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Reactor還有這個Nature另外三種反應器它可以大幅減少七成以上的傳統跟傳統核廢料可以減少七成以下的核廢器物"},{"start":455.646,"end":470.783,"text":"我想這個部分其實為什麼我今天會特別的提出來因為其實大家對於SMR還是有一些期待但是我們不能只講好處然後不談風險這是我想要點出的一個問題最後一點時間我想這個合一的藥品它其實不是存量的問題我想這個是時間的問題"},{"start":473.686,"end":488.442,"text":"那我要談的是國家藥物的韌性我想很多人其實忽略了一件事情就是合一的藥品其實它是不能囤也就是因為它的效果會隨著時間而衰退像大家現在都在聚焦所謂的TC99M"},{"start":489.463,"end":507.723,"text":"半衰期其實只有六個小時那它是用在哪裡呢它是用在比方說像甲狀腺啦或骨骼啦或者是腦部的一些檢查那就算有其實它有時間的一個半衰期但是這個問題不只是有沒有而是來不來得及那這個部分其實我們在整個所有的"},{"start":508.163,"end":529.789,"text":"大家在聚焦這個部分那我們其他的一些合一的需求該怎麼辦那另外呢我們的產能到底夠不夠還是我們這一半是仰賴進口那另外就是說沒有原料但是其實試劑也很重要所謂的試劑沒有KIDS這些醫院根本用不了那這個部分我們是不是簡短的回答一下是那個產能的部分"},{"start":530.949,"end":558.392,"text":"產能的部分像TC99半衰期是只有6小時但是我們有一個KIT可以來發生器可以來產生這個所以就是透過這個計畫那雖然是TC99所以現在還在進發階段還是說我們自己已經開始有國內自主的一個產能這個產能目前是還是靠進口沒有錯但是我們還有其他的新機梗塞的鑄灌劑像剛剛所說的Solen201現在供應量是4成"},{"start":559.273,"end":573.591,"text":"我們70MV明年上來以後可以到七成到八成那加67這個半衰期78小時這個達到目前是百分之百將來也應該是百分之百這個另外KIDS的供應這個"},{"start":576.161,"end":602.55,"text":"因為不同跟不同的試劑來做一個熬合所以它的班差距比較短所以必須為什麼要藥物韌性必須在醫院裡面立即做標記標記以後不能長期仰賴國外進口所以要透過這樣一個四年的藥物韌性計畫來提高一個藥物韌性的一個自主跟國內尤其在疫情或者特殊的狀況戰爭時候能夠有儲備足夠的核藥物"},{"start":605.591,"end":632.99,"text":"戰備的庫存的一個標準這個也一定要就是準備好這個不管是中期或者是短期甚至我們的長期那最重要的是有原料沒有用其實四季也很重要我們也鼓勵我們自己國內有這樣子的一個生產的一個量能存在好那我想今天這個不管是核電也好SMR也好或者是我們講的這個合一的藥物其實本質都是同一件事情安全不能打折那準備不能做半套然後再來我們的資訊一定要公開好 謝謝"},{"start":634.991,"end":635.026,"text":"谢谢大家"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:52.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:53.130000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:53.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:55.411000+08:00","text":"有請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:55.411000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:59.151500+08:00","text":"有請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:59.151500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:02.892000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:02.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:03.333000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:03.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:09.634000+08:00","text":"我要來關心，同時我也要提問，關心跟提問我今天都會進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:11.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:35.362000+08:00","text":"我想台電已經在3月底送出核三廠再運轉計畫，三大前提是最基本的條件，包含安全無虞、核廢有解及社會共識，這三大前提都要兼顧才能夠談重啟的部分，確切的時間表當然也不能急。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:36.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:44.865000+08:00","text":"但是我想要問的，先講很簡單的問題，核三如果要重啟，我們人員人力到底夠不夠？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:44.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:45.065000+08:00","text":"再來專不專業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:45.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:56.052000+08:00","text":"我想核電廠不是按開關繼續把它開下去就可以了，重啟那一刻是非常重要的關鍵。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:57.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:02.458000+08:00","text":"但現在外界其實擔心除了設備以外，最重要的是人的部分。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:03.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:05.020000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要先提人的部分？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:05.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:11.727000+08:00","text":"因為我們知道核工人才流失，甚至現在可能會找退休人員回來支援。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:12.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:19.793000+08:00","text":"我想問，現在操作員的考試是不是還是聚焦在正常運轉的範圍當中？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:20.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:30.821000+08:00","text":"如果重啟是高風險的狀態，考題會不會也因為這一段的設計來做一些不同內容的更改？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:31.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:35.004000+08:00","text":"第二個，退休回任真的安全嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:35.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:38.747000+08:00","text":"我想人才專業度也要納入審查非常重要的項目。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:40.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:58.682000+08:00","text":"如果真的離開一線多年，這些人力回到現場支援，他會不會因為反應速度不夠，或者是對於系統的熟不熟悉，這其實也是要納入考量的一個重點。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:58.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:13.149000+08:00","text":"再來，第三點，我覺得比較重要的是，如果因為專業人力不足而沒有達標，核安會能不能夠直接說不能重啟，還是我們會降低審查的門檻？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:13.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:14.370000+08:00","text":"這個部分請主委回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:15.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:24.332000+08:00","text":"人力資源配備確實是核安審查一個重要的標準，詳細的部分，我想請高組長回答。好。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:25.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:52.570000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，有關於運轉人員考試這部分，會裡面本身就有一套的考試機制，由核安會自己的資深同仁來擔任考官，考試的題目當然依照法規都會包括正常運轉操作跟異常操作，異常操作就會包括剛才委員所提到的，再運轉期間可能會遇到一些問題，這些都會納入考試的題目裡面。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:53.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:55.174000+08:00","text":"所以考試的內容會重新再設計？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:55.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:56.896000+08:00","text":"都會，包括正常跟異常的狀況。好。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:58.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:11:10.547000+08:00","text":"另外，對於離開一線多年的人再回來，我想專業度很重要，我剛剛有講，這部分是不是也放在專業審查的範圍當中？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:11:11.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:11:19.614000+08:00","text":"而且是用同樣的標準，而不是因為他們已經離開現場多年，回來之後我考試的分數，或者是我的標準降低，會這樣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-04-22T10:11:19.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:11:49.039000+08:00","text":"不會，有關於退離的人員再回來支援電廠這部分，也是屬於台電公司的包商管理這一環，這部分本來台電公司就要依照品保的程序去進行包商的資格管控，以及作業程序品質的掌握，核安會也會透過現場視察去查證台電公司整個作業的狀況，包括包商這部分的作業品質。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:11:50.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:12:03.009000+08:0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Salt Reactor），還有快中子反應器，這種因為是比較新的使用，所以它的壽命現在還在測試階段，要等五年以後會比較明確。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:58.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:21.765000+08:00","text":"對於核廢料的處理，傳統核廢料部分，輕水式反應器SMR跟我們大型的差不多，但是像Molten Salt Reactor、Neutron Reactors等另外三種反應器跟傳統相比，可以減少七成以上的核廢棄物。","quality":0.734},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:23.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:25.809000+08:00","text":"這部分為什麼我今天會特別提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:25.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:33.278000+08:00","text":"因為其實大家對於SMR還是有一些期待，但是我們不能只講好處，不談風險，這是我想要點出的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:33.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:59.446000+08:00","text":"最後一點時間，核醫的藥品其實不是存量的問題，因為時間的關係，我要談的是國家藥物的韌性，我想很多人其實忽略了一件事情，核醫的藥品其實不能囤，因為它的效果會隨著時間而衰退，像大家現在都在聚焦Tc-99m，它的半衰期其實只有六個小時，它是用在哪裡？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:59.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:11.379000+08:00","text":"它是用在比方像甲狀腺、骨骼，或者是腦部的一些檢查，就算有，但其實它有時間的半衰期，但是這個問題不只是有沒有，而是來不來得及。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:15.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:20.324000+08:00","text":"大家聚焦這個部分，我們其他的一些核醫需求該怎麼辦？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:20.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:24.365000+08:00","text":"另外，我們的產能到底夠不夠，還是我們一半仰賴進口？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:25.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:34.428000+08:00","text":"另外，沒有原料，但是試劑也很重要，沒有kits，這些醫院根本用不了，產能的部分是不是簡短回答我一下？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:37.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:51.220000+08:00","text":"產能的部分，像Tc-99m半衰期只有六小時，但是我們有一個kits可以來產生這個，所以就是透過這個計畫，雖然是Tc-99m……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:52.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:16:55.924000+08:00","text":"現在還在計畫階段，還是我們自己已經開始有國內自主的產能？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:16:56.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:10.138000+08:00","text":"產能目前還是靠進口沒有錯，但是我們還有其他心肌梗塞的注灌劑，像剛剛所說的Thallium-201，現在供應量是四成，將來我們明年72 MeV上來以後可以達到七成到八成。","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:12.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:16.766000+08:00","text":"鎵-67半衰期78小時，目前是達到100%，將來也應該是100%。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:18.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:31.224000+08:00","text":"另外，kits的供應，因為跟不同的試劑來做螯合，它的半衰期比較短，所以為什麼要藥物韌性？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:31.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:49.530000+08:00","text":"必須在醫院裡面立即做標劑，因為不能長期仰賴國外進口，所以要透過四年的藥物韌性計畫，來提高藥物韌性的自主，讓國內尤其在疫情或者特殊的狀況、戰爭時候能夠儲備足夠的核醫藥物。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:52.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:56.974000+08:00","text":"所以戰備庫存的標準，這也一定要準備好。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:56.974000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:17:57.974000+08:00","text":"要考量到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:17:57.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:07.681000+08:00","text":"不管是中期或者是短期，甚至長期，最重要的是有原料沒有用，其實試劑也很重要，我們也鼓勵國內有生產的量能存在。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:08.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:19.990000+08:00","text":"我想今天不管是核電也好、SMR也好，或者是我們講的核醫的藥物，其實本質都是同一件事情，安全不能打折，準備不能做半套；再來，我們的資訊一定要公開，謝謝。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:20.490000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:21.632857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:21.932857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:23.932857+08:00","text":"謝謝郭昱晴委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:24.232857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:26.804286+08:00","text":"下一位請陳秀寳委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}