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偽造我們現在要用AIS嘛如果INPUT這一段的資訊是錯誤的我想後面我們再怎麼精進啊"},{"start":429.201,"end":449.969,"text":"或是買多少有算力的東西或多少軟體可能效果都不會太好因為AI的發展會越來越進步只要我們的資料庫夠大夠多AI判讀都越精準所以我們現在倒進到AI裡面去的資料庫我們現在慢慢一直在建立在充實"},{"start":451.169,"end":469.869,"text":"另外跟委員報告所有的海面目標我們對於台灣有威脅譬如說是中資的旋翼輪啊譬如說這一個這個那個後滾輪啊這些我們都有列管助計只要進到台灣水域他就會自動告解所以署長應該下次不會再有這個誤認或錯認的狀況出現吧還是說還是有可能會發生"},{"start":472.532,"end":497.822,"text":"因為他發報的時候我們不太清楚嘛所以我們還是會覺得很可疑他很靠近那在我們的聯合營業區裡面我們還是會派人去辨識啦所以還是請署長這件事情要keep in mind就是把他當作一些非常重要的事情因為我想我們今天在討論這件事情的時候這個是非常重要的事情好不好那請那個署長可以寫文請部長一下"},{"start":499.851,"end":515.079,"text":"因為我上次一直在很關心軍級人員照顧小孩的部分我那些有特別質詢中副那些有特別跟我做一些報告不過我再把我的問題再確認一下"},{"start":516.059,"end":543.052,"text":"因為這個很多人跟我反映其實這個我們比較care的應該是拖音那個部分就是0到2歲那個部分就很多軍職人員我上次主席的時候有特別提到就常常夫妻兩位其實都可能都是所以我們現在這個在不同的這個單位我們其實都在為了這個少子女化在做很多努力我當然也希望就軍方這邊來說也可以給這些軍職人員做一些這個實質上最拖音的這些支持"},{"start":543.832,"end":563.968,"text":"因為我們上次有去詢問國防部現在看起來這幾個提供我們的資訊大概都還是二到六歲以後的所以我還是強調希望能夠強化所謂的拖音的部分就是零到二分這個是不是請部長稍微大概說一下因為我後面可能時間來不及"},{"start":565.558,"end":579.47,"text":"好 鮑偉仁這個我手上沒有特別關於拖音的資料不過您講這個問題我們回去研究一下我再回覆您好不好我知道現在的確我們主要是兩到六歲配合政府政策這部分我們是有"},{"start":580.771,"end":596.248,"text":"對 所以因為很多後面這個因為現在大家其實都不是兩歲以後常常都是更小然後是因為軍職人員其實他散佈在很多我們這個不同甚至是離島我們都覺得這個可能他的資源配備更不足"},{"start":597.229,"end":615.79,"text":"沒有關係 因為今天可能時間上不是很來得及因為我們有收集到一些資料我們還是因為我原來都在勞政那邊我希望給這些軍事人員在工作上因為我們軍人也是工作給他們更多的協助讓他們都願意生小孩讓我們可以一起來解決這個少子女化的問題謝謝委員關心好 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6:23.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:34.300000+08:00","text":"所以不會再有這樣的狀況嘛，因為在所謂的雷達上面，最怕的是搞不清楚到底是敵人還是自己人，我覺得這是一個很麻煩的現象。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:36.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:54.648000+08:00","text":"現在MarineTraffic網站裡面可以去看，如果各位有機會上去看，就有很多AIS的訊號，其實有一大部分是漁網、漁具的AIS，但是因為中國的AIS比較便宜，所以我們現在有很多的國籍漁船會去採用AIS……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:55.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:56.648000+08:00","text":"這個有辦法把它排除掉嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:56.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:58.129000+08:00","text":"或是請他們……我看到你們的新聞寫說……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:59.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:09.234000+08:00","text":"我們會去點選，對於比較可疑的去點選，因為漁網、漁具AIS前面的標碼跟我們漁船註冊用的AIS是不一樣的。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:09.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:15.597000+08:00","text":"另外跟委員報告，現在有一個比較嚴重的狀況，就是AIS可以更換、可以取代，然後變造、偽造。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:15.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:29.202000+08:00","text":"對，就是我現在所說的，我們現在要用AI，如果input這一段的資訊是錯誤的，後面我們再怎麼精進，或是買多少有算力的東西或軟體，效果可能都不會太好。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:32.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:45.969000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為AI的發展會越來越進步，只要我們的資料庫夠大夠多，AI的判讀就會越精準，所以我們現在倒進AI裡面去的資料庫，慢慢一直在建立、充實。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:47.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:01.905000+08:00","text":"另外跟委員報告，所有對臺灣有威脅的海面目標，譬如中資的權宜輪，譬如客滾輪，我們都有列管註記，只要進到臺灣水域，它就會自動告知。","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:02.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:05.048000+08:00","text":"所以下次應該不會再有誤認或錯認的狀況出現吧？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:05.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:05.849000+08:00","text":"還是有可能會發生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:08.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:17.475000+08:00","text":"因為它發報的時候，我們不太清楚，但我們會覺得很可疑，如果它很靠近我們的領海鄰接區，我們還是會派船去辨識。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:18.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:29.140000+08:00","text":"所以還是要請署長把這件事情keep 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mind，就是把它當做一件非常重要的事情，因為在我們今天的討論中，這個是非常重要的事情，好不好？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:32.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:33.722000+08:00","text":"署長先請回，我再請教副部長。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:36.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:58.342000+08:00","text":"其實我一直很關心軍職人員照顧小孩的部分，我那天有特別質詢，鍾副那天有特別跟我做了一些報告，不過我再把我的問題確認一下，因為很多人跟我反映，其實他們比較care的是托嬰，就是0到2歲的部分。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:59.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:19.032000+08:00","text":"我上次質詢的時候有特別提到，常常夫妻兩位都是軍職人員，雖然可能在不同單位，但都為了少子女化做很多努力，就軍方這邊來說，我當然也希望可以給這些軍職人員一些實質上對於托嬰的支持。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:21.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:36.165000+08:00","text":"上次有詢問國防部，但看起來提供給我們的資訊大概都還是2到6歲以後的，所以我還是強調希望能夠強化托嬰的部分，就是0到2歲。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:36.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:38.947000+08:00","text":"這個是不是請副部長稍微說明一下？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:39.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:39.948000+08:00","text":"因為我後面可能時間來不及了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:42.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:50.186000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我手上沒有特別關於托嬰的資料，不過您講這個問題，我們回去研究一下再回復您，好不好？好。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:50.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:55.450000+08:00","text":"我知道現在的確……我們主要是2到6歲，配合政府政策，這部分我們是有的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:59.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:03.058000+08:00","text":"因為現在其實都不是2歲以後，常常會是更小……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:03.058000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:04.940000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:04.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:12.228000+08:00","text":"因為軍職人員散布在很多不同的地方，甚至離島，我們都覺得可能他的資源配備更不足。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:13.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:13.450000+08:00","text":"沒有關係！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:13.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:25.523000+08:00","text":"因為今天時間上不是很來得及，我們有蒐集到一些資料，育兒政策都還是在勞政那邊，我希望給予這些軍職人員在工作上，因為我們軍人也是在工作嘛！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:26.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:31.349000+08:00","text":"給他們更多的協助，讓他們都願意生小孩，也讓我們可以一起來解決少子女化的問題。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:31.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:31.529000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:31.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:31.790000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:32.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:33.290000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:33.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:37.304286+08:00","text":"接下來請沈伯洋委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}