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謝謝"},{"start":282.918,"end":308.37,"text":"那这边我还是要提醒核安会因为国际间现在认为说既然他们认为核龙核是有可以发展的就是是可行性高的那我们还是要关注国际的趋势虽然说我们现在基础的有建制的但是后面的脚步我们也不能落后因为我们还是在我们自己的国家之内我们要去评估怎样的发电方式对我们国家是最有利的那接下来我想请教"},{"start":309.17,"end":326.203,"text":"主委我們在核能設施除液及核栽應變的處置過程之中機器人成為不可或缺的重要工具但是目前我們這個機器人還是有賴有線連接的操作模式而且很容易受到現場輻射的影響對這些相關的內部的半導體元件會造成嚴重的損壞"},{"start":330.486,"end":359.022,"text":"那電燃也可能因為有纏繞或斷裂這種問題那日本呢他們有投入研發具這個高度抗輻射能力的這個Wi-Fi的接收晶片而且目前他們已經研發成功了在核事故這個核冷的處理現場這個無線操作會帶來一個很大的進展那主委我想請教核安會目前我們有沒有在進行相關就是提升晶片抗輻射能力的這個相關的研究"},{"start":363.304,"end":385.383,"text":"報告委員我們現在在我們的科研計畫裡面我們有這個像用在太空抗輻射的晶片的相關研究我們是有的那是太空抗輻射的這個部分那對於我剛提到的這個在核設施核在應變的相關的機器的應用我們也同樣有這樣的技術在並行研究嗎"},{"start":386.645,"end":398.164,"text":"我們跟國科會的一個聯合的一個科學研究計畫裡面我們有針對這個機器人我想這個委員提的非常好"},{"start":400.175,"end":414.167,"text":"那邊的機器人研究跟我們這邊抗輻射晶片的機器人的研究是不是可以把它combine起來像是日本的這些我們在核災是不是可以應用我想這在未來我們也會投入這一塊來因為其實就像您剛剛回答的"},{"start":417.97,"end":443.759,"text":"那如果它是each同工之妙就是說我們有這樣子的設施那其實可以用在不管是我們太空的產業或是在我們相關的核能設備因為我們現在也有核電廠正在處理的階段那如果有這樣子的抗輻射機器人可以投入現場我想對於相關人員的這些風險會更低更安全"},{"start":444.719,"end":473.232,"text":"你們有沒有預計可以什麼時候來投入相關的這樣的研製這部分非常謝謝委員的提點那是不是容我們在整個完整的仔細研究因為像現在我們的輻射應變方面那這個部分我希望何安慧你們就有這一點就是這個抗輻射機器實際運用的時程你們來做一個規劃那如果有進展的時候請你將一份報告給我辦公室可以嗎"},{"start":474.372,"end":501.057,"text":"是 没问题好 那接下来我想要来请教主委关于合工人才的状况因为刚才我们讲不管是合龙猴的部分SML的部分还是刚才讲这个抗辐射机器人这个研究那这些都需要相关的人才合工人才那我想没有这些基本的合工人才我们未来相关的研究都会受到延宕我想主委您也是认同这样子的是的"},{"start":501.397,"end":528.882,"text":"那在上次的业务报告的时候有很多委员关心我国合工人才培养的问题那再加上说国际间像现在刚刚提到的各种发电的技术啊方式都有新的进展那我们如果要参与或了解相关国际的进度要跟着上脚步我们在合工合能相关的人才都是非常的必要非常的重要我想请教主委我们有没有相关的计划或合作的方式来进一步培养这些人才"},{"start":529.782,"end":554.328,"text":"有的除了我們向教育部升級三位獎金每年三位去美國研讀合共博士之外我們國研院這方面也有做很多這方面的跟國外的實驗室跟大學的一些合作計畫而且我們也替"},{"start":555.615,"end":572.645,"text":"比如说国务院和清华大学争取很多研究经费让他多收一些研究生及做一些研究计划让更多的学生能够加入这个合共的行列这方面我们各方面我们都尽量的努力来争取"},{"start":573.545,"end":591.913,"text":"所以主委您也是非常的用心在我們人才的培育這一塊但是我也希望說除了我們很用心的我們讓這些人才有深造有進修的機會之外呢他們到國外去進修也好還是說我們從國外吸收這些人才進來國內也好"},{"start":593.314,"end":615.019,"text":"就希望說我們有更好的條件那有更讓他們可以發揮的空間因為這個我們相關的合共發展如果我們培育人才結果他後來是往國外去發展的是一個很大的損失所以除了說我們去培育他之外我們要有怎樣的制度有怎樣的環境讓他們可以留在我們國內我想這是非常重要主委您的看法呢"},{"start":615.499,"end":631.895,"text":"是的,我們要有機制吸引合共人才到臺灣工作或留下合共人才這方面各方面我們都有做這方面的工作那這個我希望說你們可以給我一份你們對於相關培育人才的報告給我辦公室可以嗎?"},{"start":632.995,"end":657.55,"text":"我再跟主席借一點點時間喔接下來我想請教關於我們核醫藥的國家隊的問題喔我國的核醫藥呢八成以上是來自進口但因為缺乏這個藥品韌性而且因為核醫藥呢它的藥品的特性它是沒辦法囤藥它的百酸期很短它沒辦法囤藥我們也常常因為受到國外一些外在因素的影響呢所以"},{"start":658.23,"end":676.839,"text":"我們一些合一藥我們必須要有自己有辦法自產自製那剛才我有聽到你們的回答其他委員就說我們將來我們在新的這些設施這個70mEV迴旋加速器如果建制完成我們的合一藥品會有7成以上是可以自製是這樣嗎"},{"start":678.28,"end":706.938,"text":"包委員是 現在某些藥物啦 像加67我們已經百分之百那土耳其新基銜以下現在是四成左右那明年70MV會今年年底完成建制 四年的建制 明年開始測試所以明年以後可以提高 應該可以提高到七成到八成那我還是要請教喔 未來我們相關的核醫藥自產自製我們最急需的是什麼 除了設備 我們的人才呢"},{"start":710.405,"end":735.636,"text":"報告委員 人才方面我們現在同位訴所 相關的人才已經有接近100位的同仁 他們都是35年前第一台30MV很多都是35年第一台30MV開始建置完成 運轉的時候就已經在那一邊 還有一些同仁是這樣那最近幾年我們也極力招募 今年我們也開放10個區 就給合一藥物"},{"start":736.496,"end":765.396,"text":"针对这个国家药物团队这个所需要的不管是生物科技或者是药学或者是生命科学的这一方面的人所以我们已经有针对未来我们核医药的发展所需要的人才在做培训以及招募是是是那我这边再问你刚才我们提到了关于这个太空元件的抗辐射这个我们相关的这些太空中心跟核安会的合作对于太空元件抗晶片这个晶片抗辐射的检测"},{"start":766.376,"end":784.012,"text":"這個部分這個機制我們是由我們這邊主動還是說你們怎樣的一個合作是我們對於這個低軌道衛星還有車輛的這個晶片我們長期跟國內一些半導體廠都把晶片送來我們這邊做測試這是從三年前就開始先用32V這個是"},{"start":786.734,"end":808.386,"text":"10到30個NVV將來70個NVV完成以後可以低軌道衛星可以擴散到30到70個NVV所以這個都已經有規劃而且現在國內一些晶片的大廠都有送過分他們所需要原來要去國外測試的晶片先送來我們這裡做測試目前已經在進行三年以上"},{"start":808.971,"end":832.587,"text":"好謝謝最後本席還是要強調核安不只是只有發電的時候我們要去顧慮到其實在醫藥上在醫學上醫療上都非常的重要所以希望說核安會跟其他的部門也要相應的就是持續的合作然後繼續來精進我們要顧好核安才能保護我們民眾的安全以上謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:38.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:40.656000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請核安會陳主委。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:41.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:41.256000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:49.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:49.377000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:49.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:18:49.497000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:18:51.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:19:34.116000+08:00","text":"首先想先請教主委，關於我們核能發電未來走向相關的議題，目前我們在新聞上看到，日本首相高市早苗去年就有提出未來他們重點投資17個戰略領域，其中包括了核融合，而且他們已經很明確有一個具體的時間表，他們預估在2030年前要證實核融合發電的可能性，目前日本也已經進行超過20萬次相關的實驗，我想請教主委，核安會目前有沒有進行相關核融合的基礎研究？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:19:35.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:19:39.499000+08:00","text":"這方面國原院已經開始做了，詳細情形請國原院回答。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:19:42.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:07.123000+08:00","text":"國原院在三年前就已經成立FIRST，臺灣第一個托卡馬克（Tokamak）核融合電漿研究的裝置，去年年底已經完成初步的建置，要經過一年的測試，就能夠達到做科學研究的一個設施，這是國內百分之……","quality":0.802},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:07.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:10.364000+08:00","text":"所以對核融合相關研究的基礎設施……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:10.364000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:11.364000+08:00","text":"有在做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:10.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:12.966000+08:00","text":"我們是已經有在做了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:12.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:13.966000+08:00","text":"開始了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:13.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:20:28.275000+08:00","text":"我想請教主委，您這邊是不是也會建議行政院參考日本，因為核融合發電沒有鈾廢料、沒有核廢料的問題，而受到國際間的青睞，我們會不會將核融合技術也列入我們重點發展的技術？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:20:29.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:21:21.580000+08:00","text":"報告委員，事實上日本是寫2030年代，它的意思是2030的末期，接近2040，可是我們看最近德國預估是2060核融合才有機會，有機會而已，包括英國，英國一個國家的研究機構也是認為要2050以後，而日本這個部分，目前我們由科學的角度來看，它有幾個關卡：第一個，它的材料需要1億度的高溫要克服，這個工程非常難以實踐；第二個，從60年來，對於托卡馬克（Tokamak）這一型的理論，物理的理論都沒辦法有突破，所以這兩個大卡關，使得全球的核融合恐怕在2050年前難以達到能夠提供第1度、長期穩定……","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:21:22.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:21:41.010000+08:00","text":"其實由您的回答，我們也可以了解到，世界各國其實對於核融合都非常的重視，如同剛才本席說的，因為它沒有鈾廢料、核廢料的問題，所以世界各國都競相想要突破這個技術，我國是不是也會把它列為我們重點發展的部分？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:21:41.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:22:02.156000+08:00","text":"我想我們主要是培訓核融合方面，尤其電漿物理方面Plasma的人才，因為世界上以歐洲的TIER，也就是核融合的裝置，它已經投入了兩兆元，但是發電還是遙遙無期，要等2045年才有demo，2055年才有，所以我們現在……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:22:02.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:22:03.737000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在專注在人才的培育？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:22:03.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:22:13.743000+08:00","text":"是，人才培育，還有一些基本設施的維護跟與國際研究能夠接軌，萬一哪一天有機會能夠商轉，我們要能夠趕上國際……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:22:14.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:22:26.109000+08:00","text":"所以雖然我們在這邊的投入並沒有像國際間那麼快速或者那麼多，但是其實我們還是有專注在這一塊，我們也沒有放鬆這個腳步啦？是。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:22:26.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:22:56.988000+08:00","text":"好，我想請教，國原院日前有說我們已經初步盤點了三種SMR的技術，確認SMR商轉沒有問題之後，國外授權了，我們國內最快在2035年可以發出第1度SMR的電力，所以SMR跟核融合這個部分，我們是有並行的在做，只是現在SMR的進展是比較快，也比較明顯，是嗎？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:22:57.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:23:02.852000+08:00","text":"是，SMR是核分裂，核分裂在1940年代就已經成功……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:23:02.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:23:04.153000+08:00","text":"所以在技術上比較容易……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:23:04.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:23:11.957000+08:00","text":"技術上完全可行，5年以後這三種跟傳統的應該都會有商用反應器出來，那為什麼……","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:23:11.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:23:11.977000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:23:14.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:23:36.788000+08:00","text":"這邊我還是要提醒核安會，因為國際間既然認為核融合是可以發展的，是可行性高的，我們還是要關注國際的趨勢，雖然我們現在基礎的有建置了，但是後面的腳步我們也不能落後，因為在我們自己的國家之內，我們還是要去評估怎樣的發電方式對我們國家是最有利的。","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:23:38.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:24:21.677000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教主委，我們在核能設施除役及核災應變的處置過程之中，機器人成為不可或缺的重要工具，但是目前這個機器人還是有賴於有線連接的操作模式，而且很容易受到現場輻射的影響，對這些相關內部的半導體元件會造成嚴重的損壞，電纜也可能因為有纏繞或斷裂這種問題，日本有投入研發具高度抗輻射能力的WiFi接收晶片，而且目前他們已經研發成功了，在核事故的核能處理現場，這個無線操作會帶來一個很大的進展。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:24:22.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:24:30.002000+08:00","text":"主委，我想請教，核安會目前有沒有在進行相關提升晶片抗輻射能力的研究？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李組長綺思","start":"2026-04-22T10:24:34.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:24:43.332000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在在我們的科研計畫裡面，我們有像用在太空抗輻射晶片的相關研究，我們是有的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:24:44.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:24:56.383000+08:00","text":"那是太空抗輻射的部分，對於我剛剛提到在核設施核災應變相關的機器人應用，我們也同樣有這樣子的技術在並行研究嗎？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"李組長綺思","start":"2026-04-22T10:24:57.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:25:24.506000+08:00","text":"是，我們在跟國科會的一個聯合科學研究計畫裡面，我們有針對機器人，委員提的非常好，那邊的機器人研究，跟我們這邊抗輻射晶片機器人的研究，是不是可以把它combine起來，像是日本的這些，我們在核災是不是可以應用，我想這在未來我們也會投入這一塊來做研究。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:25:24.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:02.182000+08:00","text":"因為其實就像您剛剛回答的，如果它是異曲同工之妙，我們有這樣子的設施，其實可以用在不管是我們太空的產業，或是相關的核能設備，因為我們現在也有核電廠正在除役的階段，如果有這樣子的抗輻射機器人可以投入現場，我想對於相關人員的這些風險會更低、更安全，你們有沒有預計可以什麼時候來投入相關的研製？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"李組長綺思","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:02.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:11.546000+08:00","text":"這個部分非常謝謝委員的提點，是不是容我們再整個完整的仔細研究，因為像現在我們的輻射應變方面，我們也有……好。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:12.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:24.232000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我希望核安會就抗輻射機器人實際運用的時程，你們來做一個規劃，如果有進展的時候，請你將一份報告給我辦公室可以嗎？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"李組長綺思","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:24.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:26.192000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:26.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:52.037000+08:00","text":"好，接下來我想要請教主委有關於核工人才的狀況，因為剛才我們講不管是核融合的部分、SMR的部分，還是剛才講抗輻射機器人的這個研究，這些都需要相關的核工人才，我想沒有這些基本的核工人才，我們未來相關的研究都會受到延宕，我想主委也是認同這樣子的。是的。","quality":0.681},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:52.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:27:14.001000+08:00","text":"在上次業務報告的時候，有很多委員關心我國核工人才培養的問題，再加上國際間像剛剛提到的各種發電技術、方式都有新的進展，我們如果要參與或了解相關國際的進度，要跟得上腳步，我們在核工、核能相關的人才就是非常的必要、非常的重要。","quality":0.653},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:14.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:27:19.862000+08:00","text":"我想請教主委，我們有沒有相關的計畫或合作的方式來進一步培養這些人才？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:20.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:03.625000+08:00","text":"有的，除了我們向教育部申請三位獎學金，每年三位去美國研讀核工博士之外，國原院這方面也有做很多這方面努力，跟國外的實驗室、跟大學有一些合作計畫，而且我們也替譬如國研院和清華大學爭取很多研究經費，讓它多收一些研究生及做一些研究計畫，讓更多的學生能夠加入核工的行列，各方各面我們都儘量努力來爭取。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:04.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:36.337000+08:00","text":"所以主委您也是非常的用心在我們人才培育這一塊，但是我也希望除了我們很用心的讓這些人才有深造、有進修的機會之外，他們到國外去進修也好，還是我們從國外吸收這些人才進來國內也好，希望我們有更好的條件，有更讓他們可以發揮的空間，因為相關的核工發展，如果我們培育的人才，結果他後來是往國外發展，這是一個很大的損失！","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:37.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:45.999000+08:00","text":"所以除了我們去培育他之外，我們要有怎樣的制度，有怎樣的環境，讓他們可以留在我們國內，我想這是非常重要的，主委，您的看法呢？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:46.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:56.689000+08:00","text":"是的，我們要有一些機制吸引核工人才到臺灣來工作，或留下核工人才，我想各方各面，我們都有做這方面的工作。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:57.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:02.895000+08:00","text":"我希望你們可以給我的辦公室一份你們對於相關培育人才的報告，可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:03.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:05.736000+08:00","text":"好，我再跟主席借一點點時間。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:06.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:34.092000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教關於我們核醫藥國家隊的問題，我國核醫藥八成以上是來自進口，當然因為缺乏藥品韌性，而且因為核醫藥的藥品的特性，它是沒辦法囤藥，它的半衰期很短，它沒辦法囤藥，我們也常常因為受到國外一些外在因素的影響，所以一些核醫藥，我們必須要自己有辦法自產自製。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:34.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:47.839000+08:00","text":"剛才我有聽到你們的回答其他委員時，提到將來新的這些設施70 MeV迴旋加速器如果建置完成，我們的核醫藥品會有七成以上是可以自製，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:49.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:49.760000+08:00","text":"報告委員，是。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:50.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:08.532000+08:00","text":"某些藥物，像鎵-67我們已經百分之百，鉈-201心肌造影劑現在是四成左右，因為70 MeV今年年底四年建置完成，明年開始測試，所以明年以後鉈-201應該可以提高到七到八成。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:10.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:15.997000+08:00","text":"我還是要請教，未來相關的核醫藥要自產自製，我們最急需的是什麼？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:15.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:17.918000+08:00","text":"除了設備，我們的人才呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:22.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:41.353000+08:00","text":"人才方面，現在同位素所相關人才已經有接近一百位同仁，他們很多都是35年前第一臺30 MeV建置完成開始運轉時就已經在那邊，有一些同仁是這樣。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:41.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:56.222000+08:00","text":"最近幾年，我們也極力招募，今年也開放10個缺給核醫藥物，針對國家藥物團隊所需要的，不管是生物科技、藥學或者生命科學這一方面的人才。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:56.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:00.005000+08:00","text":"所以我們已經有針對未來核醫藥發展所需要的人才……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:00.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:01.005000+08:00","text":"有，我們會逐年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:00.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:02.266000+08:00","text":"在做培訓以及招募？是、是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:03.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:21.600000+08:00","text":"我再請教，剛才我們提到關於太空元件抗輻射的部分，相關這些太空中心跟核安會合作，對於太空元件、晶片抗輻射的檢測機制，是由我們這邊主動，還是你們是怎樣的一個合作方式？","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"高院長梓木","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:22.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:59.366000+08:00","text":"對於低軌道衛星，還有車輛的晶片，國內一些半導體廠長期來都會把晶片送來我們這邊測試，這是從3年前就開始，先用30 MeV，這是10到30 MeV，將來70 MeV完成以後，低軌道衛星可以擴參30到70個MeV，所以這個都已經有規劃，而且現在國內一些晶片大廠也都有送過來，他們原來要送去國外測試的晶片，都會先送來我們這裡測試，目前大概已經這樣進行3年以上。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:59.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:01.612000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:01.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:22.926000+08:00","text":"最後本席還是要強調，核安不是只有發電的時候要顧慮到，在醫藥上、醫學上、醫療上也都非常重要，希望核安會跟其他部門要能相應的持續合作，繼續精進，我們要顧好核安，才能保護民眾的安全。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:23.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:23.587000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:24.087000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:25.515571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（葛委員如鈞代）","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:25.815571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:29.815571+08:00","text":"謝謝陳秀寳委員質詢，官員請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（葛委員如鈞代）","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:30.115571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:33.544143+08:00","text":"接下來有請林宜瑾委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}