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現在不是這樣包圍啊所以你的意思 你不願意澄清就對了 你不願意道歉我們經濟部依法行政 核二核三已經提出暫運轉的計畫我們現在只是重點"},{"start":199.4,"end":226.562,"text":"部長你不要我問A答B喔因為我說你要不要道歉你的意思說你不要道歉嘛對不對你就是不要道歉好這大家可以看到是如果是真的這樣講的話事實上核能政策不研議的政策是2011年2014年決定核四封存沒有喔這個政策可是你們把法律化是你們做的喔在電業法當中2017年的電業法就這樣做了喔好這樣子我們可以看到的是"},{"start":227.863,"end":233.646,"text":"經濟部部長我問的問題在你要不要道歉 因為你可以看到的是蔡總統他都願意說他要感謝在野黨在電業法當中已經有說要去感謝他把電業法他在核管法當中讓他可以研議 那你在這邊讓台系的這個居民可以去感受到他們的這個健康受到的一個危害甚至有人掃死了這部分你連說一個道歉你都不願意做 實在是讓人覺得非常的"},{"start":254.736,"end":259.219,"text":"我覺得就是有點 我不會說草菅人命 但是覺得這個部分實在是很讓人家覺得遺憾啦好 那我們繼續下面一個問題 我時間有限齁我們看到的是說 因為呢 剛剛您也說了齁營進黨政府我們看到的是說 他多年來才能蒸汽減煤這個問題 沒有錯啦不過我們看到的是說 他一年減煤了70多萬公噸的煤齁但是麥良電廠呢 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我們一定不會超過去年這個是我們的承諾"},{"start":370.79,"end":388.238,"text":"這個部分我們繼續再觀察因為出現到什麼情況因為你們當初有個跟大家說的你們在蔡英文總統剛上任的時候說到2025年的時候你們要的燃煤發電的比例是達到27%可是去年你們知道幾%嗎去年請回答一下去年幾%的發電量燃煤的發電比"},{"start":391.477,"end":409.563,"text":"三十幾啊三十五趴啊所以你們之前啊你們之前二零二六的二零一六年的時候蔡英文總統那時候說是要二十七你們去年的時候還是在二三十四三十五的情況根本也是沒有承諾實現啊當然你們以去年這個標準來看的話那今年這樣的情況我預計啊其實可能會超過因為你現在的承諾沒辦法檢驗我們就繼續往下看就對了好希望說未來你們這個檢媒是好事情希望你們真的維持這個承諾好不好好謝謝"},{"start":421.088,"end":421.109,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:48.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:48.516000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:49.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:52.217000+08:00","text":"有請經濟部龔部長還有台電曾文生董事長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:53.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:53.518000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔部長、台電曾董事長。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:53.518000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:59.431000+08:00","text":"劉委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:59.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:59.711000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:32:00.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:32:18.990000+08:00","text":"我們知道中東戰爭的爆發，台電為了穩定的供電，要增加燃煤的發電，預告5月起要重啟去年底停止運轉的麥寮燃煤電廠1號跟3號機組，要運轉3個月嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:32:19.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:32:23.034000+08:00","text":"我們都知道燃煤電廠發電會導致大量空氣污染物質排放，造成嚴重的健康、死亡問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:32:23.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:32:47.740000+08:00","text":"我們可以看到2014年的時候，哈佛大學的研究報告指出，全臺燃煤電廠的運轉造成了900件的早死案件；2018年臺大公共衛生學院的報告也指出，麥寮居民的罹癌率比他處高了1.29倍。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:32:47.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:19.545000+08:00","text":"過去十年來我們看到臺灣政府高舉非核家園的政策，以臺灣人的安全為藉口來妨害核電的發展，拖慢了核二跟核三的延役進度，導致現在沒有乾淨又有能源韌性的核能可以使用，現在回過來要重啟燃煤電廠，將發電建在臺灣人的健康跟生命的之上。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:21.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:32.695000+08:00","text":"因為重點是在能源政策，針對錯誤的非核家園政策，致使燃煤電廠需要重啟，經濟部是不是要對臺西麥寮居民的高罹患癌症跟死亡負起責任、說聲道歉呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:41.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:47.999000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這一次中東戰爭所產生的影響，跟這個國家有沒有核能好像沒有直接的關係……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:48.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:49.519000+08:00","text":"跟能源韌性有很大的關係……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:49.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:50.519000+08:00","text":"即便是韓國……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:49.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:51.159000+08:00","text":"臺灣好空氣聯盟保護協會今天開記者會就是在講這個問題，其實你有很多的原因……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:06.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:12.625000+08:00","text":"減煤也是我們的政策，減煤一定是我們的政策，只是因為中東這個事件的關係，讓我們有一個調度的空間。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:12.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:14.465000+08:00","text":"但是多少在野黨已經跟你警告了，已經提醒你應該注意能源韌性。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:15.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:34.135000+08:00","text":"這部分的能源韌性，包括核電，包括我們看到總統他自己也提到核二、核三具備重啟的條件，就是準備要去做這些事情，因為也是看到了這個問題。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:35.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:36.877000+08:00","text":"最重要的，你們也談到國安的問題啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:37.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:42.262000+08:00","text":"如果被包圍了……所以你的意思是你不願意澄清就對了？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:42.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:42.982000+08:00","text":"你不願意道歉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:43.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:47.346000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們經濟部依法行政，核二、核三已經提出再運轉的計畫。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:47.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:53.302000+08:00","text":"我們現在的重點……部長，不要我問A你答B喔！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:53.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:55.784000+08:00","text":"我問你要不要道歉，你的意思是你不要道歉嘛！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:56.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:57.045000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:57.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:58.927000+08:00","text":"你就是不要道歉，好，這大家可以看到……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:59.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:08.595000+08:00","text":"如果真的這樣講的話，事實上核能不延役的政策是在2011年，2014年決定核四封存。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:09.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:11.878000+08:00","text":"沒有，可是把這個政策法律化是你們做的喔！2011……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:14.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:15.421000+08:00","text":"2017年的電業法就這樣做了喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:15.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:19.484000+08:00","text":"好，經濟部部長，我問的問題是你要不要道歉？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:19.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:45.996000+08:00","text":"因為可以看到的是，賴總統都願意說他要感謝在野黨在核管法當中讓它可以延役，你在這邊讓台西的居民感受到他們健康受到危害，甚至有人早死這部分，你連一個道歉都不願意做，實在是讓人覺得非常的……我不願意說草菅人命啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:46.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:47.277000+08:00","text":"但是覺得這個部分實在是很讓人家覺得遺憾。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:47.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:47.697000+08:00","text":"好，我們繼續下面一個問題，我時間有限。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:47.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:48.798000+08:00","text":"剛才你也說了，我們看到民進黨政府多年來喊增氣減煤，沒有錯啦！","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:48.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:13.095000+08:00","text":"不過我們看到它一年減七十多萬公噸的煤，但是麥寮電廠每部機組單月的燃煤量15到20萬公噸，如果運轉三個月粗估要燒掉120萬公噸的煤，這次台電要重啟麥寮電廠，等於是三個月就把兩年來減煤的部分補燒回來。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:13.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:14.196000+08:00","text":"繼續再問的是，未來幾個月是不是有更多的燃煤電廠重啟計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:38.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:43.650000+08:00","text":"我們昨天有看到，包括現在有的興達、林口、大林等電廠，是否也會再增加？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:43.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:54.974000+08:00","text":"因為還沒有到100%，而且我事實上還看到在燃氣部分都有增加到百分之一百多的發電量，這部分是不是台電的總經理回答一下？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:55.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:55.175000+08:00","text":"我請董事長說明。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:57.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:57.222000+08:00","text":"台電董事長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:57.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:59.424000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個數字是錯的，中火2016年到2025年累積減煤量673萬噸是錯的，我一年就減600萬噸。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:59.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:59.664000+08:00","text":"一年減到600萬噸？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:59.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:00.165000+08:00","text":"是，從最高的一千八百多萬噸減到現在大概一千一百萬噸。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:17.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:21.038000+08:00","text":"好，如果是這樣的情況我覺得是好事情，因為……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:21.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:25.580000+08:00","text":"我們就減煤這件事一直在努力。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:26.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:28.902000+08:00","text":"不過你們這次就要再重啟燃煤電廠了啊！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:29.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:40.249000+08:00","text":"這次因為的確是中東的事件，但是我們也承諾全年總的燃煤發電量一定不會超過去年，這個是我們的承諾。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:41.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:44.071000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們繼續再觀察，因為出現了什麼情況？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:45.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:57.797000+08:00","text":"當初在蔡英文總統剛上任的時候，你們說2025年的時候你們要的燃煤發電比例是27%，可是去年是百分之多少嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:58.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:59.218000+08:00","text":"請回答一下去年是百分之幾的發電量，燃煤的發電比。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:02.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:02.837000+08:00","text":"三十幾。35%！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:04.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:20.523000+08:00","text":"所以之前2016年的時候，蔡英文總統說要27%，去年還是在34%、35%的情況，根本沒有實現承諾，以去年這個標準來看的話，今年這樣的情況我預計可能會超過，因為你現在都承諾沒辦法……我們繼續往下看就對了，減煤是好事情，希望你們能夠真的維持這個承諾，好不好？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:20.523000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:21.523000+08:00","text":"好，我們來加油。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:20.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:20.563000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:21.063000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:23.063000+08:00","text":"謝謝劉書彬委員。","quality":0}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