":"但是據查目前我們所提出的框架，主要是以風險檢核表方式，由各部會自行去盤點應用情境並勾選分類的類型，是不是如此，目前進度是不是如此？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:03:43.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:03:50.605000+08:00","text":"是，現在由我們數發部擬的人工智慧風險分類框架，基本上已經完成了，那就是會……","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:03:50.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:04:12.139000+08:00","text":"部長，你有沒有認為如果只規範到這個程度，恐導致整個監理的標準不一，而且也很難去釐清高風險AI發生爭議時的責任歸屬，會產生這樣的情況。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:04:12.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:04:32.873000+08:00","text":"請教部長，未來數發部看到這樣的面向，是否你會去規劃，因為這個非常的重要，建立具有約束力的統一管理機制，而不是只有停留在讓各部會自我檢核的層次。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:04:32.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:04:34.834000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:04:34.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:04:35.935000+08:00","text":"是，委員這個問題非常好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:04:36.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:02.929000+08:00","text":"事實上我們目前這樣的立法，就是因為當初歐盟的EU 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Act在立法的時候，是明確的列出所有風險的分級，因為它等於是從中央的層級去列出這些風險分級，結果在各個部會，當然歐盟沒有各個部會，就是說實際上去執行的時候，譬如說醫療方面的AI的使用跟金融、交通都不一樣，所以……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:03.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:07.231000+08:00","text":"類別完全不一，那既然你已經看到這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:07.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:08.231000+08:00","text":"對，所以我……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:07.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:13.253000+08:00","text":"已經看到這個，那你要如何去做一個統一、可以有約束力的管理機制？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:13.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:17.055000+08:00","text":"這個管理機制非常的重要……是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:17.055000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:18.055000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:17.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:18.676000+08:00","text":"也是這一個法的精髓，請做說明。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:19.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:38.967000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在的立法是三層的架構，最上層是人工智慧基本法，在人工智慧基本法之下，由數發部訂定人工智慧風險分類框架指引，然後在這個指引之下，就會由衛福部去訂，AI使用在醫院裡面要怎樣才能通過認證，然後到時候如果發生醫療……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:39.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:43.030000+08:00","text":"身為數發部，你現在的說法還是目前是由各部會……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:43.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:44.411000+08:00","text":"對，作用法是由各部會……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:44.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:50.375000+08:00","text":"各機關自己去勾選，自己去決定它到底有沒有這個風險……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:50.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:05:51.375000+08:00","text":"沒有，這個立法……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:05:50.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.109000+08:00","text":"再來決定到底要不要啟動，所以本席還是跟你強調，既然數發部的位階在這裡，你更應該要有一個統一管理的機制，因為就誠如目前每一天有5,000到1萬的詐騙，表示實際比這個更多！","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.629000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.809000+08:00","text":"沒錯，你還可以這麼輕鬆？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.809000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:13.809000+08:00","text":"沒有，我一點都不輕鬆，我很累的！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:13.809000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:14.809000+08:00","text":"我的工作很累的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:12.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:16.091000+08:00","text":"人民已經受不了了，而且在偽陽、偽陰的層次，數位部扮演的角色很重要，這個機制……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:17.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:18.272000+08:00","text":"我們現在在勾選、盤點，並不是就停在這裡，這是事情的開始。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:18.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:35.281000+08:00","text":"這是最後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:35.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:41.765000+08:00","text":"既然這是事情的開始，請你將管控約束力的機制再提供給本席，說明你們預計要怎麼做。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:44.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:06:45.667000+08:00","text":"沒問題，這個事實上就是我們啟動立法的過程。","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:06:45.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:07:08.242000+08:00","text":"接下來，在整個過程當中，當然立法你就要去執行之，所以本席再來要跟你討論，就AI發展的高度，目前為止，有很大量的網路資料訓練、網路爬蟲，過去是灰色地帶，但是現在已經成為產業基礎非常重要的設施。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:07:10.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:07:48.434000+08:00","text":"國際網路服務商甚至提供反爬機制，同時更開放了合規爬取API，所以在這樣的情況之下，得以授權在規範下爬取網站資料，運用在於AI模型訓練以及資料庫建置，顯示全球是從無序，一直到現在走向制度化的授權跟技術控管，它是一個新型的治理模式。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:07:48.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:07:49.735000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，我們似乎還是停滯在研議以及指引的階段。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:07:49.735000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:07:50.735000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們已經開始在執行了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:07:49.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:08:22.314000+08:00","text":"本席要具體請教，因為現在這麼大量的內容授權跟資料運用會產生很多衝突樣態，所以針對AI資料爬取跟平臺提供的爬取服務管理，你什麼時候會提出具體的制度以及法制架構？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:08:22.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:08:29.979000+08:00","text":"我們要很明確地規劃出平臺、內容提供業者以及AI開發的責任，請說明。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:08:31.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-0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Francisco的總部跟他們談過一次，隔一個禮拜以後，他們亞太區的總裁馬上就跑來找我，我們在會談中都有談到這個事情。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:13.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:13.942000+08:00","text":"有溝通很好！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:15.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:18.924000+08:00","text":"你預估什麼時候可以讓民眾放心，例如有浮水印標誌等？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:20.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:29.813000+08:00","text":"我們現在先從勸說的方式，希望他們主動標示，因為立法當然還要有立法的過程。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:30.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:40.704000+08:00","text":"我們現在希望不用動到立法，讓Google或者是Meta這樣的平臺都能合作，目前我們已經得到Google的友善回應，他們願意往這個方向發展。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:41.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:46.028000+08:00","text":"你認為什麼時候可以開始有這個標誌，讓民眾安心？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:46.028000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:47.028000+08:00","text":"我們希望在六個月以內。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:46.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:47.148000+08:00","text":"一個月之內？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:47.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:49.769000+08:00","text":"我們希望六個月之內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:49.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:50.769000+08:00","text":"六個月之內？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:49.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:52.070000+08:00","text":"對，這是我們的期望，因為美國的……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:11:52.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:11:59.653000+08:00","text":"當然你要有一個KPI指標才能夠去落實，所以本席認為時間應該還可以再縮短，部長一定要加油！","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:00.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:01.874000+08:00","text":"是，我們會努力跟他們溝通。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:02.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.040000+08:00","text":"因為民眾希望有一個依據，政府不要讓人民認為曠日費時，你保護不了受害者，也管控不了詐騙者。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.481000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:14.481000+08:00","text":"好不好？好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:13.983000+08:00","text":"好好加油，謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:14.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:14.223000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:14.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:19.008714+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的質詢，也謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:12:19.308714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:12:22.451571+08:00","text":"接下來請林俊憲召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}