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所以本席剛剛也特別說到其他的國家有哪些的AI工具去協助他們以節省他們的成本，就這一個部分，我也希望可以儘快看到成效，這個很重要。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:58:42.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:58:57.048000+08:00","text":"最後一個議題，我們看到人力的問題，AI浪潮來襲，我們要延續創新動能、驅動產業的成長，優質人才成了全球競爭的一個非常重要的目標。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:58:57.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:59:20.823000+08:00","text":"臺灣對於高科技高階的人才的需求當然一直在加溫、一直有需求，在這樣的情況之下，您7月份要率團去美東、10月份要去美西，此次赴美當然要跨部會的規格，包括經濟部、教育部、國科會、工研院都一起出訪，在這樣的情況下，聚焦在什麼？","quality":0.777},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:59:21.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:59:28.548000+08:00","text":"聚焦在AI的人才，畢竟臺灣對於AI人才的需求是強烈的，我們也希望透過這樣子的動作能夠攬才、有所突破。","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:59:28.548000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:59:38.604500+08:00","text":"但是本席也要跟你討論的就是，全球攬才目前聚焦在哪些方面的人力？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:59:38.604500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:59:48.661000+08:00","text":"你們出訪的目標到底是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:59:48.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:59:53.362000+08:00","text":"因為我們也要考慮到我國本土的人才會不會被人家挖走，這也是非常重要的一個課題。","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T11:59:54.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:05.964000+08:00","text":"因此本席想要請教，除了延攬國際人才之外，我國長期的人才培育機制到底是什麼？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:05.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:11.685000+08:00","text":"你們的留才政策量化KPI又是什麼？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:11.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:11.685000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:12.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:15.346000+08:00","text":"報告委員，剛剛委員提的應該是國發會而不是國科會，他們的國外攬才……","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:16.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:19.669000+08:00","text":"政府是一體的，與你們國科會相關的也必須啊！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:20.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:21.410000+08:00","text":"也都要關心啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:22.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:24.412000+08:00","text":"我們國科會負責的是學術研發的攬才……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:25.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:26.914000+08:00","text":"對，這是一個基礎嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:27.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:27.815000+08:00","text":"我們現在支持……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:28.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:29.616000+08:00","text":"你們支持就好！是。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:31.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:37.181000+08:00","text":"請問你們的留才政策量化KPI是什麼？我們……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:41.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:45.655000+08:00","text":"因為你們現在要導入AI，當然就需要這方面的人才嘛！","quality":0.391},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:47.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:54.001000+08:00","text":"國科會主政的部分，我們是支持學術研究機構培養未來需要的人才。當然！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:54.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:00:56.023000+08:00","text":"因為政府必須要橫向聯繫啊！","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:00:56.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:01.147000+08:00","text":"是，但我們主政的範圍也會與經濟部、國發會……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:02.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:04.189000+08:00","text":"經濟部、國發會、教育部。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:04.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:05.731000+08:00","text":"以及教育部，我們都會合作。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:05.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:05.951000+08:00","text":"都會嘛！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:06.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:07.752000+08:00","text":"還有你們國科會嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:07.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:11.856000+08:00","text":"對，國科會負責研發。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:11.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:13.758000+08:00","text":"對，這個非常的重要，我們也期望……","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:13.758000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:15.760000+08:00","text":"關於研發的部分，我們也有國際合作，希望……對啊！","quality":0.211},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-08T12:01:15.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:01:22.227000+08:00","text":"把我們的人才留住，同時也將國外的人才招攬進來，這樣才能夠相輔相成，對不對？","qualit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