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市議院長"},{"start":622.13,"end":647.483,"text":"我們民眾所希望的是食安的安全那所以因此要請教如果連發芽的馬鈴薯是不能進口的那這樣子最基礎的一個科學共識都能夠在談判當中去談判掉那所以民眾會質疑那未來是不是會開放更多的一個爭議性的農藥等所以本席要在這邊請院長來承諾貿易協定"},{"start":655.63,"end":667.302,"text":"當然我們糧食安全跟國民健康這兩項以及國家跟產業利益這個是列為這次談判的四大優先的一個原則絕對不會破壞那馬鈴薯看這一張是"},{"start":671.826,"end":700.635,"text":"腐爛發霉發芽的馬鈴薯都丟掉了不是丟掉拿去加工用這不要誤會這是加工用的馬鈴薯一旦有腐爛發霉發芽就把它丟掉了但是被誤會說丟掉以後是拿去加工用這是天大的誤會沒有人這麼誤會已經講得很清楚發芽腐爛的丟掉現在重點院長你要針對民眾的質疑重點是在你密閉式的一個運輸當中那麼你整個"},{"start":702.301,"end":723.062,"text":"會不會你雖然把這些丟掉會不會有交叉我們會加強檢驗一旦有毒性整櫃退回好所以要請教如果有這些這個雖然剔除了但是還有一些這個櫃子裡面民眾還是有疑慮你未來是不是可以在整個包裝上面去標註"},{"start":724.503,"end":750.528,"text":"你的來源是經過剔除的這些的一個批示可不可以這樣告訴民眾,民眾就沒有疑慮了嘛我跟委員報告,我們在持定地點檢查以後,我們會重新發檢疫的合格證如果他拿到檢疫的合格證的時候,就視同一般的因為經過整個的一個選別以後,把合格的馬鈴薯留下來發檢疫合格證是一樣的"},{"start":751.408,"end":761.199,"text":"所以院長你去思考讓民眾怎麼樣可以安心這是最重要的你標示清楚就可以最安心了你去思考告訴我們社會大眾接下來本席要請教"},{"start":766.345,"end":784.238,"text":"AI新時代的建設由國發會去統籌經濟部、國科會以及數位部我們預計在2040年投入了1000億以上的資金預計要培植50萬的人才希望創造15兆的產值"},{"start":786.42,"end":814.582,"text":"那115年度我們的預算我看到我們是編列280億包括的營業及非營業特種基金的部分是31億換句話說總共311億比去年我們增加了143億成長是84點多那這表示政府我們全力的來推動AI那但是我們看到目前算力中心多集中在哪裡在南科國網中心以及北部"},{"start":815.242,"end":838.663,"text":"那如果要均衡區域均衡院長你是不是應該要考慮在這個預算應該要在中部地區因為中部地區在整個精密所有都是最完整的生產鏈是不是115年度的預算應該優先在我們的台中來設立請教院長要成立一個算力中心"},{"start":840.509,"end":867.235,"text":"必須要先注意到他的能源的使用要充裕那中科是一個早期發展成熟各個產業都已經進駐的比較多的所以要在裡面找也並非不可但是一定要再詳細的計算用地以及那個能源的使用那南科還有這個沙崙他比較新興的所以他比較容易接受新的產業進來北部的科學院也是如此所以我們希望中部地區我們是"},{"start":868.517,"end":884.913,"text":"把它設定為中部視線是精密智慧新核心它有它光學等等其他的特殊的就是將精密機械來轉為這個AI機器人整個的一個運作它是一個生產性非常完整的"},{"start":885.663,"end":911.113,"text":"AI的導入一定會全面的導入會全面的導入中部地區我們智慧新和精密智慧新和新希望能夠加強的除了它原來的傳產之外把它升級那光學以及航太都是在裡面特殊的所以本期具體建議結合台中的航太跟自動化的能量建立國家級的AI機器人測試的這個驗證場域是否可以"},{"start":912.613,"end":922.423,"text":"機器人的時候可以是可以一定要全面推動帶動整個國家的一個升級產業在台中是最佳的場域好 我們一起合作好 謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:09.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:12.242000+08:00","text":"謝謝院會主席江副院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:12.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:14.805000+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔發言，首先邀請卓院長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:14.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:15.606000+08:00","text":"卓院長請備詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:16.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:22.213000+08:00","text":"各位同仁好，親愛的朋友大家好，還有在樓上的參訪人好。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:28.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:28.281000+08:00","text":"楊委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:29.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:34:29.576000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:34:29.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:35:13.827000+08:00","text":"根據2026年美國貿易障礙評估報告，跟臺美對等的貿易協定當中，行政院、農業部跟衛福部近期調整美國產加工用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件，過去的標準是在邊境的時候，若查驗發現有一顆發芽，整批貨櫃就是退運或者是銷毀，現在放寬是允許有發芽或是腐爛的個體在整顆剔除後，其餘個體可以到指定的工廠加工。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:35:15.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:35:15.908000+08:00","text":"整顆丟掉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:35:16.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:35:46.243000+08:00","text":"你們官方說法告訴我們的是參照日本的模式，強調加工用跟鮮食用的流向是不同的，並設有三大關卡：第一個，施用抑制劑；第二個，邊境抽檢總配醣生物鹼是200ppm；第三個，工廠端的監管，這是你們告訴我們的。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:35:46.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:36:05.576000+08:00","text":"但是毒物科專家告訴我們，龍葵鹼具有神經毒性且耐高溫，所以整櫃馬鈴薯在密閉輸運中發芽，是否會存在交叉污染？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:36:11.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:36:22.248000+08:00","text":"另外，您說有發芽或者是潰爛的個體是整顆丟掉，但是剔除後，是不是能夠百分之百阻絕毒素？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:36:24.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:36:47.005000+08:00","text":"本席認為管理存在盲點，社會輿論開始在質疑我們政府，本來是由海關全負責的把關，但是現在是轉嫁給加工廠，所以在人力不足的時候，會不會在加工廠裡因人力不足而沒有檢查清楚？","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:36:47.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:36:52.869000+08:00","text":"而且你們要怎麼樣落實在整個工廠端的選別及監管？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:36:53.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:36:54.330000+08:00","text":"這點非常重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:36:55.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:14.058000+08:00","text":"所以貿易換食安，很多的團體、家長、爸爸媽媽很緊張，這是不是繼萊豬採用歐盟農藥的標準之後，又一次為貿易利益來犧牲國人的健康紅線？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:14.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:41.757000+08:00","text":"在這樣的背景之下，本席要請教，過去我們對於發芽的馬鈴薯是零容忍的，邊境就是紅線，現在紅線後撤到加工廠內部，所以我要請教，發芽馬鈴薯的毒性難道會因為進了加工廠變成薯片就自動衰減嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:41.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:43.678000+08:00","text":"接下來，本席還要再請教……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:43.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:46.461000+08:00","text":"發芽的馬鈴薯就整顆丟棄了，它不可能製作成其他的產品。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:47.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:49.562000+08:00","text":"而且那一批一定會驗龍葵鹼。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:49.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:37:53.263000+08:00","text":"先等一下，我把問題問好，你們再回答，本席會給你們回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:37:54.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:06.848000+08:00","text":"這樣一個管理邏輯的位移，本質上就是從政府負全責的邊境管理，轉向由業者必須自負盈虧的自主管理。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:07.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:19.001000+08:00","text":"院長，對於臺灣加工廠的自律程度，你認為會比我們國家海關的專業檢驗更有信心嗎？","quality":0.543},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:19.001000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:23.166000+08:00","text":"院長，請作說明。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:23.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:24.167000+08:00","text":"針對檢驗的過程，我請部長說明。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:24.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:43.415000+08:00","text":"我先跟委員報告，我想委員對農業非常了解，我們為了保護臺中豐原的馬鈴薯，所以在民國95年的時候，我們特別訂定了芽體不能超過0.5公分，目的是為了防止這些國外進口的馬鈴薯進到我們的田裡面去，跟我們國內的馬鈴薯競爭……","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:43.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:46.667500+08:00","text":"所以本席說連芽體……好……","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:46.667500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:38:49.920000+08:00","text":"院長，你聽喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:38:49.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:01.169000+08:00","text":"連芽體長度我們都非常嚴格，這就是對於食安有危險的，我們絕對會嚴格把關，而且是零容忍，一定要安全。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:01.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:03.311000+08:00","text":"所以在這樣的情況之下，本席要請教的問題……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:07.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:08.836000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，芽體長度的問題跟毒素是沒有關聯性的。","quality":0.304},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:09.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:09.897000+08:00","text":"部長，你等一下再回答，本席現在沒有請你回答。","quality":0.421},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:10.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:23.153000+08:00","text":"院長，本席是要請教你，以往我們連芽體都這麼注意，你現在真的認為工廠的自主管理會比國家海關的專業檢驗還要有信心嗎？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:25.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:26.537000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，因為這還是……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:26.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:29.581000+08:00","text":"請教院長，這是原則性的問題，您認為呢？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:30.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:39:51.623000+08:00","text":"食安的問題，我們當然是列為首要，但邊境的管理，我剛剛說過，在美國如果馬鈴薯發芽或表面附著土壤是不可能出口的，而這過程中一旦有芽發生了，我們就會把它丟棄，絕不會拿去做任何加工產品。好。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:39:52.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:00.087000+08:00","text":"請問在密閉式的輸運當中，你發覺有一顆、幾顆……你把有問題的丟掉……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:00.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:01.308000+08:00","text":"我們會全部檢查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:01.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:06.651000+08:00","text":"其他的會不會有交叉污染的問題？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:06.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:07.651000+08:00","text":"我們會重新發檢驗證明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:07.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:08.651000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們的抽驗……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:06.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:10.094000+08:00","text":"請教會不會有交叉污染？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:10.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:11.255000+08:00","text":"民眾要聽的是這個。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:11.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:33.508000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，沒錯，抽驗跟檢驗標準沒有改變，即使它有沒有發芽，我們都會有抽驗的程序，換言之，過去是整櫃退，它沒有抽驗的問題；現在沒有整櫃退，我們就會抽驗，因為其中有一顆有芽體，那一批我們就會抽驗，一驗出超標就整批退回。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:34.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:39.517000+08:00","text":"好，所以換句話說，院長您聽清楚了，還是會有交叉感染的疑慮。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:39.517000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:40.517000+08:00","text":"會驗、會驗，不論有沒有，我們都會驗。會驗。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:39.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:40:47.362000+08:00","text":"接下來，本席要問，農業部說要參考日本的模式，日本怎麼做呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:40:47.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:41:02.512000+08:00","text":"日本有嚴謹的指定工廠特許制度跟極高額的違規成本，請教院長，針對目前所配合的指定加工廠，你有派駐常駐監管人員在那裡嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:41:03.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:41:27.697000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，不是指定的加工廠，是指定的地點，在指定的地點做篩檢，把不合格的東西丟棄，它還是邊境檢疫的一環，因為整個東西是封櫃而且經過押車督導的，不是從此就流到市場去，或讓加工廠自己來處理，這是非常重要的。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:41:29.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:41:38.766000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，沒有完成檢驗程序之前，還是在海關，它是在冷凍櫃裡面，並不會流入工廠。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:41:38.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:41:40.207000+08:00","text":"這是政府告訴我們的喔！對。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:41:40.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:41:42.249000+08:00","text":"這是民眾的疑慮喔！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:41:42.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:13.925000+08:00","text":"接下來，本席要請教，如果這一個發芽的馬鈴薯，在加工廠的時候你把整櫃……這顆有問題的你把剔除，所以我們剛才質疑，會不會在密閉式的輸入過程中有交互污染的疑慮，你們現在告訴我們說，還會針對這一櫃全部重新檢驗，是不是如此？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:14.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:30.382000+08:00","text":"在過去，不論有沒有發芽，我們都有抽驗的標準，現在如果發現有一顆發芽而被農業部特別挑出來的，我們也會再加驗，驗出來只要超標，整櫃就會退運。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:31.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:45.766000+08:00","text":"院長，現在部長告訴我們說如果有這個狀況，他們會加驗，這個就是家長的質疑，因為他們深怕如果變薯片、薯條，我們不知道吃到的到底是不是來自於有發芽的馬鈴薯……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:45.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:46.766000+08:00","text":"加驗之後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:45.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:57.154000+08:00","text":"或者是這一櫃裡頭有被剔除的部分，其餘部分會不會有交互污染的疑慮？","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:57.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:58.154000+08:00","text":"這跟日本的做法一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:58.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:42:59.154000+08:00","text":"加驗之後，有毒的就整櫃退了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:42:58.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:01.059000+08:00","text":"家長的疑慮是如此……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:02.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:09.210000+08:00","text":"加驗之後有毒性的就整櫃退，不可能加驗之後有毒性的做成薯條、薯片，讓我們來吃，不可能。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:09.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:10.210000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:09.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:12.352000+08:00","text":"好，這個是政府告訴我們的。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:12.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:21.496000+08:00","text":"所以本席要請教，因為家長一直希望我們的食安……我相信院長你也是堅持零容忍的，一定要全面的安全。是。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:22.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:28.539000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，大家都是希望……日本的做法是如此，那我們……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:28.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:30.280000+08:00","text":"一樣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:30.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:48.714000+08:00","text":"因為很多人會有質疑，在有疑慮的時候，政府必須要跟民眾說明清楚，在這樣的情況之下，就是深怕我們為了要妥協食安的紅線，所以拿國外的制度來作為食安的遮羞布……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:48.714000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:49.714000+08:00","text":"不會、不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:49.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:43:53.438000+08:00","text":"這是讓民眾非常不安的，一定要說明清楚。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:43:54.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:44:04.285000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們在某個程度上是比日本還嚴格的，日本的加工馬鈴薯是直接到加工廠去處理，我們還去檢查它有沒有芽體，是為了防止它流出市面。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:44:05.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:44:18.536000+08:00","text":"我們整個邊境的檢查是延伸到指定地點去做有效的去除，來保證每一顆腐爛的、發芽的都不會進到我們的消費市場，這個是可以確定的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:44:19.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:44:46.463000+08:00","text":"院長，民眾所希望的是食安的安全，因此要請教，如果連發芽的馬鈴薯是不能進口這樣最基礎的科學共識都能夠在談判當中被犧牲掉，那民眾會質疑未來是不是會開放更多具爭議性的農藥等，所以本席在這邊請院長承諾，貿易協定不能建立在民眾承擔風險的代價上。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:44:54.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:05.841000+08:00","text":"當然，糧食安全跟國民健康這兩項，以及國家跟產業利益，這是列為這次談判的四大優先原則，絕對不會破壞。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:05.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:27.471000+08:00","text":"馬鈴薯，如同這張圖所示，是腐爛、發霉、發芽的馬鈴薯都丟掉了，不是丟掉拿去加工用，不要誤會，加工用的馬鈴薯一旦有腐爛、發霉、發芽，就把它丟掉了，但是被誤會說丟掉以後拿去加工用，這是天大的誤會。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:27.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:28.551000+08:00","text":"沒有人這麼誤會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:28.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:29.551000+08:00","text":"有啦，你剛剛說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:28.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:31.592000+08:00","text":"已經講得很清楚，發芽、腐爛的丟掉。對。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:32.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:44.444000+08:00","text":"現在重點是，院長，你要針對民眾的質疑，重點是在密閉式的運輸當中，你雖然把這些丟掉，但整個會不會有交叉污染？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:44.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:45.444000+08:00","text":"這是重點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:45.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:45:49.589000+08:00","text":"剛剛說了，我們會加強檢驗，一旦有毒性，整櫃退回。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:45:50.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:08.264000+08:00","text":"好，所以要請教，雖然剔除了，但是對於這個櫃子，民眾還是有疑慮，未來是不是可以在整個包裝上面標註來源是經過剔除的批次？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:09.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:10.364000+08:00","text":"可不可以這樣告訴民眾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:10.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:11.404000+08:00","text":"民眾就沒有疑慮了嘛，標示清楚，就不會有疑慮了。","quality":0.45},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:12.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:29.508000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，我們在指定地點檢查以後，我們會重新發檢疫的合格證，如果他拿到檢疫合格證，就視同一般的，因為經過整個的選別以後，把合格的馬鈴薯留下來，發檢疫合格證是一樣的。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:30.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:39.719000+08:00","text":"院長，你去思考怎麼樣讓民眾可以安心，這是最重要的，標示清楚就可以最安心了，你去思考，告訴我們社會大眾。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:39.719000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:40.719000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們對國產的馬鈴薯也是同樣的方式。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:39.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:46:52.911000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要請教，有關AI新十大建設，由國發會統籌，相關部會包括經濟部、國科會以及數位部。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:46:54.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:03.218000+08:00","text":"預計在2040年投入1,000億以上的資金，預計要培植50萬個人才，希望創造15兆的產值。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:06.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:25.455000+08:00","text":"我看到115年度的預算是編列280億，包括營業及非營業特種基金的部分是31億，總共311億，比去年增加了143億，成長是百分之八十四點多，這表示我們政府全力來推動AI。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:26.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:30.599000+08:00","text":"但是我們看到目前算力中心都集中在哪裡？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:30.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:42.830000+08:00","text":"在南科國網中心以及北部，如果要區域均衡，院長，你是不是應該要考慮將這個預算用在中部地區？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:42.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:54.421000+08:00","text":"因為中部地區有最完整的生產鏈，是不是115年度的預算應該優先在我們臺中來設立？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:55.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:47:55.802000+08:00","text":"請教院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:47:55.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:15.232000+08:00","text":"要成立一個算力中心，必須要先注意到它的能源使用要充裕，中科是一個早期發展成熟，各個產業都已經進駐比較多的，所以要在裡面找也並非不可，但是一定要再詳細地計算用地以及能源使用。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:15.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:23.854000+08:00","text":"南科還有沙崙是比較新興的，所以比較容易接受新的產業進來，北部的科學園區也是如此。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:24.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:34.484000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望中部地區，中部四縣市我們是把它設定為精密智慧新核心，因為它有光學等等其他特殊產業。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:34.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:43.893000+08:00","text":"就是將精密機械轉為AI機器人，整個運作是一個生產線，非常完整的。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:44.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:46.664000+08:00","text":"AI的導入，一定會全面來導入。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:47.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:47.824000+08:00","text":"會全面的導入？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:48.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:48:58.848000+08:00","text":"中部地區精密智慧新核心希望能夠加強的，除了將原來的傳產升級之外，光學以及航太都在裡面，是特殊的。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:48:59.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:10.093000+08:00","text":"本席具體建議，結合臺中的航太跟自動化的能量，建立國家級的AI機器人測試的驗證場域，是否可以？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:11.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:12.314000+08:00","text":"機器人是OK。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:12.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:13.054000+08:00","text":"這可以？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:13.054000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:14.054000+08:00","text":"對，機器人也有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:13.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:19.942000+08:00","text":"一定要全面推動，帶動整個國家的升級產業，臺中是最佳的場域。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:20.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:20.943000+08:00","text":"好，我們一起合作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:21.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:21.403000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:21.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:21.423000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:21.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:24.780143+08:00","text":"謝謝楊委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-21T11:49:25.080143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-21T11:49:28.223000+08:00","text":"下一位請王定宇委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}