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你沒有辦法給他時間表因為他有問過因素會影響這方面你剛才是跟我說他都沒有跟你問喔"},{"start":590.419,"end":606.485,"text":"你要講清楚他有關心 他當然會關心但是他沒有要求什麼時候要完成審查他沒有要求 他說他有關心你現在還說他有關心嗎?他當然會關心啊所以總統是很擔心我們的靈魂不足嘛所以他有關心是你沒有給他答案嗎?是不是這樣?"},{"start":618.18,"end":634.308,"text":"我核安會立場是沒有辦法給他確定可以越轉的時間因為很多因素有影響人的時間到底總統剛才是有關心或沒有關心,有跟你說謊或沒有跟你說謊他有關心啦,但我沒有辦法回答時間有關心或沒有問,沒有問還可以關心真厲害啊,真厲害"},{"start":642.859,"end":653.737,"text":"你也真好運,你小到厲害你剛才把這些問題都從包包座位,紅骨包刀啊又沒答案,又沒第三人,又貼總統餅蓋不錯,好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:44.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:45.811000+08:00","text":"主席，請陳主委。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:47.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:47.672000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:55.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:55.194000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:55.194000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:56.194000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:55.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:17.164000+08:00","text":"在你的報告裡面，有關日本排放核能污染的海水，對於氚跟銫，我們是只有監控氚而已嗎？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:17.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:21.587000+08:00","text":"我們監控的不只氚而已，還有其他的。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:22.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:26.910000+08:00","text":"國際現在是針對氚跟銫比較有指標性的數據。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:29.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:30.392000+08:00","text":"我們請輻射中心主任回答。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:31.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:31.753000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:33.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:39.578000+08:00","text":"目前IAEA裡面是還沒有說有污染的報告，對吧？有嗎？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:43.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:49.576000+08:00","text":"目前IAEA就日本排放的水的檢測結果都沒有異常。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:51.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:55.420000+08:00","text":"沒有，好，那麼我國對於這個海水的監控，你們有什麼作為？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:01.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:32.518000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前我們有跟農業部、海巡署、水試所等等的單位進行臺灣海域的監測，總共有107個點位，分不同的頻度，比如說，每季、每半年、每年去取樣，取樣的核種，如同委員剛剛講的，我們主要監控的核種在水的部分是以氚跟銫為主，但是我們也有做其他核種的監測，比如說……","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:32.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:37.001000+08:00","text":"所以107個點是以固定座標去取樣？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:40.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:41.325000+08:00","text":"對，那個包含……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:41.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:43.386000+08:00","text":"到目前已經取樣幾次了？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:47.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:51.064000+08:00","text":"如同剛剛講的，我們每一季會取樣、每半年會取樣……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:51.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:51.784000+08:00","text":"你取樣幾次了？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:57.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:59.327000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你跟我說大約就好，我接受。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:03.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:06.949000+08:00","text":"一年大概會有五百多次以上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:07.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:10.150000+08:00","text":"取樣五百多次，我們自己檢測嗎？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:10.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:19.204000+08:00","text":"對，所有的核種都是送到偵測中心或者國原院去檢測。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:19.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:21.546000+08:00","text":"目前都完全沒有檢出異樣？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:22.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:22.788000+08:00","text":"沒有發現異狀。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:22.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:34.151000+08:00","text":"貴會有針對海洋所捕捉的魚類、魚體做檢測嗎？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:34.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:49.977000+08:00","text":"有，漁業署有提供我們海生物來進行檢測，同樣的，針對海生物我們也是有對於氚、銫這些核種進行檢測。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:49.977000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:50.977000+08:00","text":"完全沒有異常？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任志平","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:49.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:51.318000+08:00","text":"目前也都沒有發現異常情形。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:53.014000+08:00","gues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