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講到什麼時候"},{"start":341.383,"end":364.196,"text":"我們已經在一段計畫已經送件給核安會了所以最快可以能不能在提早半年讓他好時間到可以報告委員因為那個我們還要配合原廠他的這個自主安全檢查的步驟台電沒有辦法完全自己決定不過原則上就是安全上是一年半到兩年好謝謝好謝謝謝謝來請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:33.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.251000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.531000+08:00","text":"有請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.651000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:58:36.811000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:55.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:58:55.739000+08:00","text":"部長你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:58:56.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:01.661000+08:00","text":"我請教你，我們現在天然氣儲量到底是11天還是12天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:03.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:05.862000+08:00","text":"規定是11天，現在大概是12天。12天？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:07.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:19.827000+08:00","text":"你在公開場合都講了，因為中東打仗所以去調貨，3、4、5月都已經搞定了，6月份還有三分之一沒有搞定，是不是？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:21.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:23.188000+08:00","text":"6月份大致上也差不多了，已經OK了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:23.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:25.809000+08:00","text":"所以6月份也搞定了？是、是。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:26.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:26.289000+08:00","text":"7月份呢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:26.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:30.030000+08:00","text":"7月份，正在規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:31.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:32.511000+08:00","text":"所以大概什麼時候可以全部……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:32.511000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:36.652000+08:00","text":"調度中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:36.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:42.614000+08:00","text":"你講一艘船要多花10到11億，20艘船就要多付200億，現在還是這樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:44.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T10:59:47.178000+08:00","text":"要看當時價錢的變化。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T10:59:47.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:00.056000+08:00","text":"我們是調到了這個船，但是價錢要看那個時候船期的變化，因為原來是11塊左右，現在比較低一點了，大概是19塊、18塊，也有可能是20塊。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:04.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:10.365000+08:00","text":"我請問你，現在你調的都是美國的油、美國的氣跟澳洲的，是不是？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:10.365000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:11.365000+08:00","text":"還是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:10.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:12.747000+08:00","text":"不是，天然氣的部分美國、澳洲比較多。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:13.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:16.850000+08:00","text":"對，那油呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:17.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:28.118000+08:00","text":"油是從紅海，我們原來從荷姆茲海峽，現在從紅海那邊出來，有調到，另外還有從非洲的部分，像阿曼。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:30.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:39.668000+08:00","text":"就你現在來看，如果美國可以重新掌控荷姆茲海峽，我們還需要再調嗎？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:39.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:41.629000+08:00","text":"直接從荷姆茲來是不是比較便宜？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:42.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:42.090000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:44.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:50.100000+08:00","text":"油的部分，因為荷姆茲我們現在有一艘船在裡面……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:50.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:52.202000+08:00","text":"還在等嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:52.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:56.546000+08:00","text":"但是既然可以從紅海過來的話，我們就從紅海啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:57.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:00:58.408000+08:00","text":"所以荷姆茲那一艘不要了，是不是？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:00:58.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:00.510000+08:00","text":"不是不要，還是在……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:01.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:03.553000+08:00","text":"那一艘大概什麼時候可以出來？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:03.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:04.995000+08:00","text":"要看情況穩定以後。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:05.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:06.416000+08:00","text":"所以你也不知道？對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:08.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:15.360000+08:00","text":"現在你這樣調，美國跟澳洲價格應該比較貴，比卡達貴吧？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:15.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:16.101000+08:00","text":"貴多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:16.101000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:20.082000+08:00","text":"我請中油董事長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:20.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:21.883000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您問的是天然氣還是原油？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:21.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:25.115000+08:00","text":"兩個都要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:25.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:31.743000+08:00","text":"價格上應該……它都是一個市場競爭性的價格，應該都是差不多的啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:32.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:33.346000+08:00","text":"沒有比較貴嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:33.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:33.826000+08:00","text":"沒有，沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:34.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:37.711000+08:00","text":"那這樣以後就不要跟卡達買了，以後跟美國買就好了，沒有這個風險啊！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:37.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:38.711000+08:00","text":"所以我們未來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:38.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:39.711000+08:00","text":"可是我們買美國的現在已經有六成了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:38.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:40.514000+08:00","text":"那是石油，至於天然氣我們會增加美國的購量。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:40.514000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:41.514000+08:00","text":"增加到多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:40.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:01:44.238000+08:00","text":"希望在2029年的時候到25%，現在是10%左右，還沒有戰爭之前大概是10%左右。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:01:59.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:12.348000+08:00","text":"沒有，我就問你一個題目啦，中東雖然現在看起來好像搞定了，可是變數很大，乾脆就不要跟中東買了，直接跟美國買就好了，也可以平衡臺美貿易逆差啊？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:12.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:12.548000+08:00","text":"可以嗎，部長？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:15.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:18.759000+08:00","text":"到2029年是有這樣的規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:18.759000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:19.759000+08:00","text":"有這樣的規劃？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:18.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:20+08:00","text":"對，有這樣的規劃。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:24.722000+08:00","text":"就是慢慢增加美國，然後中東的部分就慢慢減少……是的。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:25.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:27.083000+08:00","text":"幾乎就不要了，是這個意思嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:27.083000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:28.083000+08:00","text":"確定喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:27.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:30.965000+08:00","text":"不會完全不要啦，還是要分散。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:30.965000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:32.706000+08:00","text":"降到很低，大概多低？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:32.706000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:34.447000+08:00","text":"降低比例。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:34.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:34.627000+08:00","text":"降到多少？10%？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:38.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:40.450000+08:00","text":"增加美國的部分，就是減少卡達的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:41.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T11:02:43.867000+08:00","text":"那是多少，你也說一下啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-16T11:02:44.6470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