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而是我們中央跟地方已經有一個合作模式包含電腦的採購中央要多少地方付多少都已經傳統了這還是賴總統所自己宣示的嘛今年是AI人才年嘛那我們怎麼樣培訓AI的人才嘛"},{"start":901.891,"end":929.936,"text":"這個東西不用等預算這個東西你們整個行政院都應該大力去做啊是不是那你們沒有做導致於現在在基層在各縣市大家在找這個AI的師資在找雙語的師資等等的都面臨相關的問題未來在我們怎麼樣子全力發展AI產業的時候這都是一個非常嚴重的問題我希望"},{"start":931.437,"end":931.597,"text":"主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:21:25.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:21:31.125000+08:00","text":"謝謝江副院長，我想要請卓院長，還有鄭部長、吳主委。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:21:32.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:21:34.747000+08:00","text":"我們請卓院長、鄭部長、吳主委備詢。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:21:34.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:21:34.947000+08:00","text":"謝委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:21:34.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:21:36.248000+08:00","text":"卓院長午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:21:36.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:22:17.851000+08:00","text":"我想要請問一下，國發會有預估2025到2028年，我們AI人才缺口即將要達到35萬人，今年賴總統又宣布是AI的人才年，我想要請問一下，現在我們怎麼樣協助企業？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:22:17.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:22:55.131000+08:00","text":"因為根據人工智慧科技基金會的調查顯示，臺灣產業AI化大調查裡面，在組織端有44.7%的企業都沒有制定任何AI人才的培訓，有61.8%的企業的AI應用是在組織之外，真正有把整個AI融入企業核心運作的只有6.6%。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:22:55.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:08.616000+08:00","text":"我想要請問鄭部長，怎麼樣不讓我們的AI教育只是成為學校的通識教育，而是真的能夠運用到企業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:09.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:21.321000+08:00","text":"從這樣的調查看起來，目前企業好像沒有辦法真的運用，還是我們在AI人才上面是真的缺乏？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:24.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:35.061000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝委員關心我們在AI人才的培育到學校的能量怎麼樣去嘉惠到產業、AI能力的提升。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:36.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:42.748000+08:00","text":"確實隨著AI科技的快速發展，也跟委員報告一個數據，在去年的時候，我們……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:43.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:46.130000+08:00","text":"你說二刀流，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:46.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:47.332000+08:00","text":"你說教育人才二刀流嘛！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:23:48.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:23:59.902000+08:00","text":"光是中小學老師，去年我們大概有2萬個老師在職增能，但是在今年、在上個月，我們已經增加到5萬人。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:00.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:20.939000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們透過許多研習、老師的培訓、增能，我們從校長、老師到家長，包含怎麼樣去使用科技AI的許多注意事項，包含老師的教學，我們都有提供整個……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:20.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:33.849000+08:00","text":"你現在講的不要只有賴總統講二刀流，你就講二刀流，現在AI的運用不只要二刀流、要三刀流、要四刀流、要五刀流，全面性嘛，是不是？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:34.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:37.133000+08:00","text":"各科系都要跟AI運用嘛，是不是？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:37.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:40.195000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我只是舉例我們老師的調訓……","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:40.195000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:41.195000+08:00","text":"都需要跨領域的合作，是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:40.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:40.676000+08:00","text":"已經有增加50%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:40.676000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:24:45.840000+08:00","text":"對，我現在講的是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:24:45.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:04.272000+08:00","text":"另外，在大學端我們有TAICA，我們從前年的9月就開始從大學裡面……因為並不是每一個大學都像臺成清交有非常豐富的AI專長領域的老師，我們也開始結合大學的資源……","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:04.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:12.877000+08:00","text":"對，你講到重點了，是不是AI領域的老師、甚至我們在AI人才上都是缺乏的嘛？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:13.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:13.578000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:14.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:27.430000+08:00","text":"我們快速地讓這些新世代的大學生、研究生他們也能夠……儘管學校可能沒有這方面的專長，我們也透過線上，結合臺成清交的師資來協助。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:27.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:45.624000+08:00","text":"我講的是源頭，吳主委，你也非常重視AI人才共同的培訓，你知道企業如果缺乏AI人才，未來我們臺灣整體要發展AI真的就是緣木求魚了，是不是？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:46.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:25:53.890000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為AI進展非常快速，所以大部分企業、社會需要的人才都是要在職、在業培訓。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:25:53.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:26:14.524000+08:00","text":"我們的學校教育當然是全面性在訓練現在的學生，可是目前進一步是很努力在推動在職培訓，我們教育部技職體系的學校其實也很努力在做產學合作，所以從學校跟企業端，政府現在都大力在培訓我們的AI人才。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:26:14.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:26:18.808000+08:00","text":"我知道你們都想要大力培訓，可是從源頭就不夠。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:26:19.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:26:22.610000+08:00","text":"我想請問，你們有沒有考慮過業界師資？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:26:27.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:26:28.767000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法導入業界師資？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:26:29.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:00.714000+08:00","text":"就是從實務界、AI界，因為我們現在一直在推的是數位遊牧，我們希望數位遊牧的簽證可以比較久，還有我們希望向外攬才，向外攬才到臺灣來以及我們怎麼樣減少學用落差，我想請問，過去行政院有沒有討論過業界師資？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:04.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:05.779000+08:00","text":"委員這個建議是很好，國科會……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:07.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:08.621000+08:00","text":"你有討論過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:08.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:08.741000+08:00","text":"吳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:10.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:10.182000+08:00","text":"國科會跟教育部……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:12.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:13.265000+08:00","text":"現在討論了，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:13.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:14.526000+08:00","text":"不是，我們討論過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:14.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:17.408000+08:00","text":"我想跟委員報告，對不起，我來打岔。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:18.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:45.609000+08:00","text":"首先要感謝大院的支持，在我們的特別預算裡面提供了199.4億支持攬才，我們也因為這樣提出了類醫學院，包含產學怎麼樣合作，我們確實是有考慮到怎麼樣去把業界在科技產業的這些師資……","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:45.609000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:46.609000+08:00","text":"學用落差嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:46.609000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:47.609000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:46.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:27:50.813000+08:00","text":"能夠引進到大學，有一個共聘、合聘的機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:27:51.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:26.139000+08:00","text":"另外也跟委員報告，確實教育部現在也在規劃一個AI世代未來人才的想像圖像，借用Google的簡立峰，還有鴻海研究院的院長，我們有許多業界來幫我們規劃、想像我們在AI世代裡面未來的人才，包含從小學到大學所有的能力……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:27.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:28.421000+08:00","text":"對，我講的是從源頭。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:28.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:39.090000+08:00","text":"是，所以產業這邊已經開始……剛才吳主委也特別提到，產業怎麼跟學校有許多的產學合作……","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:39.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:40.090000+08:00","text":"我是問產業有在協助培訓嗎？","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:40.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:41.090000+08:00","text":"吳主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:40.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:41.952000+08:00","text":"事實上我們的管道都是暢通的。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:42.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:47.177000+08:00","text":"產學合作和合聘現在我們會同步進行，所以會善用業界的師資人才。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:47.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:50.439000+08:00","text":"所以產學合作跟合聘在法律上沒有問題？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:50.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:51.814000+08:00","text":"應該沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:51.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:52.335000+08:00","text":"這是沒有問題的！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:52.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:52.995000+08:00","text":"沒有問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:52.995000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:28:54.356000+08:00","text":"我們過去在做業師……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:28:54.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:02.964000+08:00","text":"我們怎麼樣在這幾年間（2025到2028年）解決這35萬的缺口？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:03.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:07.928000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣能夠擴大這種人才的培訓？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:08.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:10.150000+08:00","text":"你不要再講二刀流了吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:10.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:11.351000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:11.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:12.292000+08:00","text":"二刀流不夠嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:12.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:14.233000+08:00","text":"你為什麼不敢大膽地講？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:14.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:17.893000+08:00","text":"卓院長，你為什麼不敢大膽地講？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:17.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:21.075000+08:00","text":"二刀流夠嗎？我們……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:21.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:22.436000+08:00","text":"二刀流夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:22.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:26.959000+08:00","text":"你現在需要跨領域的合作，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:27.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:28.280000+08:00","text":"各個領域都要介入！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:28.280000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:29.280000+08:00","text":"在AI的領域當中也需要各種各式的人才啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:29.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:40.808000+08:00","text":"各行各業、百工百業，現在你們在推AI、在導入AI，但你只有什麼二刀流，其他的都不用，哪兩個科系要？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:41.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:45.712000+08:00","text":"是每一個科系都可能需要AI的導入，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:46.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:54.854000+08:00","text":"是，我們的確對各行各業都會去協助，所以我們也會發展相關的工具，這個工具讓各行各業都可以使用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:57.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:29:59.255000+08:00","text":"卓院長，那目標有沒有可能達成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:29:59.255000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:05.417000+08:00","text":"我們目標在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:05.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:06.697000+08:00","text":"有35萬的AI人才缺口。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:07.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:12.758000+08:00","text":"這個在我們AI新十大建設當中，也有一個區塊是人才的培育跟資金的引入。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:13.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:30.493000+08:00","text":"在人才培育當中，從過去經濟部、教育部跟國科會等等，都有不同的計畫在做執行，比方說我們有一個STEM的先進人才培訓計畫，就希望能夠培訓出4,700位的人才出來，當然人才培訓不是一朝一夕，那我們在……","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:30.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:32.215000+08:00","text":"你有沒有辦法達成目標？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:32.215000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:33.215000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:32.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:49.176000+08:00","text":"我們既然設定目標就是逐步向目標前進，逐年來達成這個目標，但是現在的困難度是業界也非常欠缺各種人才，我們要從業界的業師來，除非跟學校做大規模的產學合作或合併，否則還是有困難。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:30:49.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:30:58.901000+08:00","text":"而且現在不只是大學的AI師資不夠，所以我才提是不是要業界的師資？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:31:00.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:31:19.994000+08:00","text":"在中小學、高中的部分，我回到彰化一看，在偏鄉非六都以外的最大縣市，結果不管是AI的師資或是設備也好，可能都有欠缺，這怎麼解決？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:31:21.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:31:47.715000+08:00","text":"我們希望數位的落差能夠照過去的計畫，逐步地將各個城鄉之間數位的落差弭平起來，這是在硬體設備上面；至於師資，因為我們讓小學、國中提早進入到AI的領域當中絕對是需要的，他所需要的就不是那種最高深的，而是基本的，那基本的人才經過這樣的培訓是可以在學校裡面找到培訓的對象。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:31:48.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:31:55.559000+08:00","text":"卓院長，你不要講得太快，我跟你講這有陷阱，問題是……你問問鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:31:55.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:12.767000+08:00","text":"鄭部長，你們是不是針對13歲以下的學生有一個英材網e度這樣的工具，防範學生私下使用通用型的AI，就像ChatGPT還有Gemini。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:13.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:17.774000+08:00","text":"我想請教這樣子會不會有政策矛盾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:18.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:43.425000+08:00","text":"我們一方面希望學生可以趕快地銜接AI，一方面我們又不希望他用AI，當然我們現在在使用網路或者是科技工具的時候，你用Gemini、ChatGPT好像是日常一樣，所以你應該是教導學生怎麼正確的使用嘛！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:43.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:44.425000+08:00","text":"對不對！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:44.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:45.425000+08:00","text":"國科會吳主委，你說一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:44.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:49.266000+08:00","text":"這就是教育的一部分，不能讓他盡信、依賴，這就是教育一部分。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:49.266000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:51.007000+08:00","text":"我想確實是如委員所講的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:32:51.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:32:58.969000+08:00","text":"吳主委你看一下，如果這樣子中小學的教育會不會導致我們AI的政策有矛盾性？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-28T15:33:00.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:33:16.639000+08:00","text":"我非常同意委員講的，就是我們從小要教小朋友，讓他知道AI的能力、限制及它可能會造成的危害，讓他了解這一點，然後老師要教他善用AI的工具，在沒有指導之下，讓他自己去使用的確是有危險。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:33:17.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:33:43.447000+08:00","text":"但是我們要善用，要教他怎麼樣檢查，檢查就是我們運用Google找出來的資料是否具正確性，這都是我們大人在社會上會正確地想辦法來使用這個工具，可是如果我們在中小學的AI教育以及AI師資，因為大學都沒有了，那我們中小學的AI怎麼辦？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:33:43.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:13.020000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員所關心及擔心的確實就是我們教育部現在所規劃的，我們希望在小學階段裡面，12歲以下不要用生成式AI，而是由老師指導你如何使用，因為許多的生成式資訊，到底怎麼樣去判斷以及很多的能力都是必須要被老師指導、引導及教導，然後慢慢的學習，而且他不能只是完全靠電腦生成所有的資訊。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:13.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:17.283000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道，所以代表中小學學生不能用Google？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:17.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:23.047000+08:00","text":"因為現在Google都已經……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:23.047000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:24.047000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，不是中小學生，是12歲以下，生成式的，他還是可以用AI，但是生成式的我們會有一些限制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:23.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:25.489000+08:00","text":"要讓學生建立一個正確的觀念。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:26.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:44.684000+08:00","text":"我想在許多的學習過程中，我們希望更能養成一個能夠提問題，而且能夠辨別訊息的真偽，不是解決問題的時候只是把題目丟給電腦，然後由生成式的AI幫他找答案。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:45.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:34:46.165000+08:00","text":"我知道，我們應該是要……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:34:47.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:08.542000+08:00","text":"我們有一套從產業的專業到學科領域的專家，事實上我們現在就是在討論這個基本能力，而且我們初步規劃的圖像，包括各個年級的目標、能力的培養以及要怎麼樣使用這個科技的一些倫理，像這些我們都有納入規劃。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:08.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:13.124000+08:00","text":"那怎麼樣解決偏鄉以及目前AI的師資？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:15.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:21.448000+08:00","text":"我有提到了，甚至雙語的教育也有這樣的師資問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:23.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:30.272000+08:00","text":"我們確實在這個部分的政策，當我們今年的預算過了以後，我們事實上已經跟22個地方縣市都……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:30.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:31.773000+08:00","text":"這個不用等預算過啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:32.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:34.154000+08:00","text":"現在就可以做了啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:35.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:35:50.509000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這裡面包含地方跟中央怎麼合作在未來逐年讓每一個學生都有iPad，能夠直接在學校裡面學習，包含我們的酷英網。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:35:50.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:36:14.548000+08:00","text":"事實上，我們在整個網頁許多線上學習的資源都已經開發好了，而且也都有結合AI，所以也利用這個機會跟委員報告，我們中央跟地方已經有一個合作模式，包含電腦的採購，中央要付多少、地方要付多少，都已經談妥了！","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:36:15.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:36:22.811000+08:00","text":"我覺得一些政策的部分我們應該要理性的來討論怎麼樣執行，而且這是賴總統自己所宣示的，今年是AI人才年，那我們怎麼樣培訓AI的人才？","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:36:23.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:36:29.472000+08:00","text":"這個東西不用等預算通過，你們整個行政院都應該大力去做，是不是？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-28T15:36:30.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:36:51.916000+08:00","text":"你們沒有做，導致現在基層各縣市大家在找AI的師資、在找雙語的師資等等都面臨相關的問題，未來在我們全力發展AI產業的時候，這都是一個非常嚴重的問題，我希望卓院長跟教育部還有國科會都可以注意，好不好？","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:36:52.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:36:59.844571+08:00","text":"我們會全面落實AI新十大建設當中的每一個環節，謝謝委員。","quality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