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謝謝部長您的說明所以美國到現在也還沒有完成MOU內部程序那麼請問ART的內部程序美國也完成了嗎"},{"start":533.997,"end":551.366,"text":"因為他的法律依據是IPA那IPA因為最高的法院說已經超出總統的職權所以他現在在重建他的法律依據那我們雙方也持續的保持聯絡希望原來談好的那個結果可以鞏固住"},{"start":551.991,"end":569.521,"text":"好所以也就是說現在因為美國最高法院宣告這個對等關稅是違憲的所以讓ART和MOU的這兩份協議到目前為止就等於說它的進度是就延宕了那甚至可能未來就停擺也可能不會現在繼續這個協定可能也不會再生效是嗎"},{"start":574.544,"end":602.688,"text":"目前來講的話就是大家還是同意說那個結果談定了以後就不要變但是那個法律中間的這個法律重建可能要一點時間好那麼簡單來說就是說現在美國方面他們也還沒有正式的完成所有MOU跟ART的相關的這個合訂的程序那當然台灣這邊的話想當然你們也不會把這個ART和MOU送到立法院來進行審查對吧"},{"start":603.328,"end":629.131,"text":"因為確定以後就會送立法院未來你們可能會重新展開新的談判嗎未來對就是說這件事情接下來如果說是他沒有通過會有沒有可能把這個ART然後重新又拿出來裡面的事情重新再拿來談判還是會基本上已經談好了那個結果是雙方都已經同意的所以現在是在法律的這個部分的基礎重建的工作不是在"},{"start":629.851,"end":655.805,"text":"不過就是我想大家國人都很關切就是說因為裡面其實有蠻多的內容是很不合理的所以我們也希望假設之後有機會重新談判的話希望我們經濟部我們農業部還是要能夠堅守台灣的這個立場我們的經濟的利益還有我們國民健康的安全的一些立場那最後對於工部長這邊我還有一個附帶的提醒就是因為你們其實一直沒有提出很清楚的產業衝擊影響評估報告"},{"start":657.566,"end":685.903,"text":"在行政院的官网上面其实写的都非常非常的简略完全没有重点也不够深入那我想国人其实是非常关心台湾跟其他国家尤其跟美国的这个对等关税贸易协定里面它可能会对于台湾产业带来什么冲击所以本席希望就是说两个部会回去之后是不是能够尽速把可能对于农业或对其他经济产业的冲击然后能够把相关资料补齐然后写得更深入的报告可以吗"},{"start":686.836,"end":710.342,"text":"八號委員因為我們當初的設想是說那等到雙方談定以後我們要送到大院那個就會完整的資料都提供給大院但是因為這個時程上有一點點拖了所以你們現在就暫時也不會補嗎那接下來本市要請教的是陳部長因為農業部最近搞出了發芽馬鈴薯之亂讓國人赫然驚覺說原來台美貿易"},{"start":710.982,"end":731.97,"text":"谈判当中民进党政府竟然出卖了国人的食安健康然后也弃守了农产品的检疫防线而令人非常的气愤那关于马铃薯发芽马铃薯的这个事情要怎么样去检验因为已经有很多讨论所以本席在这里也不会再细谈可是本席不得不说这整个行政体系对于发芽马铃薯的事情的处理"},{"start":732.61,"end":750.066,"text":"態度我覺得處理方式我覺得是荒腔走板尤其是我們的行政院長卓榮泰竟然說馬鈴薯要一個一個去檢驗這種如此荒謬很愚蠢的話竟然會說出來這讓人太沒有讓人這稱呼結舌沒有知識也有常識吧我特別跟委員說明一下"},{"start":751.588,"end":773.13,"text":"馬鈴薯是要怎麼檢驗?沒關係部長我不會再追究這件事情但是本心想要問的就是說當初修改發芽馬鈴薯檢疫標準這件事情你們當時有公告社會大眾有讓農產業、農業界知道這件事情嗎?我想我們在任何的法規的公告一定有預告在經過公告的一個程序謝謝,你們當時預告的時候是幾天?"},{"start":775.066,"end":803.072,"text":"我這個可能要查一下,我們一定有一個預告的程序在公告好,那看起來部長您不清楚,因為我去查了你們第一次當時說要修改這個檢驗標準的時間,說預告時間是60天但是呢,預告公告才剛出去,沒幾天,立刻就撤回改成只有預告14天所以你們知道嗎,你們這份檢驗標準的這個規定的預告修正程序只有14天"},{"start":804.608,"end":831.73,"text":"我想整個預告最長是60天最短可以到7天好 那你們的理由是說因為這個加牙因為這個規定的修正不會影響到農業生產環境也對於民眾的權益沒有實質的影響所以整個預告時間縮短為14天但是會對於民眾的健康沒有影響嗎是絕對沒有影響 我要跟你們報告所有的八牙"},{"start":832.29,"end":842.979,"text":"不會對我們國人的一個食安照的影響我們對於檢疫跟檢驗是沒有任何改變的如果說我們未來立法院我們認為說現在這樣的檢驗標準太低我們要恢復之前的門檻我們修法"},{"start":851.267,"end":865.316,"text":"農業部會照辦嗎我跟委員報告牙體的檢查全世界只有我們台灣在做這件事情所以其他的國家都沒有針對牙體做檢查農業部會不會照辦"},{"start":866.553,"end":885.919,"text":"我要跟委員講,我們在做檢疫一定是雙邊在做談判然後相對的本身一定要符合國際規範我們一定是符合國際規範其實不只是馬鈴薯事件,未來還會有其他的未爆彈為什麼?因為依據我們ARTD3.3條農業的專章第二項的規定裡面就講"},{"start":890.14,"end":897.096,"text":"台湾未来对美国是要移除所有会破坏互惠的不合理的食品安全检验与动植物的防疫"},{"start":898.28,"end":921.248,"text":"檢疫的障礙說的白話一點就只要是美國人不滿意的動植物的防疫管檢疫管制措施我覺得委員對這個條文解讀是錯誤的所有的檢疫的單位都是雙邊進行會商簡單來說就是凡是美國人不滿意的動植物防疫檢疫管制措施你這樣解讀是錯誤的我覺得你這樣解讀是錯誤的"},{"start":925.129,"end":950.267,"text":"我現在要講的是說接下來依照現在ART裡面的規定我們可能未來會對於像是美國禽流感疫區的進口管制會大幅鬆綁現在的進口管制的規定是如何對於來自於美國禽流感疫區的這些所有的禽流感的限定範圍"},{"start":981.599,"end":981.619,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":995.525,"end":995.866,"text":"好 謝謝好 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說，這份關稅貿易協定（ART）根本就是個喪權辱國的貿易協定！","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:09:16.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:09:47.232000+08:00","text":"上個月美國貿易代表署公布了2026年的貿易障礙報告，他們列舉了臺美多項貿易障礙，以及臺灣在貿易協議所做的承諾，其中特別是大幅放寬美國進口商品的檢驗和檢疫標準，當然還有未來不再對美國的農產品依WTO的規定課徵關稅，這些事情其實引起了輿論譁然。","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:09:47.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:03.837000+08:00","text":"因為從這個時候開始，大家才從發芽馬鈴薯事件發現原來臺美對等貿易協定對臺灣而言，果真是一份喪權辱國，放棄國家監管權利……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:03.837000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:04.837000+08:00","text":"委員，你講這句話，我們沒有辦法接受。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:04.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:04.937000+08:00","text":"而且犧牲臺灣經濟權益的協議。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:04.937000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:05.937000+08:00","text":"委員，我們絕對不會……我們的所有標準是維持一致的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:05.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:06.738000+08:00","text":"請聽我說完，我沒有請教你，陳部長！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:15.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:23.643000+08:00","text":"原來所謂的全壘打是讓美國擊出全壘打，而對臺灣則是全面失守，讓利太多，幾乎是全面讓步了！","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:25.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:38.766000+08:00","text":"除了ART之外，國人也非常關心的就是臺美投資MOU的內容，一直想要清楚了解到底臺美雙向投資計畫有些什麼項目，有沒有像賴清德總統說得那麼美好。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:39.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:46.470000+08:00","text":"所以，在此本席想要請教的就是，為什麼現在我們都還沒有看到MOU的完整內容？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:46.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:48.271000+08:00","text":"不知道這個有沒有公布？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:50.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:50.968000+08:00","text":"關於MOU的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:52.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:10:59.936000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在臺美之間實質上的貿易狀況，我們現在是全世界最大順差國，對美國來講，而且金額非常非常高。","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:10:59.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:07.582000+08:00","text":"我現在要請教您的是當時在1月份跟美國商務部所簽訂的這份MOU已經公布了嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:09.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:09.464000+08:00","text":"還沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:09.464000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:10.464000+08:00","text":"還沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:09.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:11.505000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣為什麼到現在沒有公布？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:11.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:12.625000+08:00","text":"fact sheet公布了？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:15.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:17.027000+08:00","text":"等於是簡易對外說明……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:17.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:20.088000+08:00","text":"只有簡易的才公布，其他東西都沒有公布？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:20.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:24.269000+08:00","text":"我們簽了兩千多項的MOU（備忘錄）事項都沒有公布？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:24.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:25.209000+08:00","text":"為什麼呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:25.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:27.870000+08:00","text":"因為美國沒有完成程序嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:27.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:29.171000+08:00","text":"美國有沒有完成內部程序？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:29.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:35.233000+08:00","text":"因為他們要公告以後才完成程序，到目前為止還沒有做行政上的公告。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:35.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:39.137000+08:00","text":"所以也就是說美國到現在為止也還沒有完成內部的程序？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:39.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:42.860000+08:00","text":"我們已經談定了，但是他還沒有做行政上的公告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:43.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:48.085000+08:00","text":"了解，謝謝部長您的說明，所以美國到現在也還沒有完成MOU內部程序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:48.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:11:51.868000+08:00","text":"請問，ART的內部程序，美國也完成了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:11:53.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:04.903000+08:00","text":"因為它的法律依據是IEEPA，而最高法院說那已經超出總統的職權，所以現在在重建它的法律依據。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:05.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:11.346000+08:00","text":"我們雙方也持續保持聯絡，希望原來談好的那個結果可以鞏固住。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:11.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:27.280000+08:00","text":"好，所以也就是說，現在因為美國最高法院宣告對等關稅是違憲的，所以讓ART和MOU這兩份協議到目前為止等於是進度延宕了，甚至可能未來就停擺？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:27.280000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:28.280000+08:00","text":"方向上還是會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:27.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:28.561000+08:00","text":"也可能不會再繼續？對。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:28.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:29.521000+08:00","text":"這個協定可能也不會再生效，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:34.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:12:44.232000+08:00","text":"目前來講的話就是大家還是同意那個結果談定了以後就不要變，但是中間的法律重建可能要一點時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:12:44.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:02.668000+08:00","text":"好，簡單來說就是現在美國方面也還沒有正式完成所有MOU跟ART的相關核定程序，當然臺灣這邊想當然爾，你們也不會把ART和MOU送到立法院來進行審查，對吧？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:03.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:04.829000+08:00","text":"確定以後就會送立法院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:05.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:10.735000+08:00","text":"未來你們可能會重新展開新的談判嗎？未來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:10.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:19.702000+08:00","text":"對，就是這件事情接下來如果沒有通過，有沒有可能把ART裡面的事情重新再拿來談判？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:20.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:20.823000+08:00","text":"還是不會？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:20.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:29.111000+08:00","text":"基本上已經談好了，那個結果是雙方都已經同意的，所以現在是在法律這個部分的基礎重建工作，不是在結果的部分。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:29.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:13:47.521000+08:00","text":"好，不過我想國人都很關切的就是裡面其實有滿多內容是很不合理的，所以假設之後有機會重新談判的話，我們希望經濟部、農業部還是要能夠堅守臺灣的立場，就是我們的經濟利益，還有我們國民健康安全的立場。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:13:47.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:25.803000+08:00","text":"最後對於龔部長這邊，我還有一個附帶的提醒，因為你們一直沒有提出很清楚的產業衝擊影響評估報告，在行政院官網上面其實寫得都非常非常簡略，完全沒有重點，也不夠深入，我想國人非常關心臺灣跟其他國家，尤其跟美國的對等關稅貿易協定可能會對臺灣產業帶來什麼衝擊，所以本席希望兩個部會回去之後，是不是能夠儘速把可能對於農業或對其他經濟產業衝擊的相關資料補齊，寫一個更深入的報告，可以嗎？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:27.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:35.018000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們當初的設想是等到雙方談定以後，我們要送到大院，那個就會是完整的資料都提供給大院……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:35.018000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:36.018000+08:00","text":"好，了解了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:35.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:38.599000+08:00","text":"但是因為時程上有一點點拖了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:38.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:41.200000+08:00","text":"好，所以你們現在就暫時也不會補嘛！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:41.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:44.360000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要請教的是陳部長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:14:44.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:14:58.625000+08:00","text":"因為農業部最近搞出了發芽馬鈴薯之亂，讓國人赫然驚覺原來臺美貿易談判當中，民進黨政府竟然出賣了國人的食安健康，也棄守了農產品的檢疫防線，令人非常的氣憤。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:00.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:28.825000+08:00","text":"關於發芽馬鈴薯要怎麼樣去檢驗這件事情，因為已經有很多討論，所以本席在這裡也不再細談，可是本席不得不說這整個行政體系對於發芽馬鈴薯事件的處理態度和處理方式是荒腔走板，尤其是我們的行政院長卓榮泰，竟然說馬鈴薯要一個、一個去檢驗，竟然會說出如此荒謬、愚蠢的話，讓人瞠目結舌，沒有知識也要有常識吧！","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:29.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:30.046000+08:00","text":"我可不可以跟委員說明一下？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:31.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:32.248000+08:00","text":"幾十萬個馬鈴薯要怎麼檢驗？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:32.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:46.223000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，我不會再追究這件事情，但是本席想要問修改發芽馬鈴薯檢疫標準這件事情，你們當時有公告社會大眾、有讓農業界知道這件事情嗎？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:47.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:51.788000+08:00","text":"我們任何法規的公告一定有預告再經過公告的程序，這是第一個。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:52.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:53.110000+08:00","text":"謝謝，你們當時預告的時候是幾天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:53.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:55.666000+08:00","text":"你們對於這個法規修正的預告是幾天？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:15:55.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:15:59.607000+08:00","text":"這可能要查一下，我們一定有一個預告的程序再公告。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:00.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:16.390000+08:00","text":"看起來部長你不清楚，因為我去查了，你們當時要修改這個檢驗標準的預告時間是60天，但是公告才剛出去沒幾天，立刻就撤回，改成只有預告14天，你知道嗎？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:17.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:24.608000+08:00","text":"這份檢驗標準的預告修正程序只有14天，我覺得不可思議，因為……","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:24.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:29.212000+08:00","text":"整個預告最長是60天，最短可以到7天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:29.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:42.442000+08:00","text":"好，你們的理由是因為這個規定的修正不會影響到農業生產環境，對於民眾的權益也沒有實質的影響。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:42.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:44.964000+08:00","text":"所以整個預告時間縮短為14天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:45.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:48.227000+08:00","text":"但是對於民眾的健康會沒有影響嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:48.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:49.227000+08:00","text":"本席真的沒有辦法接受。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:48.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:49.368000+08:00","text":"絕對沒有影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:49.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:16:59.436000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告，所有的發芽不會對我們國人的食安造成影響，我們對於檢疫跟檢驗是沒有任何改變的。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:59.436000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:00.436000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:16:59.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:13.048000+08:00","text":"因為本席的時間有限，我在此還要再講，如果未來立法院認為現在這樣的檢驗標準太低，要恢復之前的門檻，我們修法，農業部會照辦嗎？","quality":0.709},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:13.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:23.335000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，全世界只有我們臺灣在做芽體檢查這件事情，其他的國家都沒有針對芽體做檢查。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:24.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:25.316000+08:00","text":"所以立法院如果修法回復到更嚴格的標準，農業部會不會照辦？","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:26.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:35.296000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員講，我們做檢疫一定是雙邊在做談判，相對的本身一定要符合國際規範。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:35.296000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:36.296000+08:00","text":"看起來部長基本上不會想要以更嚴格的方式來保護國民的健康。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:35.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:38.877000+08:00","text":"我們一定是符合國際規範。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:38.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:17:43.438000+08:00","text":"接下來我要再講，其實不只是馬鈴薯事件，未來還會有其他的未爆彈，為什麼？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:17:43.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:05.743000+08:00","text":"因為依據我們ART第3.3條農業專章第2項的規定，臺灣未來對美國要移除所有會破壞互惠的不合理食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫障礙，說得白話一點，只要是美國人不滿意的動植物防疫檢疫管制措施，臺灣就要配合去做修正。","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:06.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:12.925000+08:00","text":"我覺得委員對這個條文解讀是錯誤的，所有的檢疫都是雙邊進行會商。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:15.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:19.267000+08:00","text":"我再講一次，簡單來說，就是凡是美國人不滿意的動植物防疫檢疫管制措施，臺灣就要配合去做修正……","quality":0.634},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:20.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:21.228000+08:00","text":"我覺得你這樣解讀是錯誤的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:27.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:37.998000+08:00","text":"請問部長，接下來依照ART裡面的規定，可能未來會對於像是美國禽流感疫區的進口管制大幅鬆綁……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:37.998000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:38.998000+08:00","text":"我跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:37.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:41+08:00","text":"現在的進口管制規定是如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:41.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:44.102000+08:00","text":"對於來自美國禽流感疫區的家禽。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:44.102000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:50.351500+08:00","text":"所有禽流感的限定範圍和它的風險有關，以國內來講是5公里，在美國是以郡為範圍，比臺灣還嚴格。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:50.351500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:18:56.601000+08:00","text":"農業部的規定原來是以州為範圍，現在因為ART降到郡，從州降到郡，你說現在的規定合理……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:18:56.601000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:02.850500+08:00","text":"國內的禽流感是5公里，所以我說要看風險，所有的檢疫都是專業的風險評估。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:02.850500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:09.100000+08:00","text":"我必須說，陳部長你真的沒有把國人的健康放在心裏！","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:09.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:15.349500+08:00","text":"強國必先強身，國家的強盛在於人民的體力和健康。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:15.349500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:21.599000+08:00","text":"國內的禽流感是5公里……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:21.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:21.619000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:22.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:26.976143+08:00","text":"我再說一次，國內的標準反而是5公里而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:27.276143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:36.419000+08:00","text":"你們這樣的作法，未來只會讓臺灣人就算賺了很多錢但是身體健康出了狀況……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:36.719000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:41.861857+08:00","text":"我們對國內的生產環境一定是嚴格的把關。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:42.161857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:45.590429+08:00","text":"你們真的對得起我們國人嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:45.890429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:49.319000+08:00","text":"我希望陳部長要有擔當，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:49.619000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:51.619000+08:00","text":"我們一定有擔當。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:51.919000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:19:58.776143+08:00","text":"謝謝翁曉玲委員的質詢，謝謝農業部、經濟部部長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:19:59.076143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:20:07.647571+08:00","text":"接下來委員質詢之後，將會休息10分鐘，10分鐘之後再請鍾佳濱委員準備質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-24T15:20:07.947571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-24T15:20:11.090429+08:00","text":"接下來請陳素月委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}