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我覺得現在才四月好 跟我們報告傳統媒體部分我們一定今年會定改因為我們大概是下個月就會再跟YES在第二次開會來對接所以今年部分我們大概應該就下個月開第二次座談會來收斂因為他是開過他們有他自己的意見他們自己提出版本嘛"},{"start":429.424,"end":458.11,"text":"網路的這一塊我們有持續在推在目前在網路新聞業者他自己雖然有定規範有定指引那我們未來我們這邊再既有了原來另外三個指引裡頭如果可以包進去的我們會把它強化啦我們會考量說需不需要再進一步把它獨立出來我們也會一邊考量重點就是說你們今下個月會再開工天會收斂嘛對那收斂這些意見嘛是所以你比如說六七月"},{"start":459.369,"end":483.986,"text":"其實這個大家都等很久了啦那我想自律或者是說你沒有辦法用硬法那你至少軟法的方向你先把它指明讓大家就是有一個規則可選嘛所以這個世間還要等太久我是覺得這個真的是不合時宜現在速度這麼快的時代尤其是AI速度更快那你現在都要拖那麼久"},{"start":484.976,"end":503.474,"text":"我們是預計在上半年就是7月底以前會把他關起來7月31搞不好以後就沒有委員啦但是該做的我們常理委員會持續努力所以是不是在7月31以前就趕快把它做完好 我們朝著目標來努力"},{"start":504.268,"end":521.286,"text":"最後一個我簡單要求就是說那個訊號遮蔽器這個已經有業者違規那我想你們也有負責說要表示開罰所以他們也有撤除但是這個太多了"},{"start":522.801,"end":545.737,"text":"這個我想很多到的網路去買都有買得到那是不是這個部分我們要怎麼樣去防範未然那叫你們主動去查可能你們也查不完啦我們有找這個電商平台有跟他們宣導也謝謝數位部他們的那個數產署幫我們在電商是他們主管的幫忙幫我們宣傳達說這個"},{"start":549.059,"end":570.479,"text":"上架的產品裡頭這些是違禁品不得上架我們是盡可能就是不斷的去把不該上架的器材都給它拿掉那事後的部分事後如果有民眾檢舉我們也會去處理所以對你剛講的沒有錯我是建議就是這樣就兩個方向一個方向就是電商"},{"start":571.978,"end":590.178,"text":"因為你要去抓抓不完啦但是你用電商當作源頭嘛源頭如何去減少或禁止類似的案件的發生這是第一個第二個就是開放民眾檢舉你們也應該再open宣傳讓民眾知道"},{"start":590.979,"end":612.678,"text":"就這兩個動作我們要做才能夠去減少這樣一個違法的行為所以我是認為宣傳當然這個有案例新聞也播出來當然就會有宣傳的效果啦那電商的源頭的部分我認為你們可以再加強好我們持續加強的話就減少這樣子一個不好的行為再繼續發生好不好好沒問題好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:08.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:09.043000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:09.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:11.844000+08:00","text":"請NCC主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:12.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:14.185000+08:00","text":"請NCC陳代理主委。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:19.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:19.466000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:20.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:20.507000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:21.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:22.947000+08:00","text":"NCC現在有三位委員嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:23.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:24.148000+08:00","text":"是，目前剩下三位。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:24.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:25.188000+08:00","text":"任期到什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:25.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:26.408000+08:00","text":"今年7月31日。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:29.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:31.730000+08:00","text":"卓院長也希望趕快再提嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:32.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:33.928000+08:00","text":"是，昨天在院會有提到。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:34.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:40.793000+08:00","text":"你要呼籲在野黨儘量能夠為國家的需要，不要再阻擋了！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:42.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:57.846000+08:00","text":"萬一他們再阻擋，如果卓院長盡力，但沒有十足把握，如果提出來沒有通過，到了7月31日以後，是不是委員全部都卸任了？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:58.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:59.987000+08:00","text":"是的，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:00.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:01.929000+08:00","text":"到時候NCC怎麼運作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:02.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:06.811000+08:00","text":"大家都殊難想像，大家都很焦慮。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:06.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:10.793000+08:00","text":"很焦慮，所以NCC的公務員就停擺了？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:14.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:16.036000+08:00","text":"大家都覺得不應該讓這個問題發生。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:18.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:22.459000+08:00","text":"我知道其實不僅是你很焦慮，我也很焦慮。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:22.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:42.684000+08:00","text":"以前監察院曾經有沒半個監察委員的紀錄，監察院裡面的業務就全部都停擺，這個是我們很不樂意看到的，也希望卓院長能夠儘快。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:42.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:46.547000+08:00","text":"我知道這不是你決定的，但是請卓院長儘快再溝通啦！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:47.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:46:03.092000+08:00","text":"也希望在野黨真的是為了國家的正常運作，不要再擋了，事實上，現在包括很多民間的移頻業務，及其他很多需要委員決定的事都卡住了嘛？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:46:04.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:46:04.734000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:46:05.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:46:15.405000+08:00","text":"我再一次鄭重地呼籲，就是希望卓院長盡力溝通，在野黨真的不要再擋，讓NCC可以正常運作。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:46:18.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:46:46.556000+08:00","text":"之前我跟NCC也質詢過，剛才欣純也問了，就是網路媒體有很多詐騙、新聞的自律，NCC也訂了網路的使用指引，現在網路也有一些自律聯盟。對。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:46:49.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:10.321000+08:00","text":"再來是AI應用的新聞也越來越多了，現在年輕人有些時候就直接用AI來寫新聞，這個的審核機制或者是指引，主委，你們NCC的看法是怎麼樣？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:12.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:40.595000+08:00","text":"這分兩大區塊，在傳統媒體的部分，上次跟委員報告過我們委託資策會，跟業者、跟專家學者都已經溝通過，業者自己的衛星公會也好、電視學會也好，他們都提出自己的版本，我們近期也會再找電信業者來對接一下雙方的共識，希望在傳統廣電部分的AI指引能夠進一步優化。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:41.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:00.935000+08:00","text":"至於網路的部分，網傳辦預計要提出五個指引，就是比照當初的DSA，那是個硬法，國內目前當初數位中介法比較沒有辦法推，在社會各界沒有共識的情況之下，我們就用軟法處理。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:01.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:17.662000+08:00","text":"在五個指引裡，我們去年推出的申訴、救濟跟透明度的指引，另外OTT及法規適用的指引，還有相關的一些透明度，陸續今年、明年大概都會提出來。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:19.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:54.206000+08:00","text":"在AI的應用部分，我們最主要是讓民眾及業者端都能夠持續地精進，誠如先前也有委員提問過，因為AI大概是從前年開始比較爆發性的發展，在應用上，我們希望與時俱進，在民眾端跟業者端的素養培力，我們都有持續投入，從113年我們在網路這一塊的培力宣講、宣導也好，還有議題的設定都已經有包含AI的部分。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:54.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:01.309000+08:00","text":"我們簡單地講，主委，這個指引前面已經寫了三個，還要到明年嗎？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:04.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:06.932000+08:00","text":"我們是持續在滾動檢討啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:06.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:22.082000+08:00","text":"五個指引裡，去年年底兩個已經推出來了，另外三個，我們今年預計起碼會推出至少一個，包括剛剛跟委員報告所提到的，就是那個……","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:22.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:25.024000+08:00","text":"現在AI速度這麼快、使用者這麼多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:30.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:47.592000+08:00","text":"AI這一塊，因為是統合在AI基本法的一些架構下，我們有配合行政院所屬機關做相關的協調性處理，包括該有的子法、該有的行政規則、該納入的都納入，剛剛跟委員報告過會在我們每年的計畫裡處理……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:48.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:52.415000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，這樣的速度到明年會不會覺得太慢了？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:54.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:59.301000+08:00","text":"我們會持續，傳統廣電的部分，我們已經在優化，版本已經出來了。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:01.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:50:29.333000+08:00","text":"至於網路媒體的部分，當初我們去年也有一個版本，今年我們也請臺灣網路媒體協會持續優化，包括AI從總則到分則的一些項目，其實本質就是報導新聞、網路新聞一定要以事實為基礎，這一塊牽涉到事實查證，所以最基本的概念就是該標示就要標示。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:29.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:50:34.574000+08:00","text":"主委，你講這個我們都知道，現在我們就是希望不要等到明年啦！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:36.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:50:50.369000+08:00","text":"因為你趕快訂出指引，讓所有業者有一個方向可循，你先把大方向訂出來，這還要等到明年，現在才4月！","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:52.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:10.536000+08:00","text":"在傳統媒體的部分，我們今年一定會訂改，我們大概是下個月就會再跟業者第二次開會來對接，所以今年的部分，我們下個月開第二次座談會來收斂，因為上次開過，他們有自己的意見，他們自己也提出版本嘛！","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:12.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:31.128000+08:00","text":"網路這一塊，我們有持續在推，目前網路新聞業者自己雖然有訂規範、有訂指引，未來我們在原來既有的另外三個指引裡，如果可以包進去的，我們會把它強化，至於需不需要再進一步把它獨立出來，我們也會一併納入考量。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:31.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:38.269000+08:00","text":"重點就是你們下個月會再開公聽會收斂這些意見嘛？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:38.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:39.630000+08:00","text":"對，傳統廣電的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:39.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:54.337000+08:00","text":"所以你說6、7月，其實大家都等很久了，我想自律或者是你沒有辦法用硬法，至少你先指明採軟法的方向，讓大家有一個規則可循嘛！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:55.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:00.762000+08:00","text":"所以還要等太久，我覺得真的是不合時宜……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:00.762000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:01.762000+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:01.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:06.966000+08:00","text":"現在速度這麼快的時代，尤其是AI速度更快，你現在都要拖那麼久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:07.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:11.440000+08:00","text":"好，我們是預計在上半年，就是7月底以前……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:11.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:12.891000+08:00","text":"上半年，是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:12.891000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:14.342000+08:00","text":"7月底前會把它final下來……","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:14.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:15.624000+08:00","text":"對啊，你看搞不好7月31日以後就沒有委員了！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:16.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:20.468000+08:00","text":"但是該做的，我們常任文官一樣會持續努力。是啊！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:20.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:23.591000+08:00","text":"所以是不是在7月31日以前趕快把它做完？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:24.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:26.454000+08:00","text":"好，我們朝著目標來努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:27.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:44.266000+08:00","text":"最後我簡單要求，訊號遮蔽器已經有業者違規使用，你們也有表示要開罰，所以他們也有撤除，但是這個太多了啦！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:45.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:54.247000+08:00","text":"我想很多到網路都買得到，這個部分你們要如何防患未然？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:55.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:57.809000+08:00","text":"叫你們主動去查，可能你們也查不完啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:58.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:53:27.754000+08:00","text":"我們有找電商平臺跟他們宣導，也謝謝數位部數產署，因為電商是他們主管的，幫我們傳達上架的產品裡這些是違禁品，不得上架，我們盡可能不斷把不該上架的器材都趕快拿掉，事後如果有民眾檢舉，我們也會處理……對！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:53:27.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:53:30.557000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講的沒有錯，我建議是這樣啦！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:53:31.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:53:36.259000+08:00","text":"即兩個方向，一個方向就是電商，因為你要去抓，抓不完啦！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:53:36.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:53:47.392000+08:00","text":"但是你用電商當作源頭，從源頭如何去減少或禁止類似案件的發生，這是第一個。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:53:47.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:53:59.324000+08:00","text":"第二個就是開放民眾檢舉，你們也應該宣傳讓民眾知道，你們要做這兩個動作，才能夠減少這樣的違法行為。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:53:59.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:09.313000+08:00","text":"我認為這個有案例，新聞有播出來，當然就會有宣傳效果，在電商源頭的部分，我認為你們可以再加強。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:09.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:11.094000+08:00","text":"好，我們會持續加強努力。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:11.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:15.198000+08:00","text":"就是減少不好的行為繼續再發生，好不好？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:15.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:15.658000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:15.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:15.678000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:16.178000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:17.320857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:17.620857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:21.620857+08:00","text":"謝謝許智傑委員的發言，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:21.920857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:23.920857+08:00","text":"現在先休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:24.220857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:25.363714+08:00","text":"休息（10時54分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:25.663714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:27.378000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時4分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:27.678000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:28.820857+08:00","text":"繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:29.120857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:34.263714+08:00","text":"我們現在先處理臨時提案，請議事人員宣讀。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:34.563714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:35.706571+08:00","text":"臨時提案","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:36.006571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:54:54.006571+08:00","text":"鑒於網路社群興起，政府部門透過經營社群網站（如臉書粉絲專頁）進行政策宣傳與溝通，已是建構資訊化社會與促進公共政策開放透明的重要連結關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:54:54.306571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:55:17.735143+08:00","text":"然對於如何有效衡量社群經營成效，目前各機關多流於表面數據，管理高層往往僅直覺以粉絲數或每日發布貼文數量為指標，忽略了民眾觀點中的機關識別度、實質互動效益與對政策內容的關注度。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:55:18.035143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:55:31.178000+08:00","text":"對比美國聯邦政府及英國政府數位服務，為協助機關達成民眾參與公共政策的目標，皆已制定明確的衡量指標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:55:31.478000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:55:52.335143+08:00","text":"事實上，數位發展部早於民國106年（2017年）就已在其政府網站營運交流平台發表並總整過此作法，提出了包含「基本資料」、「社群廣度」、「社群互動」、「社群關係」及「貼文營運」等五大構面之衡量指標。","quality":0},{"spe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