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謝謝喔那我接著再請一下我們經濟部的我們的何次長"},{"start":337.779,"end":365.876,"text":"因為今天很多我們稍微提出來這個議題是非常好的所以我們要多問一下包括運動設備方面的話我們像我們文明的世界品牌包括我們自行車的製造商我們的捷安特跟這個美麗達還有主打我們的健身器材的這個橋山科技他們都是非常亮眼的成績雖然說沒有半導體這麼亮眼但是他在我們國際上還是我們台灣之光"},{"start":366.536,"end":394.451,"text":"所以我們希望我們在運動設備業這個方面我們就盡量來輔導他但是我們因為在製造上的製造業製造鞋子也好或者是紡織部分的話我們國際大品牌他們的供應商他們的能力跟他們的品質都是受國際所肯定的但是利潤上我們卻受制於國際的大品牌所以我們現在提出了這個AI這個人工智慧可以帶動著我們AI化的話"},{"start":396.332,"end":414.459,"text":"讓我們的這個很多產業可以轉型在AI化那是不是我們可以幫助我們傳統製造這個代工產業走向這個品牌化 國際化可不可以是 當然可以這個也是我們經濟部一直在輔導產業的方向那也就是說我們希望把這個台灣的這些優勢產業"},{"start":415.899,"end":421.081,"text":"能夠推向國際所以國際的一些重要的展會我們也都會帶著這些這個廠商到國外去用台灣館的方式來呈現那在國內的部分像自行車展的話也是國內一個非常大的一個國際性的一個展覽那我們國內的廠商也都是會將他們的這些自由品牌的這些產品在那個展場去做這個展覽所以我想這些都是我們"},{"start":444.088,"end":454.426,"text":"未來在推動品牌台灣一個非常重要的一個工作所以我們現在很多AI的轉型企業我們多多的輔導讓他們有整個供應鏈的因素漸進國際好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝李議員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:24.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:24.649000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:24.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:25.129000+08:00","text":"我們請運動部的黃次長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:25.129000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:40.608500+08:00","text":"請運動部黃次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:40.608500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:56.088000+08:00","text":"委員，你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:56.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:19.615000+08:00","text":"好，次長，近期WBC世界棒球經典賽剛剛落幕，在全臺掀起了棒球熱，所以我們看到棒球不只是競技上的一個活動，也可以凝聚國人的情感，也是讓世界看到臺灣的重要舞臺，所以我們整合了國家的資源，大力推動體育的政策發展。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:20.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:57.307000+08:00","text":"在去年9月的時候，我們的體育署就升格為運動部，2013年的時候體育署有推出了運動政策白皮書，去年升格為運動部之後，2025年也聯合了一些諮詢要提出運動白皮書，你們諮商過專家或相關運動部分的資料，但是你們並沒有在去年年底提出這個白皮書，而且公布要在2027年提出，為什麼時間要一直延宕下去？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:58.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:07.292000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為原本的政策白皮書的規劃是以體育署的概念作為基礎去做研發的，可是運動部成立……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:07.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:09.313000+08:00","text":"所以你們修正要這麼久的時間嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:09.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:09.873000+08:00","text":"因為的確需要……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:10.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:11.794000+08:00","text":"今年年底可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:11.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:15.495000+08:00","text":"的確需要一段時間，把理論跟實際的東西做……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:15.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:18.856000+08:00","text":"你去年7、8月就討論過了，今年可以提出來嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:18.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:21.157000+08:00","text":"今年初版應該可以提得出來。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:21.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:22.617000+08:00","text":"白皮書？是。可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:22.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:24.158000+08:00","text":"今年就提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:24.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:25.578000+08:00","text":"我們初版可以提出來，還需要……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:27.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:30.601000+08:00","text":"初稿已經出來了，次長，你不知道嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:30.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:30.921000+08:00","text":"我知道，委員……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:31.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:32.963000+08:00","text":"你的初稿是什麼時候出來的？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:33.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:34.103000+08:00","text":"去年就出來了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:34.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:42.329000+08:00","text":"委員，我必須跟您報告，初稿出來的時候，我要求我們的行政部門，因為初稿出來的時候，它相對的理想，非常的好，可是就執行端……","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:42.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:56.838000+08:00","text":"所以還有今年一年的時間給你，我們知道如果白皮書一直延宕的話，會讓體育政策的推動受到一些阻礙，所以儘快把它推出來，好不好？","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:56.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:57.299000+08:00","text":"是，我們儘快。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:58.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:20.516000+08:00","text":"接下來就是要請教一下次長，因為2013年的運動白皮書裡面特別提到救生人員的人力培訓，並訂定了一些目標，從2020年到2025年你們一直都沒有達標，你知道現在在地方上很多游泳池都有救生人員人力不足的情形嗎？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:20.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:21.677000+08:00","text":"我知道這個狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:21.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:23.339000+08:00","text":"解決了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:23.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:29.584000+08:00","text":"目前我們是增加考試的場次，以前考試的單位好像比較少，我們已經開放這樣的考試單位。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:29.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:33.008000+08:00","text":"對，因為考照合格率很低。是的。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:33.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:47.337000+08:00","text":"就算考到了，人家也不願意去從事這個工作，所以救生人員的問題沒辦法解決，包括我們桃園的八德和中壢運動中心運動人員都不夠，最近才慢慢補足了。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:47.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:57.824000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望你們想出辦法來，可以跟運動相關的單位，包括學校，是不是可以把考照作為畢業的門檻？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:57.824000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:58.824000+08:00","text":"我的理解的確是要跟學校……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:58.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:01.727000+08:00","text":"可以用建教合作的方式解決這個問題。是的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:03.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:38.034000+08:00","text":"接下來我們再請教一下，去年我們三讀通過的運動產業發展條例，通過那麼久了，給了你法源，要你去修正相關的辦法，但是我們看到一年過去了，你們都沒有，就是在我們的運動投資產業相關辦法，請教一下國發會葉主委，為什麼運動部跟國發會沒有辦法把這個投資辦法提出來？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:38.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:44.636000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個投資辦法，目前在我們部內已經快要完成程序，將要進行預告。將要？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:44.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:46.037000+08:00","text":"今年可以提出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:46.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:48.738000+08:00","text":"我們預計在這個月或下個月就會提出預告，預告、修正完之後才要……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:49.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:49.598000+08:00","text":"現在跟國發會沒有共識嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:53.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:55.075000+08:00","text":"又是哪些部分沒有共識？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:55.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:59.618000+08:00","text":"目前跟國發會是有共識的，只是我們在程序上面必須要廣聽社會大眾的意見。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:59.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:59.878000+08:00","text":"已經討論過啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:01.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:05.558000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們要預告，也就是我們把它出版出來之後，要對社會大眾預告。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:05.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:07.779000+08:00","text":"所以有哪些增加的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:08.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:08.940000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:09.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:20.088000+08:00","text":"目前在方向上是希望在投資上能夠用民間領投、政府跟投的方式，來做運動產業的投資。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:20.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:22.730000+08:00","text":"好，所以你說今年就會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:22.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:23.830000+08:00","text":"葉主委，沒有問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:25.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:27.022000+08:00","text":"基本上沒有問題，因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:27.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:30.085000+08:00","text":"用比例式的投資，給他們減稅，是不是？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:30.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:38.933000+08:00","text":"是不是減稅的方式，減稅可能不會是唯一的，但我們國發基金除了剛剛的那個100億基金之外，其實創業天使投資已經在投資運動產業了，目前大概已經有投資6,300億左右，對不起，6,300萬。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:50.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:58.122000+08:00","text":"如果是六千多億的話也不錯啦，我相信很多國際的體育賽事都會在臺灣舉行，謝謝。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:58.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:06:09.535000+08:00","text":"接下來再請教一下經濟部何次長，因為今天召委提出來的議題是非常好的，所以我們要多問一下，包括運動設備方面，像我們聞名世界的品牌，包括自行車的製造商捷安特跟美利達，還有主打健身器材的喬山科技，他們都有非常亮眼的成績，雖然沒有半導體這麼亮眼，但是在國際上他們還是我們臺灣之光，所以，我們希望在運動設備業這方面，政府儘量來輔導他們，但是製造業，不管是製造鞋子或紡織部分，我們的國際大品牌的供應商，能力跟品質都受國際所肯定，但是在利潤上卻受制於國際大品牌，所以我們現在提出了AI人工智慧，如果可以帶動AI化，讓我們很多產業可以轉型，是不是可以幫助我們傳統製造的代工產業走向品牌化、國際化？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:06:10.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:06:10.416000+08:00","text":"可不可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T11:06:10.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:06:53.077000+08:00","text":"是，當然可以，這個也是我們經濟部一直在輔導產業的方向，也就是我們希望把臺灣的這些優勢產業推向國際，所以國際上一些重要的展會，我們也都會帶著這些廠商到國外去，用臺灣館的方式來呈現；至於在國內的部分，像自行車展也是國內一個非常大的國際性展覽，國內的廠商也都會將他們自有品牌的產品在展場展覽，所以我想這些都是我們未來在推動品牌臺灣非常重要的工作項目。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:06:53.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:06:58.386000+08:00","text":"是，所以現在很多AI轉型企業，我們要多多的輔導，讓他們有整個供應鏈的優勢可以進軍國際，好不好？是。謝謝。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T11:06:58.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:06:58.406000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:06:58.90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