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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.484000+08:00","text":"主席，有請顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T09:37:28.484000+08:00","text":"請顧部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.504000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T09:37:28.504000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:37:27.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:37:30.926000+08:00","text":"這一次在這篇報告裡面引述了我們如何藉助美國DIU的新觀念和經驗來成立了DIO，是不是請苗司長上臺？","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:38:01.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:38:11.512000+08:00","text":"我們看這張圖表，這是根據國防部的論述所做的，我幫你們表格化了，就是把特點、目標、方法、手段、成功因素都列出來了。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:38:14.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:38:27.336000+08:00","text":"針對我們成立創新小組的說明，請問目前我們的人才夠不夠？","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T09:38:27.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:38:40.282000+08:00","text":"委員好，您問到人才夠不夠，就我們DIO這一兩年來的運作情況，我們當然覺得人才越多越好，在人才的部分，除了文官跟軍職以外，我們有約聘的人員。","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T09:38:40.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:38:46.726000+08:00","text":"我們也有跟中科院借將，就是他們有專門的人員會在我們這邊駐點來協助我們。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T09:38:46.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:39:01.684000+08:00","text":"另外，我們也向工研院做專案的委託，他們會幫我們去了解國內外新興科技的發展趨勢，所以跟各單位有一些相關的配合。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T09:39:02.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:39:02.986000+08:00","text":"我們都會持續爭取人才，謝謝委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:39:05.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:39:26.841000+08:00","text":"我提出建議，對所有的科技發展或專案管理而言，人才是最重要的，通常我們投資在硬體上或軟體上的資源都持續在增加，但是最重要的是人才的培養，人才的培養包括三軍官校、指參和戰略教育等。","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:39:27.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:39:51.801000+08:00","text":"因為你們有很多方面將來都借重AI的功能，現在如果談AI，人人都會講AI，在坊間的開放式軟體或少量價錢的軟體，不同的公司也都有開發，可是這雲端架設在國外，你可以問一個淺顯的問題，但是如果你問了深入的東西，你的資料庫就跑到人家的系統裡面了。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:39:52.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:40:11.013000+08:00","text":"所以培養人才就是用DIO辦公室作為一個方向，跟所謂的人力司在教育、管理層面，希望在三軍官校、指參教育，乃至於戰院要開始導入這種新的課程。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:40:11.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:40:55.343000+08:00","text":"因為現在是年輕人進步快，資深長官可能只是聽聞，真正使用的終究是少數，很多圖像可以做出建議，比方講我們導入AI，事實上，我們現在先講國內的整合防空系統「臺灣之盾」，實際上是構建在現在三軍既有的指管系統，再加上美軍提供的先進系統，不管是C5ISRT或是加上targeting，你要做多軌追蹤、情資融合、整合網路、複合圖像、AI發展與整合，但是最終是使用者要負責任。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:40:56.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:41:31.032000+08:00","text":"所以我們剛剛提到很多的無人載具，像20萬架無人機，有多少百分比是用於陸上的，這個比較單純；有多少是用到海空偵巡，就是離開本島了，因為你剛剛提到現在的系統發展過程中，包括使用GPS被蓋臺、被干擾，其他的功能都被降低了，這個時候在陸上我們有很多方法，可是在海空遠距離的，沒有GPS、沒有衛星鏈路，這個功能就受限了。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:41:32.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:42:19.487000+08:00","text":"在這上面我們可能要持續強化，並不是只於陸上用的小型無人機，因為在剛剛的簡報內容裡面提到，無人機有兩種，一種是完全自主性的、一種是遙控的，也就是我們現在做的申請駕照，所謂的license合格簽證，實際上是遙控系統，它可以傳畫面、傳東西，但是如果WiFi不通、微波不足、機動臺不夠，像你剛剛報告的，有委員講甚至我們用繫留式中繼臺，大型無人機都可以做中繼通訊，整體的運用作戰構想可能要及早納入教育訓練的方式，而不是買硬體只是用單向的評估。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:42:20.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:42:51.402000+08:00","text":"後面這個圖只是作為參考，臺灣之盾實際上是中高空、低空和美軍現在軍售提供的武器，要使我們現有的武器sensor端整個做一個整合，其中空軍是擁有最多的防空遠程涵蓋，將來導入的IBCS功能很強，可是它在一個中間的地位，所以海空軍的東西要用IBCS做介面，可能在軟體的發展中需要一段時間。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:42:55.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:43:12.031000+08:00","text":"空軍是我們發展遠程監控最早的，天網、強網、寰網一直到今年底要結案驗收的寰展，它把海空軍做了整合，但是這一部分的資訊將來要回送到所謂的IBCS。","quality":0.631},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:43:13.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:43:30.464000+08:00","text":"這就是公情顯示，用距離顯示的涵蓋範圍，但是這個並不能代表武器和sensor的涵蓋，因為其實針對不同的雷達截面積、不同的高度跟雷達的涵蓋波數都不一樣，但是這是一種公情顯示。","quality":0.646},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:43:30.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:43:55.074000+08:00","text":"可是從這個觀念就進來了，顯示我們買了很多先進武器，還要結合我們國內的武器，透過整合希望把它的功能強化，系統整合要有穩定的可靠運作，要有可支援度、有獨立運作，也可及時互通，這部分中科院扮演很重要的角色。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:43:55.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:44:12.722000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊一直強調，中科院不能夠只做主合約商，TRL 7、8、9要有掌握，但是TRL 4、5、6你要給它足夠的預算，它還是要培養人才，不能只做高端的整合，我想中科院有這個想法。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:44:13.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:44:51.973000+08:00","text":"最後的建議就是自主韌性，充實國防產業和能力，構成軍工產業鏈，這個我們是完全支持，回到最後的原則，就是加速國防科技DIU、無人機指管、無人載具及反制系統是我們都認同優先，但這裡面有一個優點，也是一個限制因素，我們這些無人系統Automas是main in the loop、under the loop、out of the loop，這裡面都跟我們所謂的ROE和戰備規定，最後就是我們授權責長官的負責。","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:44:53.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:44:55.895000+08:00","text":"對於這些問題，請部長做一點指導，給我們做個回應。","quality":0.381},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T09:44:57.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:02.586000+08:00","text":"您是指相關的ROE跟那個部分的結合嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:02.586000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:03.586000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:02.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:11.695000+08:00","text":"因為ROE的部分，現在在相關的演練當中，我們都在律定相關ROE的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:12.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:48.458000+08:00","text":"您談到的是無人系統會不會跟我們的ROE做了一些誤判還是相關的問題，我覺得這個議題始終存在，我只能夠說，最後還是如您講的，要由人來做最後的決策衡量，AI只是一個輔助決策系統，主要的決策應該還是在指揮官手上。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:50.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:50.814000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:50.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:51.781000+08:00","text":"我們大家共同努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:52.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:52.325000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:52.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:54.825000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳永康委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T09:45:55.125000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T09:45:58.839286+08:00","text":"接下來請林楚茵委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}