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明年趕快核定不然這已經延宕那麼多年這對我們地方回饋公共藝術的部分真的已經延誤了很多年希望這部分我們院長跟部長多幫忙"},{"start":372.708,"end":398.089,"text":"好的,我剛剛說請經濟部跟工程會跟我們來討論好,希望來了解清楚啦,這其實最重要的是那個生態的維護他只要做這一點才是他重要的工作這一點就是希望說,因為這個補助的費用差很多而且,居然我們提報是在新法這已經很明確那所以希望我們院長跟部長來督促中友趕快提報來實施那還有我們針對我們"},{"start":401.533,"end":422.465,"text":"能源政策的部分的問題我想請問一下院長我們在3個月16號院長有表示非核家園在去年的5月17號已經達成所以現在不排除接受新的核能技術院長有講過對不對"},{"start":423.934,"end":447.677,"text":"我們對新的核能技術一直在希望跟世界同步在研究討論將來有一點傷準的時候只要它符合到安全沒有核廢料的問題以及大家有共識接受我們都希望跟世界同步對這個方向我們也是樂觀啟程我們也是支持啦而且我們賴總統也在上個月22號他也宣布核二核三台電可以開始"},{"start":448.197,"end":475.353,"text":"重啟評估所以基本上不管是院長新的核能技術還是賴總統在3月22號針對核核酸的重啟評估所以那時候我們有講嘛2025非核家園也已經走過了那我們現在就像剛剛院長講的我們可以的話會朝向接受核能發電不管是舊技術新技術只要能夠安全之下我們都有可能用核能發電嘛對不對"},{"start":476.494,"end":504.534,"text":"我們的核能三原則還是要遵守的就是核安、核廢還有社會有共識另外現在的核三廠它必須由台電來提出再運轉計畫以及自主安全檢查縱交核安會來進行審核之後才能夠啟動所以只要在這些條件都符合之下我們是有可能啟動也要自主安全檢查的過程跟再運轉計畫都能夠合乎核安會的審核的同意"},{"start":505.214,"end":531.663,"text":"所以看起來我們能源政策其實是有機會做改變所以重點我是要詢問一下因為在上個月我們三接的二期工程在觀音有召開公聽會其實民眾反彈非常的劇烈因為又要再新做六座的除氣槽他們是非常的恐慌我今天請問部長針對觀塘液化天然氣接收站"},{"start":532.203,"end":555.872,"text":"三接他的建制背景當初他的建制背景是什麼為什麼要去做這個三接因為他要供應北部的大潭電廠的天然氣發電有這樣的需要就是也希望逐步增加燃氣的發電量燃氣增加以後你當然要有接收站然後才有辦法實施就是增加燃氣它的發電量"},{"start":558.173,"end":583.131,"text":"現在我們逐步調高燃氣的發電量那是當時我們因為我們當時的背景我們就是因為非核家園所以我們在能源配比上的部分是不是在燃氣的部分燃氣目的是要減煤我們要取代煤那因為不管怎樣你核能的話你最多核二核三也只有占百分之十"},{"start":583.251,"end":607.11,"text":"所以我們當初我們的能源配比是20%的再生能源30%的燃煤跟50%的燃氣所以我們這個三接的目的其實就是增加燃氣的發電量這樣沒有錯吧對 那煤是盡快的把它降下來因為當初的煤是接近50%現在已經降了我們希望可以降到30%所以我們看我們當初這個"},{"start":609.811,"end":632.242,"text":"在104年他有針對三接做可行性研究報告其實他最主要計畫摘要的部分就是針對三接這個投資計畫我們台灣中油配合台電因應政府確保河岸穩健檢核打造綠能低氮環境邁向非核家園的新的能源政策"},{"start":632.702,"end":656.767,"text":"所以這是當初我們這個計畫上面有寫它災藥重要的部分所以也是因應非核家園所以把燃氣的配比提高因為我們現在的儲存量是11天大家都覺得可能風險比較高希望增加到14天就是說儲存槽必須一定要有增加才有辦法可以讓這個"},{"start":657.947,"end":673.752,"text":"安全的天數往上增加所以我知道因為我們在增加六座主要還是增加它燃氣增加它的發電量所以我們那時候目標其實我們目標是希望能夠增加到24天可是我們要知道其實像14天"},{"start":675.692,"end":695.295,"text":"其實像我們這次美伊戰爭我們天然氣主要的輸出有一個國家卡達像我們這次這個燃氣我們就沒有辦法進來所以這樣子也有可能會影響我們燃氣進來會變成說我們天然氣輸入進來也有可能因為像這次美伊戰爭的影響"},{"start":696.736,"end":723.641,"text":"所以我們希望啊 既然我們的能源政策現在看起來有去做改變而且也說如果好的安全的核能技術我們有可能啟用核能市長桃園最近的這個產業發展非常非常的熱絡而且算力中心呢 主要從北部來講的話它優先也是在桃園最主要的原因就是因為桃園它的電力非常中足"},{"start":724.361,"end":750.697,"text":"他是支撐整個桃園很大很大產業發展的基礎我們也支持電一定要夠用所以只是說我們是說院長跟總統現在也都認為我們可能能源政策配比的方向可能會有所改變所以我們希望是不是能夠重新訂定能源白皮書說清楚講明白我們將來的能源配比可能會怎麼樣去做"},{"start":751.838,"end":772.733,"text":"能源的政策並沒有大改變以氣換煤這是很重要性的一個原則所以未來幾年我們會有很多的新的燃氣機組更新替代這個燃煤機組再來第三點就是剛剛部長講的我們必須增加燃氣的安全存量那這個做下來的這些目的一方是安全更重要的是要一一這樣來"},{"start":775.528,"end":793.257,"text":"讓所有各縣市的產業能夠充分的有充裕的電力能夠來運用包括桃園市在內我今天會提出其實最主要目的就是說我要讓院長跟部長知道這個三接二期我們地方反彈非常非常的劇烈而且那我們今天居然看到我們居然"},{"start":793.777,"end":811.618,"text":"新的能源政策有可能去做一些調整改變希望這個三接二期是不是可以先重新檢討或者先暫緩等到我們新的能源政策能源配比出來之後再來決定這個三接二期是不是確定要興建"},{"start":812.739,"end":836.29,"text":"我們會加強溝通 包括委員 即便是因為河山是在南部 河二如果重啟 那個也是非常之後的事情好 沒關係 希望說因為時間的問題啦桃園的產業發展真的是因為它發展的好 是因為它電力非常好好 我希望這個三接二齊的部分 希望還是對 我知道 所以我說因為我們並不是"},{"start":837.21,"end":856.74,"text":"我們電還是需要 只是說這個有機會去做調整那居然如果有新的能源方向那是不是有機會把這個三接二期因為民眾真的反彈很劇烈希望能夠先暫緩討論是不是有這個機會不需要再增加六座的電氣廠我們在提高這個電燃氣"},{"start":858.101,"end":875.684,"text":"儲量的安全這個前提底下就是讓國家的能源更安全同時不會因為提高儲量的安全增加地方的安全顧慮這一點請委員能夠支持我們一起跟當地的居民們做更多的說明希望他們能夠理解支持國家重大的這個能源政策"},{"start":876.084,"end":896.151,"text":"我希望說就是有機會檢討一下我今天要反映的重點是說如果有新的能源政策然後三接二期民眾居然反應這麼激烈如果有機會的話請院長部長了解一下三接二期是不是有機會做調整那請院長部長這部分多幫忙還有針對我們農業工廠協會這我簡單說明一下農業工廠我們在一百"},{"start":903.615,"end":917.327,"text":"在108年的時候修正109年實施6年的時間你看我們第三階段申請特定工廠有12733家到第四階段成功變更只有230家"},{"start":919.389,"end":935.827,"text":"第四個階段成功取得一般工廠的只有八家也只有萬分之六所以希望這部分院長、部長幫我們加強輔導希望能夠讓他們轉型成功我跟人報告一樣就是農地的一些工廠要合法化的"},{"start":938.536,"end":966.39,"text":"它如果屬於非低汙染的部分那屬於低汙染的部分才有建造成輔導性的可能會來進入這些部分好 我希望我們店長來跟朋友講我們農業部針對我們這一部隊希望加強輔導因為他們一直很想轉型可是這個比例真的太低也希望今天舉出來希望能夠加強輔導讓他們能夠轉型成功不然這個成功的比例真的太低了"},{"start":972.756,"end":973.519,"text":"希望行政院部門"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:46:32.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:46:48.764000+08:00","text":"謝謝，請卓院長及龔部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T14:46:48.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:46:49.285000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長、經濟部長備詢。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:46:49.285000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T14:46:54.031667+08:00","text":"涂委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:46:54.031667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T14:46:58.778333+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:46:58.778333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T14:47:03.525000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:47:03.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:47:13.732000+08:00","text":"今天是經濟組的質詢，所以文化部長不在，可是這問題還是要請院長與部長在經費編列上幫我們忙。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:47:15.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:47:16.213000+08:00","text":"現在請大家先來回顧一下。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:47:17.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:47:35.426000+08:00","text":"之前我們有文化藝術獎助條例，之後於民國110年三讀，修正為文化藝術獎助及促進條例，並於同年5月19號公告實施。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:47:36.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:47:54.517000+08:00","text":"其中差別最大的影響在於新法第十五條，即舊法第九條，由「公有建築物應設置公共藝術……造價百分之一」，變為新法的「……重大公共工程……造價百分之一」。","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:47:54.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:48:02.401000+08:00","text":"也就是說，之前是公有建築物造價的百分之一，但新法變成重大公共工程造價的百分之一。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:48:03.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:48:12.807000+08:00","text":"本席今天之所以會提出這問題，在於觀塘液化天然氣接收站，即之前所講三接部分。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:48:13.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:48:26.792000+08:00","text":"之前因為珍愛藻礁公投的衝擊，行政院在110年5月3號更改為外推方案，主要是為了減少對藻礁的衝擊。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:48:27.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:48:34.715000+08:00","text":"同年12月，經濟部才把鄉鎮預算送到行政院。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:48:35.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:48:59.001000+08:00","text":"但在預算送行政院時，文化藝術獎助及促進條例早就已經公布施行，也就是說這一部分應該依照文化藝術獎助及促進條例第十五條規定，直接依工程費的百分之一來辦理公共藝術。","quality":0.813},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:49:00.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:49:26.034000+08:00","text":"其實中油在111年1月有送第三次修正計畫，而相關機關在回復審查意見時，工程會明確提醒臺灣中油，要按照新法編列，可是中油還是錯誤解讀法律，之後因此召開三次協調會。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:49:26.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:49:36.223000+08:00","text":"但即使召開三次協調會，中油仍把該依法編列的公共藝術經費從662萬一下子改到5,288萬。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:49:36.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:49:56.181000+08:00","text":"直到今年2月，我們只好請主管機關文化部來解釋法律，他出席協調會後，後來文化部也在4月21號正式發函，說外推方案的調增預算應該依照直接工程費的1%來編列公共藝術經費。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:49:59.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:50:29.562000+08:00","text":"這邊我要跟院長報告，當初三接從660億後來增加到965億，也就是說，外推方案就增加了305億，後來我們4月2號那天也請中油黃榮裕副總……他說305億是總工程費，直接工程費是250億元，所以真正增加的公共藝術經費應該是2.5億。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:50:30.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:50:33.403000+08:00","text":"我想部長應該知道這個事情吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:50:35.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:50:45.570000+08:00","text":"對，同仁有跟我講，他是說因為這個工程橫跨了舊法和新法，中間有一些不同的解釋。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:50:48.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:51:37.495000+08:00","text":"我們也確實開過三次協調會，最後只好請主管法律的文化部解釋，文化部也已經正式發函了，我今天會提出來的最主要目的也是要拜託院長，這個部分中油已經拖欠了很多年，其實早在111年工程會就已經提醒臺灣中油要用新法編列，可是中油卻說這個還沒有實施，可是我們都知道，其實在公告的時候就已經實施了，這個預算在送提報跟核定都是在新法之後，所以在這邊拜託院長及部長，督促中油在今年一定要提報，明年希望經濟部、行政院趕快核定，然後送交立法院審查。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:51:39.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:51:56.664000+08:00","text":"好，對於這個部分，我想經濟部應該再跟文化部或工程會就跨越新舊法之間的問題去進行瞭解，如果舊法當時並沒有編列相關預算，在新法實施後又做了一些增加，要不要有一些可以折衷的方式來算。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:51:57.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:52:21.220000+08:00","text":"好，這個部分我跟院長報告，其實我們開了三次協調會，都已經釐清得很清楚，這個外推方案都是在新法實施之後中油才提報的，後來在111年才送交行政院核定，文化部已經確定解讀這個案子的法律絕對是適用新法沒有問題。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:52:22.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:52:40.980000+08:00","text":"我希望院長、部長在了解之後能夠儘快督促中油，今年趕快提報，明年趕快核定，不然這個已經延宕那麼多年，對我們地方回饋公共藝術的部分真的已經延誤了很多年，希望院長跟部長就這個部分能多幫忙。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:52:42.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:52:45.911000+08:00","text":"好的，我剛剛有說請經濟部跟工程會共同來討論。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:52:46.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:52:47.812000+08:00","text":"希望能了解清楚啦，其實……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:52:47.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:52:51.756000+08:00","text":"三接最重要的是生態維護，他要做的一定是重要的工作……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:52:52.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:53:05.027000+08:00","text":"對，重點就是希望……因為這個補助費用差很多，既然提報是在新法實施之後，那就已經很明確了，所以希望我們院長跟部長來督促中油趕快提報實施。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:53:08.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:53:32.465000+08:00","text":"針對能源政策的問題，我想請問一下院長，上個月16號院長有表示，非核家園在去年5月17號已經達成，所以現在不排除接受新的核能技術，院長有講過嘛，對不對？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:53:33.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:53:46.426000+08:00","text":"我們對新的核能技術是一直希望跟世界同步而在討論跟研究，將來有一天商轉的時候，只要它符合安全、沒有核廢料問題以及大家有共識接受，我們都希望跟世界同步。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:53:47.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:53:50.230000+08:00","text":"對這個方向我們也是樂觀其成，我們也是支持啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:53:50.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:25.353000+08:00","text":"而且賴總統也在上個月22號宣布，針對核二、核三，台電可以開始重啟評估，所以基本上不管是院長的新核能技術，還是賴總統在3月22號針對核二、核三的重啟評估，那時候我們也有講了，2025非核家園也已經走過了，現在就像剛剛院長講的，可以的話，會朝向接受核能發電，不管舊技術、新技術，只要是在安全的前提之下，我們就有可能用核能發電，對不對？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:54:26.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:32.859000+08:00","text":"我們的核能三原則還是要遵守，就是核安、核廢還有社會有共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:54:32.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:44.927000+08:00","text":"另外，現在的核三廠必須由台電提出再運轉計畫以及自主安全檢查，送交核安會進行審核，之後才能夠啟動。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:54:44.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:48.670000+08:00","text":"所以只要在這些條件都符合之下，我們是有可能啟動的？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:54:48.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:54.514000+08:00","text":"也要自主安全檢查的過程跟再運轉計畫都能夠合乎核安會的審核同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:54:55.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:54:59.415000+08:00","text":"好，所以看起來我們的能源政策其實是有機會做改變的。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:01.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:16.021000+08:00","text":"我的重點是要詢問一下，因為上個月在觀音有針對三接二期工程計畫召開公聽會，民眾的反彈非常劇烈，因為又要再興建6座儲氣槽，他們是非常的恐慌。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:16.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:26.385000+08:00","text":"我今天想請問部長，當初觀塘液化天然氣接收站（三接）的建置背景是什麼？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:26.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:28.245000+08:00","text":"為什麼要做這個三接？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:29.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:35.248000+08:00","text":"因為要供應北部大潭電廠的天然氣發電，有這樣的需要，就是說雖然有天然氣……","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:35.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:39.530000+08:00","text":"對啊，就是希望逐步增加燃氣的發電量嘛，對不對？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:40.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:44.512000+08:00","text":"對，燃氣增加以後，當然要有接收站，才有辦法實施天然氣發電。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:44.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:55:45.852000+08:00","text":"就是增加燃氣的發電量嘛！對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:55:48.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:56:04.145000+08:00","text":"現在我們逐步調高燃氣的發電量，當時的背景就是因為我們要非核家園，所以我們在能源配比上，在燃氣的部分……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:56:04.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:56:13.451000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為燃氣的目的是要減煤，我們要取代煤，不管怎樣，核能最多……核二、核三也只有占10%，所以不可能……","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:56:14.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:56:27.082000+08:00","text":"當初我們的能源配比是20%再生能源、30%燃煤、50%燃氣，所以三接的目的其實就是要增加燃氣的發電量，這樣沒有錯吧？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:56:27.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:56:35.789000+08:00","text":"對，煤是要儘快地把它降下來，因為當初的煤接近50%，現在已經降了，我們希望能降到30%左右。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:56:35.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:57:13.624000+08:00","text":"對，我們來看一下，當初在104年有針對三接做可行性研究報告，計畫的摘要部分最主要就是，針對三接投資計畫，台灣中油配合台電，因應政府確保核安、穩健減核、打造綠能低碳環境，邁向非核家園的新能源政策，這是當初計畫上面所摘要的重要部分，也是因應非核家園，所以把燃氣的配比提高嘛！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:57:15.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:57:29.327000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，因為我們現在的儲存量是11天，大家都覺得可能風險比較高，希望增加到14天，所以儲存槽必須一定要增加，才有辦法可以讓安全天數往上增加。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:57:29.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:57:34.209000+08:00","text":"我知道，因為增加6座主要就是增加燃氣的發電量嘛！是。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:57:35.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:57:43.732000+08:00","text":"所以我們的目標是希望能夠增加到24天，可是我們要知道，其實像……14天啦！14天嘛！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:57:45.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:58:20.038000+08:00","text":"其實像這一次美伊戰爭，我國天然氣的主要輸出國是卡達，所以這次我們的天然氣就沒辦法進來，這樣也可能會影響燃氣進來……變成我們天然氣的輸入進來也可能像這次這樣受到美伊戰爭的影響，所以我們的希望是，既然能源政策現在看起來有要做改變，而且也說了，如果有好的、安全的核能技術，我們有可能啟用核能……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T14:58:21.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:58:39.024000+08:00","text":"報告委員，事實上桃園最近的產業發展非常非常熱絡，而且算力中心，如果從北部來講，優先也是在桃園，最主要的原因就是因為桃園的電力非常充足，這是支撐整個桃園很大很大的產業發展的基礎。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:58:39.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:59:00.677000+08:00","text":"對，我們也支持電一定要夠用，只是說，院長跟總統現在也都認為在能源政策的配比方向可能會有所改變，所以我們希望是不是重新訂定能源白皮書，說清楚講明白將來的能源配比可能會怎麼樣去做？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:59:01.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:59:13.446000+08:00","text":"我幾點跟委員報告，能源的政策並沒有大改變，以氣換煤是很重要性的原則，所以未來幾年我們會有很多新的燃氣機組更新來替代燃煤機組。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T14:59:13.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T14:59:31.551000+08:00","text":"再來，剛才部長有說到，我們必須增加燃氣的安全存量，這個做下來，其目的一方面是安全，更重要是，要讓所有各縣市的產業能夠有充裕的電力來運用，也包括桃園市在內。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T14:59:31.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:01.598000+08:00","text":"好，我今天會提出來的最主要目的是要讓院長跟部長知道，對於三接二期，地方反彈非常非常劇烈，而且今天既然我們看到新的能源政策有可能去做一些調整改變，希望這個三接二期是不是可以先重新檢討，或者先暫緩，等到我們新的能源政策、能源配比出來之後，再來決定這個三接二期是不是確定要興建？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:02.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:03.499000+08:00","text":"是，我們會加強溝通。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:04.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:11.543000+08:00","text":"報告委員，即便是……因為核三在南部，核二如果重啟，那也是非常之後的事情，那現在桃園的……","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:11.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:13.804000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，因為時間的關係……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:14.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:18.666000+08:00","text":"桃園的產業能夠發展得好，真的是因為它的電力非常充足……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:18.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:23.008000+08:00","text":"好，我希望三接二期的部分還是……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:23.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:24.008000+08:00","text":"因為電力就是算力，算力就是競爭力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:23.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:00:44.719000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，所以我說因為我們並不是……電我們還是需要，只是說這個有機會去做調整，既然有新的能源方向，是不是有機會把三接二期……因為民眾真的反彈很劇烈，希望能夠先暫緩討論，是不是有機會不需要再增加6座的儲氣槽？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T15:00:44.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:01:05.664000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們在提高天然氣安全儲量的前提底下，就是讓國家的能源更安全，同時不會因為提高安全儲量增加地方的安全顧慮，這一點請委員能夠支持，我們一起跟當地的居民做更多的說明，希望他們能夠理解，支持國家的重大能源政策。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:01:06.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:01:08.245000+08:00","text":"好，我希望有機會檢討一下。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:01:09.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:01:23.010000+08:00","text":"我今天要反映的重點就是，如果有新的能源政策，然後三接二期民眾既然反應這麼激烈，有機會的話，也要請院長、部長了解一下三接二期是不是有機會做調整，請院長、部長在這部分多幫忙。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:01:23.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:02.203000+08:00","text":"還有，針對農地工廠的轉型，這部分我簡單說明一下，有關農地工廠轉型的工輔法在108年修正，109年實施，至今6年時間，你看我們第三階段申請特定工廠的家數有1萬2,733家，到第四階段成功變更用地的只有230家，到第四個階段成功取得一般工廠登記的只有8家，比率只有萬分之六，所以希望這部分院長、部長幫我們加強輔導，希望能夠讓他們轉型成功。謝謝。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:02.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:19.121000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，農地工廠要合法化的過程中，一個非常重要的就是，如果是屬於非低污染的部分一定要移，屬於低污染的部分才有進到我們的輔導系統，我們會有協助、輔導的作為。","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:19.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:36.370000+08:00","text":"院長也在這邊，我希望農業部針對這部分能加強輔導，因為他們一直很想轉型，可是成功的比例真的太低，也希望今天提出來之後能夠加強輔導，讓他們能夠轉型成功，不然成功的比例真的太低了，不到萬分之六。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:36.870000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:39.727143+08:00","text":"我們會來加強，我們希望……","quality":0},{"speaker":"涂委員權吉","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:40.027143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:41.027143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:41.327143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:42.470000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:42.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:51.055714+08:00","text":"希望行政院部門把涂權吉委員關切的資料送到涂權吉委員的研究室。","quality":0.241},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:51.355714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:02:58.498571+08:00","text":"謝謝涂權吉委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:02:58.798571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:03:04.798571+08:00","text":"接下來請翁曉玲委員質詢，下面請陳素月委員準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}