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Leo的衛星就必須搭配它的接收器，Starlink就必須搭配Starlink的接收器，這些接收器目前很大一部分的供應鏈都是在臺灣，可是實際的銷售還是在這些星系手中。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:25.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:29.748000+08:00","text":"至於委員提到，萬一臺灣發生緊急狀況，他會不會毀約？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:30.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:33.491000+08:00","text":"如果他到時候毀約，這絕對要負法律責任。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:34.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:53.044000+08:00","text":"現在如果是由臺灣公司來代理，這個法律責任會是在於臺灣的代理公司跟國外公司之間B2B的糾紛；如果是民間直接來賣，會變成是臺灣的使用者直接對它的總公司，這個對我們來講的確會比較麻煩。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:53.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:13.091000+08:00","text":"部長，我具體的建議是，中華電信或者數位部在要求這些相關代理的時候，必須要將本地的地面站點管理權以及緊急頻寬的保障納入合約。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:13.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:27.406000+08:00","text":"第二，我們要加速衛星資安標準的檢測，要建立跟國際接軌，例如必須與歐盟的漏洞檢測技術規範接軌。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:29.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:42.115000+08:00","text":"另外，要擴大衛星多元軌道的運用，加強中軌和低軌的混合運用，分散單一星系失效的風險。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:42.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:43.976000+08:00","text":"最後讓你來補充說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:44.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:04.769000+08:00","text":"是，非常同意委員的建議，這是非常好的建議，我們要儘量多元，因為這些衛星星鏈的提供商有幾方面的風險，一個是技術的風險，因為這個技術太新了，他可能原來預計要這麼做，到時候卻發生技術的問題。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:04.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:18.118000+08:00","text":"另外也有商業的風險，因為有一些公司還沒有進入賺錢的狀況，它的營運也是一種風險，所以我們儘量多找幾個星系談，這個對臺灣來講是最安全的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:18.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:21.600000+08:00","text":"好，請主委跟部長嚴加督促相關的工作內容。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:22.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:23.593000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的提醒跟支持，謝謝。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:24.093000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:27.235857+08:00","text":"好，謝謝李昆澤委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:27.535857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:30.678714+08:00","text":"接下來請魯明哲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}