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對吧"},{"start":236.519,"end":262.011,"text":"那早上的時候主委你也有講一些你們審的程序啊比如說把意見啊大家先書面審查然後讓他上網公告嘛然後會實際上去看嘛然後還會邀請外部的學者什麼之類的那你有提到說因為安全關係沒有辦法加速審查但對於這件事這句話我覺得啦有沒有辦法在符合安全的情況之下加速審查這兩個沒有衝突啦"},{"start":263.384,"end":288.056,"text":"我舉例來講譬如說你現在是要在五月中的時候開第一次會議嘛審查會議嘛五月中嘛對不對那五月中通常政府機關運作是這樣啦開完會然後可能要台電補報告或什麼什麼會有一個程序對不對其實你可以在每一次跟每一次開會的中間你可以縮短開會的時間"},{"start":290.594,"end":314.58,"text":"或者是你在安排會議的時候你可以盡量縮短比如說你請外部專家來開會可能要開好幾次一兩次兩三次大家針對上一次的會議再來討論你可以縮短開會的時間我們行政院有很多其他的部會在審查比如說地方提出來的計畫的時候常常開會因為案子很多所以第一次會議跟第二次會議差到半年"},{"start":315.728,"end":337.64,"text":"那它其實也不見得是因為這個案子的問題而是因為案子很多以至於針對某一個案子它排比較久那假設核安會你把核二核三核三的再運轉計畫當作一件事情來做的話你其實可以透過縮短行政流程的方式來加速審查的時間那主委你同意嗎"},{"start":338.553,"end":366.899,"text":"所以核安會它的效益方面一直都很注視而且我們很有信心的說我們核安是很有效率的很有效率所以我覺得盡快啦好不好就針對剛剛大家也講了嘛核電現在重啟的話好處這麼多總統也有顧慮啊電力供應不如預期啊那核安會就比較被動的好像台電有資料來你就看一看再排會議其實你們可以多跟台電合作"},{"start":368.099,"end":379.068,"text":"去跟他講說趕快大家一起來促成讓合二合三重啟這件事情啦我的意思是這樣啦不知道主委可以嗎合二合三的溝通是非常順暢"},{"start":380.746,"end":396.815,"text":"順暢是順暢啦順暢是不要不會吵架我是說叫你積極的跟他說趕快補資料啊你缺什麼甚至於說不要文件來了這樣退啊有的時候大家可以一起講說你有什麼事情怎麼做可能會更快一點站在協助的角度去跟他講嘛"},{"start":398.378,"end":412.35,"text":"對那這樣子可能那個進程可以再縮短啦好然後再來就是你們現在4月28號要去恆春舉辦地方說明會對吧對主委您不會去嘛對吧我沒有去那因為之前"},{"start":413.351,"end":433.252,"text":"就是民進黨一直在講非核家園就把核都妖魔化了所以現在有非常多的人都反核啦那還有就是有些民進黨立委還是依然反核譬如說像屏東在地立委莊瑞雄就反核嘛他就是說核三已經為台灣貢獻四十年放了他的故鄉啦因為重啟核三"},{"start":433.993,"end":460.299,"text":"就好像打開潘朵拉的盒子啦反正就是反對然後譬如說像現在在選新北市長的舒巧惠也都是一直呼籲啦在叫大家拒絕重啟河山所以我是提醒環會啦你去開說明會的時候可能還是會依然遇到非常多反對聲音那你有預期你們準備的計畫或者是你要去跟地方怎麼溝通的你的重點是什麼提點溝通舒巧惠的好了"},{"start":461.725,"end":486.103,"text":"跟委員說明主要還是針對台電公司先提出來的再運轉計畫這部分那包括台電公司再運轉計畫整個的規劃那也會說明河岸會自己本身針對再運轉計畫的審查規劃規劃你們的規劃對譬如說是什麼譬如說因為我們是依法跟有審查導者那依照再運轉計畫的審查導者審查的重點擺在哪裡"},{"start":489.105,"end":512.575,"text":"那讓民眾也知道說會裡面的關心的點跟外部委員都會介入來加入所以你們是希望讓在地的民眾知道說在河岸這一塊你們一定會把關你們的審查是非常嚴謹的然後如果在地的民眾有提出一些疑慮比如說哪個部分他覺得你們沒有做好你們會積極跟他們回應就是你們還是會站在把關的角度"},{"start":513.515,"end":533.643,"text":"就提醒你們去可能會遇到剛剛一些狀況然後另外因為那個主委你之前也有提過你說因為非核家園的關係所以讓我們的核工人才流失所以現在應該要積極的回聘跟培訓那我們現在根據台電的說法因為它的有關於核電廠的人才是"},{"start":534.403,"end":549.837,"text":"是沒有都一直還是保留著啦並沒有因為說核二核三現在沒有在運轉就把他們辭退或什麼都仍然保留但有一個重點就是欲缺不補啦所以他還是有可能會造成一定人才的流失那這個部分我有看到"},{"start":550.878,"end":570.78,"text":"河安會好像也有跟教育部去申請就是留學補助的名額但我覺得那個名額有點好像太少了我們來看一下像這個爭取這個名額是根據賴總統五大信賴產業的這樣的一個計畫去申請的可是像其他這個是五大信賴產業其他產業"},{"start":573.783,"end":601.136,"text":"申請人才的名額就比較多比如說像有關AI的你就可能跟他申請10個10個留學國家的公費補助的名額然後像資通訊也是10個那半導體5個可是呢核子工程相關的就只有3個那核子工程相關其實核子工程它還包括不是只有完全是核能安全啦還有核能研發比如說核融合技術啊核能系統等等"},{"start":602.444,"end":628.004,"text":"那你以這樣子來講主委你認為我們的河工人才夠嗎這個這個留學的名額過去十年河工這個學名是零了對就零啊你有講到嗎因為之前非核嘛所以就斷層啊現在只剩下三個當然我們留學的管道不只是公費留學這個地方還有個人設計獎人金還有"},{"start":630.256,"end":659.654,"text":"以前台電曾經有台電獎學金還有其他的單位也送人出國所以不單是公費留學這條路而已出國留學當然有很多條路但我們就這條路來看人數就比較少啊所以你認為說除了這個之外其他的台電獎學金或是自費的其他加一加現在人是夠的是不是"},{"start":662.445,"end":690.451,"text":"我們只能繼續努力吧希望創造條件讓大家願意走上這個領域所以這個是教育部核定你的名額是不是教育部核定名額那你當初申請幾位我就申請三位所以你申請就比較少啊你不是有設限嗎我們也逐步增加啦從零到三是很大的跳躍那為什麼你當初只有申請三個"},{"start":691.91,"end":707.244,"text":"不是 你不能跟之前比嘛因為之前就非核家園嘛現在要重啟核電了嘛而且還有新式核能啊你不能跟以前非核家園的時代比啊政府政策也轉彎了我們會逐步增加啦會逐步增加好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:04.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:06.077000+08:00","text":"主席好，麻煩請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:06.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:14.582000+08:00","text":"有請主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:14.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:14.802000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:15.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:15.523000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:17.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:32.032000+08:00","text":"昨天有一些反核團體去跟總統見面，當然他們是不希望重啟核電，不過我看到有一些與會者轉述賴總統的話，感覺上，賴總統還滿朝向重啟核電的角度去說。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:32.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:39.621000+08:00","text":"他說因為考量到電力供應不如預期，就是符合社會對缺電的擔憂。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:40.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:09:48.927000+08:00","text":"還有他說現在核安技術比較能夠掌握，另外就是未來AI用電會大增，所以應該要重新思考核電。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:09:49.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:10:33.555000+08:00","text":"其實我看到賴總統願意這樣講，我們真的感到很高興，因為過去這幾年都是在野黨一直在強調可能會缺電，應該要重啟核電，可能會有空汙的問題，或是電價可能會上漲、電力的韌性等等，但是因為民進黨一直反對，還常常噴口水的說「核廢料放你家」這些，最後終於賴總統也願意理性的面對重啟核電的問題，我覺得滿高興的，我相信賴總統這樣一講，像包括核安會主委您、或是其他的政務官，就可以更理性的面對這個議題，不像以前我記得我們在詢問核安會主委有關於核電議題時，他都是左閃右閃、不敢講。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:10:35.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:10:37.997000+08:00","text":"您的前一任主委，那時候我們問他到底核能安不安全？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:10:38.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:10:44.700000+08:00","text":"他說：「有發生事情就是不安全，沒發生就是安全」，有講跟沒講一樣，每個人都變成語言天才。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:10:46.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:10:52.223000+08:00","text":"我想先請教主委一下，賴總統說現在核安技術可以掌握，他指的是哪一個部分？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:10:55.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:10:56.529000+08:00","text":"我不確定……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:10:58.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:00.231000+08:00","text":"你不確定他講什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:00.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:05.754000+08:00","text":"核安技術一直在進步中，過去40年……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:06.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:09.456000+08:00","text":"他講的是傳統核電，還是新式核電？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:09.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:11.938000+08:00","text":"新式核電和傳統核電都是……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:11.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:12.938000+08:00","text":"核融合是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:12.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:16.961000+08:00","text":"其實傳統核電的安全也是逐年在改進。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:16.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:18.201000+08:00","text":"傳統的也是逐年都有在改進？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:18.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:18.742000+08:00","text":"對，都有逐年在改進。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:19.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:22.385000+08:00","text":"那我想請教一下，您自己的立場呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:22.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:24.447000+08:00","text":"你是不是贊同賴總統所講的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:24.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:26.750000+08:00","text":"你覺得核電對於電價穩定有幫助嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:34.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:37.155000+08:00","text":"我看到台電所公布的資料，這確實是有幫助的。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:37.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:40.778000+08:00","text":"有幫助，是比較便宜嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:40.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:47.602000+08:00","text":"我看到的資料是它對電價是有幫助的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:49.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:51.865000+08:00","text":"是電價可以比較穩定，不會一直漲嘛！是的。是喔！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:11:53.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:11:58.709000+08:00","text":"甚至於如果未來核電的供應可以比較多的話，電價也可以更低一點，這沒有問題嘛！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:00.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:12:05.553000+08:00","text":"這點恐怕台電的資料比較多，由他們來回答比較適合。","quality":0.909},{"speake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1:15:32.378000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:32.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:34.600000+08:00","text":"這樣進程可能就可以再縮短啦！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:36.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:42.307000+08:00","text":"再來就是你們4月28號要去恆春舉辦地方說明會，對吧？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:42.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:43.488000+08:00","text":"主委您不會去嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:43.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:43.648000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:44.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:44.869000+08:00","text":"我不會去。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:45.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:53.598000+08:00","text":"因為之前民進黨一直在講非核家園，所以把「核」都妖魔化了，所以現在有非常多的人都反核啦！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:55.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:01.226000+08:00","text":"有些民進黨的立委還是依然反核，譬如說屏東在地立委莊瑞雄就反核嘛！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:01.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:06.031000+08:00","text":"他說核三已經為臺灣貢獻了40年，請放過他的故鄉啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:06.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:11.014000+08:00","text":"因為重啟核三就好像打開潘朵拉的盒子，反正他就是反對。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:12.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:19.196000+08:00","text":"像現在在選新北市市長的蘇巧慧，他也是一直在呼籲，他叫大家要拒絕重啟核三。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:19.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:30.978000+08:00","text":"所以我是提醒核安會去開說明會的時候，可能還是會依然遇到非常多的反對聲音，那你預期，你們準備的計畫……或是你要怎麼去跟地方溝通？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:31.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:33.059000+08:00","text":"你的重點是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:33.059000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:35.725000+08:00","text":"這點我請高組長來回答。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:35.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:50.956000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，主要還是針對台電公司所提出來的再運轉計畫這一部分，包括台電公司再運轉計畫的整個規劃，也會說明核安會本身針對再運轉計畫的審查規劃。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:50.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:52.137000+08:00","text":"你們的規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:52.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:53.798000+08:00","text":"譬如說是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌：譬如說","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:55.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:09.748000+08:00","text":"因為我們是依法跟有審查導則，依照再運轉計畫的審查導則，審查的重點擺在哪裡，我們會讓民眾知道會裡面關心的點，和外部委員也會加入來做實質審查。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:10.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:24.914000+08:00","text":"所以你們是希望讓在地的民眾知道，核安這一塊你們一定會把關，你們的審查是非常嚴謹的，如果在地的民眾有提出一些疑慮，譬如說哪個部分他覺得你們沒有做好，你們就會積極的來跟他們回應。是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:24.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:26.555000+08:00","text":"就是你們還是會站在把關的角度啦！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:26.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:27.635000+08:00","text":"沒錯，是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:27.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:29.796000+08:00","text":"我是提醒你們去的時候可能會遇到剛才說的那些狀況。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:30.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:42.361000+08:00","text":"另外，因為主委之前你也曾提過，你說因為非核家園的關係，讓我們的核工人才流失，所以現在應該要積極的回聘跟培訓。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:43.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:58.192000+08:00","text":"現在根據台電的說法，有關核電廠的人才還是一直都保留著，並沒有因為核二、核三現在沒有在運轉，就把他們辭退或是什麼的，都還是有保留，但是有一個重點，就是遇缺不補啦！","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:58.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:01.655000+08:00","text":"所以它還是有可能會造成一定的人才流失。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:03.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:12.727000+08:00","text":"這個部分我有看到核安會好像也有跟教育部申請留學的補助名額，但我覺得那個名額好像有點太少。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:13.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:46.231000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下，像爭取這個名額，這是根據賴總統五大信賴產業的計畫去申請的，可是像五大信賴產業的其他產業名額，可以申請的名額比較多，比如說：像有關AI的，可能有10個留學的公費補助名額；像資通訊也是10個；半導體5個，可是核子工程相關的就只有3個。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:47.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:04.990000+08:00","text":"其實核子工程不只是核能安全，還有核能研發，比如說核融合技術、核能系統等等，以這樣子來講，主委你認為我們的核工人才夠嗎？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:04.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:08.734000+08:00","text":"這是留學的名額，過去10年核工的名額是0。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:09.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:10.175000+08:00","text":"對，就是0啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:10.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:13.537000+08:00","text":"你有講到，因為之前非核所以就斷層啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:14.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:17.100000+08:00","text":"對，現在只剩下3個。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:17.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:37.124000+08:00","text":"當然我們留學的管道不只是公費留學，還有個人申請獎學金，以前台電曾經有台電獎學金，其他的單位也會送人出國，所以不單是公費留學這條路而已。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:41.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:44.288000+08:00","text":"當然有很多條路，但是我們就這條路來看，人數就是比較少啊！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:46.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:53.634000+08:00","text":"所以你認為除了這個之外，其他的台電獎學金或是自費的等加一加，現在人是夠的，是不是？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:56.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:05.107000+08:00","text":"我們只能繼續努力，希望創造條件讓大家願意走上這個領域。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:05.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:07.967000+08:00","text":"所以這個是教育部核定給你的名額是不是？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:08.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:08.908000+08:00","text":"對，教育部核定的名額。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:08.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:09.828000+08:00","text":"那你當初是申請幾位？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:10.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:11.328000+08:00","text":"我就申請3位。對啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:12.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:13.569000+08:00","text":"所以你申請的比較少啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:15.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:16.649000+08:00","text":"你們自我設限嘛！","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:17.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:22.650000+08:00","text":"我們的數目也逐步的增加了，從0到3已經是很大的跳躍了。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:22.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:24.451000+08:00","text":"為什麼你當初只有申請3個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:24.451000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:25.910000+08:00","text":"以前只有1位。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:25.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:27.071000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:27.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:28.312000+08:00","text":"你不能跟之前比嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:28.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:29.914000+08:00","text":"因為之前是非核家園嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:30.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:33.397000+08:00","text":"但現在要重啟核電了，而且還有新式核能啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:33.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:38.221000+08:00","text":"你不能跟以前非核家園的時代比，政府的政策也轉彎了嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:38.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:39.682000+08:00","text":"我們會逐步的增加啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:41.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:41.244000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:41.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:44.601143+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員的詢答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:44.901143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:47.472571+08:00","text":"下一位請吳思瑤委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}