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中油它確實吸收了雅林最低價以及專案平穩的這個雙重的平緩機制吸收了110多億另外台電也吸收了台電吸收的是LNG這個"},{"start":424.872,"end":436.391,"text":"加價之後中油並沒有吸收是由台電吸收台電的電費也沒有漲所以LNG增加的費用是台電吸收了但是大眾運輸現在我們回頭來看大眾運輸"},{"start":439.714,"end":468.497,"text":"現在的油價是遠比2月28號高蠻多的所以現在的油價對這些大眾運輸不管是客運業者或是計程業者來講都是一個相當大的負擔那交通部很體恤到這個業者的需求正在研議如何就中油跟台電之外這種大眾運輸能夠系統性的來規劃那這個部分部長已經有清楚的這個構想我們也討論過幾次我們還要再進一步讓它成熟"},{"start":468.797,"end":471.525,"text":"好 這大眾運輸 那這些計程車的部分呢"},{"start":472.355,"end":496.531,"text":"多元計程車也會納入嘛也會納入該補貼就補貼來部長檢要像委員報告因為我們公共運輸的系統影響到一般民眾的日常所以我們希望在這個部分不要去影響到一般民眾日常的支出所以我們希望所有的公共運輸系統都能夠在不漲價的狀況底下讓所有的國民來享用那公共運輸就包含了公路運輸船舶運輸還有國內的航空運輸"},{"start":499.733,"end":519.137,"text":"那當然計程車跟多元計程車這個絕對也是公共運輸的一環是那在我們整體的考量裡面我們會全盤一起來討論我希望我替小黃計程車對多元計程車來發聲也希望能夠爭取到必要的補償政府能做我們盡量做當然我知道預算很辛苦"},{"start":519.818,"end":537.89,"text":"也希望今年的中油預算台電預算交通部的預算在野黨的委員看到我們吸收了這麼多因為戰事而衍生的費用希望在預算上應當給予台電中油交通部門最多的支持好嗎那接下來是勞動議題"},{"start":540.231,"end":560.583,"text":"勞退新制21年了其實當年上路的勞退新制民進黨永遠走在最前面它成為個人賬戶制可稀釋而且可以享有投資的效益那還是有11萬人我台北市佔了4萬人百分之將近40"},{"start":562.364,"end":589.933,"text":"那分布在製造業金融保險業跟公共行政國防等的重點行業有11萬純救治的勞工他享受不到新制的好處他長期處於不利的地位所以說我們民進黨的多位立委共同的倡議包括保釋政策會執行長我們共同來推動純救治勞工的退休權益的改革確保了勞方的權益"},{"start":590.373,"end":604.049,"text":"也兼顧了資方的需求所以吳斯堯的要求下頁也是民進黨團的要求趕快來推動勞退新制就轉新自願參與尊重勞工個人的選擇權"},{"start":605.95,"end":631.365,"text":"勞僱合一可以確保制度的運作可行性以及呢重點就在能夠提前結算一次入賬讓過去累積的退休權益轉化為新制可攜帶可累積可投資而且有保障關於這一點是不是勞動部門能夠不需要修法嗎可以直接啟動請宣示一下這也是今天的good good news"},{"start":631.803,"end":658.096,"text":"跟委員報告 勞動部其實有聽到很多的救治的勞工還有委員們的建議那也就是大家希望說是不是能夠讓救治的勞工可以在這個新制的帳戶裡面然後能夠有一個專戶那把自己過去在救治的退休金能夠放到這個政府可以來協助執行這個基金投資的這個成果可以一起享有這個成果"},{"start":659.016,"end":682.97,"text":"那我們在近期初步的評估我們認為這是有可行性的那這個做法我們的確認為可能可以讓超過10萬符合這個退休條件的對 超過10萬符合退休條件的就職勞工可以來增加退休金所以勞工部願意在這個方向上來去做方案的研議"},{"start":683.53,"end":705.761,"text":"好那就加速好嗎行政部門全力來支持我們對於勞工的權益不要因為制度的銜接而遺落了一批人好嗎我們大力支持因為這個方向有機會可以是這個包括雇主包括勞工都可以獲益好就是多盈好謝謝部長也請政院來支持最後還是回到總預算的課題"},{"start":707.602,"end":721.908,"text":"總預算砍過頭喔114年省最亂 山最多 凍最嚴那時候我是黨團幹事長我在表決的那個晚上一再的舉牌告訴國人現在有哪些預算又被報復性的刪減了"},{"start":724.309,"end":744.885,"text":"今天才剛赴委看到藍白的黨團他們同樣又來了又要報復性的審查了針對NCC監察院陸委會沒宣費同樣的手法也就是114年的總預算之亂今年好像會持續再上演我真的不樂見"},{"start":746.866,"end":759.613,"text":"報復預算就是報復人民啊那我們來看上一次就是砍過頭過去平均馬蔡執政16年每年均刪247億平均刪減的比例是1.189%"},{"start":766.036,"end":794.878,"text":"但是114年藍白聯手刪了2075億比例是6.6也就是過去的5.6倍最後院長應該還記得我今天在前情提要最後還用追加預算立法院砍過頭了然後再來弄一個追加預算來撥破房我希望今年不要但是有兩個課題我們要清楚的來釐清第一個預算"},{"start":795.979,"end":814.756,"text":"史上新高是因為我們拼經濟有成啊是因為我們能夠把經濟發展的紅利編入預算照顧更多的人民啊可是在野黨一再的說總預算編這麼高砍最多就是合理這就是懲罰優等生不是嗎"},{"start":815.757,"end":820.621,"text":"所以說我看到114年確實因為經濟發展很好我們歲數增加了9.8%2800多億但是115年就是現在要省的因為財化法被搬走了3753億我們勉強還能夠正向的增加歲數281億"},{"start":837.995,"end":865.555,"text":"成長只有0.9但我要向這一黨的委員說不是因為預算規模高就要砍得多這完全是謬論我們來看下一頁我們來看看地方議會因為中央拼經濟有成預算規模大我們連帶照顧地方給地方的預算也更多了我們看看六都115年也都是史上新高的預算因為中央給得多再加上才化法"},{"start":866.311,"end":879.565,"text":"但是地方縣市的議會不管是藍綠誰多數大家都還是合理監督啊我們看台北蔣安市長去年今年預算審查只被刪了0.1%"},{"start":881.847,"end":899.799,"text":"新北山了0.24%高雄也是0.1%換言之 預算最高並非就要刪減最多我希望藍白的委員不要再重蹈覆轍最後一頁而才化法是重中之重"},{"start":900.78,"end":929.224,"text":"今年因為被搬了這麼多錢將近四千億是不是在編來年的預算陷入了困難呢財化法還是要審查我希望今天附委的不是直接總預算啊還有政院的財化法能夠撥亂反正啊院長您最後回應一下好嗎在去年國家八點六八的高經濟成長率以及現在我們股市達到四兆美元的一個市產產值中華民國的國民台灣的人民有資格也有條件也有權利"},{"start":980.339,"end":980.906,"text":"好 謝謝薇薇"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:01:53.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.240000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.280000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.460000+08:00","text":"吳委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:01:54.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:01:56.262000+08:00","text":"卓院長，還有所有內閣的同仁，大家辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:01:56.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:02:37.840000+08:00","text":"憲法第六十三條明定立法委員的職責就是議決法律案，第二項就是預算案，非常遺憾，今天的這場質詢應當是在去年的9月就要能夠來進行對話，因為要審查今年的總預算，在拖延了235天之後，終於付委，所以去年9月的工作，立法院拖到今年4月底了。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:02:38.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:02:46.267000+08:00","text":"不過還好我的準備都依舊是非常扣合著主題，但是我希望總預算之亂不要再重蹈覆轍了。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:02:46.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:03:00.758000+08:00","text":"我們也複習一下，114年總預算，那個時候立法院也因為禁伐補償的議題，拖了70天，今年是變本加厲，拖了235天，現在立法院就在趕進度。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:03:03.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:03:39.969000+08:00","text":"今天能夠付委是依據上週非常重要的一場朝野協商，由民進黨黨團總召蔡其昌總召提出來的解方，針對軍人跟警消的加薪，其實是政府的現在進行式，我們也希望能夠合憲合法，所以協商的結論是，兩院同意共推修法，也就是立法委員不會片面的用修法去增加政府預算之支出，會捍衛財政紀律，由行政、立法共同磋商，這是第一件事，是不是半年內就會來啟動？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:03:40.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:03:41.250000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:03:41.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:03:46.686000+08:00","text":"依照憲法跟預算法的精神，立法委員是沒有辦法增加預算的。是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:03:47.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:04:20.589000+08:00","text":"但是如果大幅增加政府的支出，必須要徵詢行政院，並且尋求它的資金來源，這個都必須是法律、憲法的程序，過去若干法律案是沒有這樣做的，所以行政院無法在違法的情況下做，那麼如果這一次的朝野協商，建立了這樣的前提跟共識，未來就是兩院來就應該要編列的預算，立法院可以提出建議，行政院衡量國家的財政紀律跟永續，而且衡量各個公平性、衡平性，我們當然會從照顧人民來著手。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:04:21.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:04:25.671000+08:00","text":"好，我們樂見撥亂反正，未來立法院也不要再重蹈覆轍。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:04:26.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:04:30.553000+08:00","text":"這個修法，我剛剛聽你的報告，應當半年內，我們加速來啟動好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:04:30.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:04:34.654000+08:00","text":"擴大照顧警、消跟軍人的加薪，合理的該加就加。是。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:04:35.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:04.499000+08:00","text":"第二個朝野協商是針對718億新興預算的這一包，民進黨團提出來的解方，就是立法院必須承諾在審查預算的時候不得刪減，否則就會陷於這些行政部門的同仁，一旦動支了，最後預算被刪了，他有法律責任，也有政治責任，所以這一點，包括第三點，中選會的人事同意權，行政院是不是會儘速補提名？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:05.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:12.290000+08:00","text":"針對這兩項，那天朝野協商的後續，也請院長快速跟國人釋疑。謝謝。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:12.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:24.497000+08:00","text":"對於新興預算718億，行政院早早就表示，只要預算付委，那它就進入實質審查，從中抽出來的這個部分，行政院會馬上處理，所以今天就會馬上處理這718億……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:24.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:25.377000+08:00","text":"今天就可以動支？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:26.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:27.779000+08:00","text":"今天就開始？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:27.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:28.779000+08:00","text":"對，等一下付委之後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:27.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:28.959000+08:00","text":"很好，好消息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:29.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:34.742000+08:00","text":"我們就會處理這個事情，讓中央、地方所有公務體系都能夠如序運用。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:36.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:50.069000+08:00","text":"吳委員也提到了中選會，這也是繼剛剛張委員之後，兩位委員同時都提到這個部分，可見朝野都希望讓中選會能夠順利進行，這我也可以承諾，我們會在今天處理。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:50.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:52.270000+08:00","text":"今天也就會儘速的……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:05:52.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:05:59.034000+08:00","text":"今天就處理，我們會送出三位名單，也同時任命大院已經通過同意權的那四位中選會委員。","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:00.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:06:29.244000+08:00","text":"院長的宣示，釋出了非常高度的誠意跟善意，我也希望臺灣的社會、我們朝野都聽見，今天總預算可以付委，預算就是民生，不要再拿任何政治議題來卡住民生，而院長所承諾的，中選會的人事同意權今天就會送出，還有我們718億的新興急迫預算，今天開始就讓各部會大膽支用，照顧人民。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:29.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:06:35.006000+08:00","text":"很好，這是good news，我們就把這樣的正確訊息向社會公布。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:36.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:06:48.149000+08:00","text":"再一項拜託，就是希望韓院長、江副院長跟朝野各黨團能夠儘速排定另外三位新的被提名人的同意權審查，讓中選會十一名委員能夠正常地運作。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:49.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:06:53.530000+08:00","text":"年底的選舉快到了，很多選務可以讓它就緒。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:53.530000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:06:54.530000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:06:53.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:07:06.915000+08:00","text":"今天主持會議的是江副院長，希望立法院也能夠依循我們的審查權限，政院補提名，立法院就嚴謹、合理加速審查，我相信副院長也聽見了。感謝。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:07:07.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:07:10.979000+08:00","text":"我再來扣合民生的另外一個議題，其實也跟預算相關。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:07:12.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:07:43.126000+08:00","text":"中東戰火造成國際油價不斷飆升，為了穩定物價，我看見行政院不斷召集會議、跨部會對話，也提出對策，政府出手了，讓我們的油價成為亞鄰國家（亞洲鄰近國家）的最低價，這就是照顧人民，不讓物價波動，而中油也補貼破了114億，為了讓油價凍漲，不要造成大家的民生負擔。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:07:44.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:08:29.661000+08:00","text":"我看到交通部長也站上來了，大眾運輸的部分也是緩漲，公務部門在海、陸、空運的用油補貼，也破了八十多億，總之，針對公共運輸部分，我們都有在做，油價的凍漲也都在進行，但基於選區非常多基層的多元計程車司機都在問，所以我想請問院長，畢竟油價是上上下下，即便政府努力凍漲，那是不是也能夠對於多元計程車，不管是傳統小黃或者Uber這些，也進行必要的油價補貼？","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:08:29.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:08:30.502000+08:00","text":"行政院有沒有研議？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:08:31.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:08:32.864000+08:00","text":"好，三樣事情跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:08:33.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:08:56.346000+08:00","text":"第一，中油確實為了亞鄰最低價，以及專案平穩的雙重平緩機制，吸收了一百一十多億；另外，台電也吸收了，台電吸收的是LNG的加價，這部分中油並沒有吸收，是由台電吸收，因為台電的電費也沒有漲，所以LNG增加的費用是台電吸收的。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:08:58.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:14.403000+08:00","text":"至於大眾運輸部分，我們回頭來看大眾運輸，現在的油價遠比2月28號高蠻多的，所以現在的油價對這些大眾運輸，不管是客運業者或者計程車業者來講，都是一個相當大的負擔……","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:14.403000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:15.403000+08:00","text":"造成壓力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:15.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:31.477000+08:00","text":"交通部體恤到業者的需求，正在研議如何就中油跟台電之外，針對這種大眾運輸能夠系統性地來規劃，這個部分部長已經有清楚的構想，我們也討論過幾次，但還要再進一步讓它成熟。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:31.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:34.505000+08:00","text":"好，這是大眾運輸，那計程車的部分呢？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:35.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:36.896000+08:00","text":"多元計程車也會納入嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:36.896000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:37.896000+08:00","text":"都屬於在裡面，我請部長回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:37.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:39.818000+08:00","text":"也會納入該補貼就補貼嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:39.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:40.298000+08:00","text":"請部長簡要。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:41.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:09:56.069000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，公共運輸系統影響到一般民眾的日常，我們希望在這個部分不要影響到一般民眾的日常支出，所以希望所有的公共運輸系統都能夠在不漲價的狀況下，讓所有國民享用。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-21T10:09:57.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:10:10.763000+08:00","text":"公共運輸就包含了公路運輸、船舶運輸，還有國內的航空運輸，當然計程車跟多元計程車絕對也是公共運輸的一環，那在我們整體的考量裡面，我們會全盤一起來討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:10:10.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:10:19.514000+08:00","text":"我替小黃計程車、多元計程車來發聲，也希望能夠爭取到必要的補償，政府能做我們儘量做。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:10:20.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:10:40.370000+08:00","text":"當然我知道預算很辛苦，也希望今年的中油預算、台電預算、交通部的預算，在野黨的委員看到我們吸收了這麼多因為戰事而衍生的費用，希望在預算上應當給予台電、中油、交通部門最多的支持，好嗎？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:10:40.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:10:55.418000+08:00","text":"接下來是勞動議題，勞退新制21年了，其實當年上路的勞退新制，民進黨永遠走在最前面，它成為個人帳戶制，可攜式，而且可以享有投資的效益。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:10:56.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:11:19.288000+08:00","text":"那還是有11萬人，臺北市占了4萬人，將近40%，分布在製造業、金融保險業跟公共行政、國防等重點行業，有11萬純舊制的勞工享受不到新制的好處，他長期處於不利的地位。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:11:20.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:11:36.396000+08:00","text":"所以我們民進黨多位立委共同的倡議，包括我是政策會執行長，我們共同來推動純舊制勞工退休權益的改革，確保了勞方的權益，也兼顧了資方的需求。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:11:36.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:05.380000+08:00","text":"所以吳思瑤的要求也是民進黨團的要求，趕快來推動勞退新制舊轉新，自願參與，尊重勞工個人的選擇權，勞雇合意，可以確保制度的運作可行性，以及重點就在能夠提前結算，一次入帳，讓過去累積的退休權益轉化為新制，可攜帶、可累積、可投資，而且有保障。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:06.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:09.162000+08:00","text":"關於這一點，是不是勞動部門能夠……不需要修法嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:09.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:14.345000+08:00","text":"可以直接啟動，請宣示一下，這也是今天的good good news。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:14.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:41.076000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，勞動部其實有聽到很多舊制的勞工，還有委員們的建議，也就是大家希望是不是能夠讓舊制的勞工可以在新制的帳戶裡面，然後能夠有一個專戶，把自己過去在舊制的退休金，能夠放到這個……政府可以來協助執行基金投資的成果，可以一起享有這個成果。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:42.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:55.244000+08:00","text":"我們在近期初步的評估，我們認為這是有可行性的，這個做法我們的確認為可能可以讓超過10萬符合這個退休條件的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:55.244000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:12:56.564000+08:00","text":"將近11萬，對。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-21T10:12:56.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:05.970000+08:00","text":"超過10萬符合退休條件的舊制勞工，可以來增加退休金，所以勞動部願意在這個方向上去做方案的研議。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:06.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:08.011000+08:00","text":"好，那就加速好嗎？好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:08.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:17.576000+08:00","text":"行政部門全力來支持，我們對於勞工的權益，不要因為制度的銜接而遺落了一批人，麻煩大力支持。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:17.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:22.378000+08:00","text":"因為這個方向有機會可以是包括雇主、包括勞工都多贏。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:22.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:26.700000+08:00","text":"都可以獲益，好，這是多贏，謝謝部長，也請政院來支持。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:27.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:13:44.888000+08:00","text":"最後還是回到總預算的課題，總預算砍過頭，114年審最亂、刪最多、凍最嚴，那時候我是黨團幹事長，我在表決的那個晚上，一再地舉牌告訴國人，現在有哪些預算又被報復性的刪減了。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:13:47.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:14:11.547000+08:00","text":"今天才剛付委，看到藍白的黨團他們同樣又來了，又要報復性的審查了，針對NCC、監察院、陸委會媒宣費同樣的手法，也就是114年的總預算之亂，今年好像會持續再上演，我真的不樂見，報復預算就是報復人民。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:14:12.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:14:22.613000+08:00","text":"那我們來看，上一次就是砍過頭，過去馬、蔡執政16年，每年均刪247億，平均刪減的比例是1.189%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:14:29.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:14:39.164000+08:00","text":"但是114年藍白聯手刪了2,075億，比例是6.6%，也就是過去的5.6倍。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:14:39.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:15:02.202000+08:00","text":"最後院長應該還記得，我今天在前情提要，最後還用追加預算，立法院砍過頭了，然後再來弄一個追加預算來補破網，我希望今年不要，但是有兩個課題我們要清楚地釐清：第一個，預算創史上新高，是因為我們拚經濟有成啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:15:03.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:15:08.628000+08:00","text":"是因為我們能夠把經濟發展的紅利編入預算照顧更多的人民啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:15:09.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:15:17.756000+08:00","text":"可是在野黨一再地說，總預算編這麼高，砍最多就是合理，這就是懲罰優等生，不是嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:15:19.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:15:42.496000+08:00","text":"我看到114年確實因為經濟發展很好，歲出增加了9.8%約為二千八百多億，但是115年，也就是現在要審的，因為財劃法被搬走了3,753億，我們只勉強還能正向地增加歲出281億，成長只有0.9%。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:15:42.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:15:50.742000+08:00","text":"我要向在野黨的委員說，不是因為預算規模高就要砍得多，這完全是謬論。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:15:50.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:01.209000+08:00","text":"我們來看看地方議會，因為中央拚經濟有成、預算規模大，我們連帶照顧地方，給地方的預算也更多了。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:01.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:08.535000+08:00","text":"我們看看六都，115年也都創下史上新高的預算，那是因為中央給的多，再加上財劃法之故。","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:09.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:16.318000+08:00","text":"但是地方縣市的議會，不管是藍綠誰多數，大家都還是合理監督。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:17.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:22.565000+08:00","text":"我們看看臺北的蔣萬安市長，去年審查今年的預算，只被刪了0.1%耶！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:24.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:30.231000+08:00","text":"新北被刪了0.24%，高雄也是0.1%。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:30.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:39.977000+08:00","text":"換言之，預算最高並非就要刪減最多，希望藍白委員不要再重蹈覆轍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:41.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:50.626000+08:00","text":"財劃法是重中之重，今年因為被搬了這麼多錢，將近4,000億，是不是在編來年的預算就陷入了困難呢？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:51.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:16:58.612000+08:00","text":"財劃法還是要審查，我希望今天付委的不是只有總預算，還有政院的財劃法能夠撥亂反正。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:16:59.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:17:01.014000+08:00","text":"院長，您最後回應一下，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:17:01.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T10:17:12.204000+08:00","text":"去年國家有8.68%的高經濟成長率，以及現在股市達到4兆美元的產值，中華民國的國民（臺灣的人民）有資格也有條件，也有權利享受更高的中央政府總預算，當作一等國家的人民。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:17:12.704000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:17:44.989714+08:00","text":"所以立法院不要讓我們的總預算又因為政治的報復而報復在人民身上，我再次提醒，立法院該付委的不是只有總預算，還有行政院版的財劃法，行政院版的財劃法已經被延宕、冷凍了147天，這攸關國家的財政紀律，攸關我們能不能把每一分資源用到必要的產業、必要的人民身上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:17:45.289714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:18:03.004000+08:00","text":"行政院已經送出，今天韓院長不在，我再次向江副院長喊話，您未來要角逐地方首長，一定很清楚預算就是民生，對於政院版的財劃法立法院要趕快付委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-21T10:18:03.304000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:18:05.589714+08:00","text":"我們繼續加油，謝謝。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T10:18:05.889714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:18:10.175429+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，也請大院支持新的財劃法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T10:18:10.475429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:18:13.332571+08:00","text":"謝謝吳委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T10:18:13.632571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T10:18:16.775429+08:00","text":"下一位請王鴻薇委員質詢。","quality":0.091}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}