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謝謝郭益群委員的資訊"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:16+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:17+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:17+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:18+08:00","text":"有請國科會陳副主委、中研院彭副院長及數發部侯次長，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:16.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:17.110000+08:00","text":"請機關代表到備詢臺，謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:38.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:39.230000+08:00","text":"三位早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:41.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:44.952000+08:00","text":"因為這個問題應該是跨部會的，所以先請你們三位上臺，不好意思。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:45.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:53.575000+08:00","text":"我想今天要談的這三個主題，其實核心重點就在問一件事情，就是臺灣的AI到底有沒有一套真正的國家戰略？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:54.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:55.936000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要這麼說呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:56.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:09.927000+08:00","text":"第一部分，AI其實不是三塊拼圖，剛剛也提到，它應該是一個系統，目前臺灣的AI發展大致分為三塊，我來敘述一下，不曉得對不對，三位可以指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:11.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:32.551000+08:00","text":"國科會是做科研模型跟學門，中研院做的是學術標準及倫理的部分，數發部則是做應用資料跟治理，我想這三個部分應該沒有錯，看起來這個分工其實是很清楚，但是我們擔心的是各做各的、沒有整合。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:33.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:41.474000+08:00","text":"我舉幾個比較實際的例子，我想學門其實是傳統的分科，但是剛剛宜瑾委員也特別提到，AI是跨領域的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:42.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:59.440000+08:00","text":"另外，在倫理的部分，目前大部分我們都是用指引的方式，並沒有真正的制度，AI已經進入到了政府跟產業，但是在透明的機制上可能還沒有辦法完全的補足、沒有辦法完全跟上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:00.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:12.710000+08:00","text":"從研究一直到應用，這中間銜接的責任，目前為止，大家感覺好像還不是那麼的清楚，我首先想請教的是，目前有沒有一個所謂的跨部會統整機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:13.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:16.714000+08:00","text":"再來就是到底由誰來做最後的決策？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:18.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:20.757000+08:00","text":"這個權責大致上是怎麼樣分的？請教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:22.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:40.930000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前行政院有一個三政委平臺，名稱我不是記得很清楚，是由國發會主委、國科會主委及法制政委，三位政委共同主持的一個會議，會去做跨部會的協商。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:41.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.192000+08:00","text":"所以它只是一個會議而已嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.972000+08:00","text":"它是一個協商平臺，所以各部會都會參與。","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.972000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:46.972000+08:00","text":"協商平臺？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:46.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:46.452000+08:00","text":"最後的決策都會是怎麼樣來……","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:46.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:47.633000+08:00","text":"最後的決策還是回到行政院，應該是由行政院這邊來做最後決策。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:47.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:14.883000+08:00","text":"好，我再問一個更關鍵的問題，AI已經進入了所謂高風險的領域，比方說，像是公共治理、醫療、法律，以及現在所謂的倫理規範，還停留在所謂的學界自律，問題是將來這個會不會讓它制度化？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:15.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:25.146000+08:00","text":"比方說像是分級制度的管理，或者是強制的風險評估，政府在使用AI的時候，需不需要隨時向民眾做揭露？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:25.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:34.750000+08:00","text":"目前有沒有比較明確的進程或規劃，整個時程大概是怎麼樣？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:34.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:51.617000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就各個部會主管機關去對產業做的規範，我們就是會透過風險分類框架去協助各部會做盤點，在政府機關……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:51.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:53.518000+08:00","text":"但是沒有強制，對不對？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:53.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:54.879000+08:00","text":"這個部分目前是不是沒有強制？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:56.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:57.314000+08:00","text":"應該說我們的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:58.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:58.795000+08:00","text":"只是一個指引？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-2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PB，全球的中文語料有90%是來自於中國，換句話說，我們在用AI，可是資料的主權居然不在自己的手上，我想這個部分大家都會有一些隱憂啦。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:52.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:01.694000+08:00","text":"不管是語料、模型、應用還是分三邊在做，語料是數發部，內容的部分應該是中研院，對不對？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:01.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:14.767000+08:00","text":"模型的部分是國科會，又來了，這三個感覺分工都很細，問題是我們現在講的是中間會不會缺少一條所謂的整體戰略主軸？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:15.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:21.734000+08:00","text":"這個部分誰來回答我一下，目前我們到底有沒有主權AI的整體戰略整合機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:22.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:26.819000+08:00","text":"再來，三個部會又是怎麼樣來做分工、協作的？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳主任委員炳宇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:28.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:42.051000+08:00","text":"跟委員回報，這一塊雖然是分三個單位在做，但其實我們是一起在努力，模型這一塊雖然是國科會在主導，但是我們也跟中研院合作在做開發跟推動。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:42.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:52.739000+08:00","text":"既然是三個部會都有在做，那我要請問具體的語料建設目標，我要問一下這個目標，我們要做到多少量？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:53.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:54+08:00","text":"我們要幾年完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:54.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:57.944000+08:00","text":"再來，我們能不能夠支撐下一代的模型部分？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:59.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:00.005000+08:00","text":"這個誰可以回答我？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:01.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:15.080000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，語料的部分在法規上有非常大的限制，我想委員也應該清楚，因為臺灣著作權法的規定，還有合理使用……","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:15.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:16.581000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有一個目標？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:18.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:27.626000+08:00","text":"數位部現在在草擬資料創新發展利用條例，希望能夠有一些突破，我們現在也在積極溝通當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:28.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:53.496000+08:00","text":"另外，我們目前能做的是透過語料庫的建立，設計一定的授權機制，首先是邀請各部會來提供語料，今年開始我們也邀請民間廠商能夠依據授權機制把他們的語料放進這個主權語料庫裡面，希望能夠持續推進，如果在法規上面有更大的突破就會更容易。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:54.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:58.580000+08:00","text":"有沒有預計什麼時程可以完成，或者是完成多少目標？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:58.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:25.036000+08:00","text":"另外，剛剛有提到所謂語料的部分，其實我們現在講語料大部分是所謂的科普跟學科，但是問題是我們有很大、很重要的一個關鍵是產業資料跟實務上的資料，我們怎麼樣讓這個部分也能夠進入到AI的訓練，有沒有一些制度或者誘因能夠吸引這樣的方向？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:26.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:36.164000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，有關於這個語料庫，數發部在去年年底12月24號就公布上線，目前的語料量是1.2 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tokens。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:36.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:46.953000+08:00","text":"當然語料庫的徵集，我們是先從中央政府開始，在今年年初的時候，我們就朝地方政府邁進，所以會有很多在地的語料一起進來。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:47.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:54.436000+08:00","text":"我們在今年下半年會針對民間的語料開始進行徵集，所以我們是以有系統、有步驟的方式來擴大我們的語料量。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:54.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:59.819000+08:00","text":"我覺得語料量沒有止境的一天，我們會努力不斷地把這個語料庫擴大。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:59.819000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:00.819000+08:00","text":"有沒有定期的盤點？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:00.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:02.740000+08:00","text":"然後盤點的一些資訊是不是可以公開提供？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:03.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:06.322000+08:00","text":"再來，有沒有變成所謂的成效評估機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:06.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:11.824000+08:00","text":"就是變成一個可以一直不斷地被複製、一直不斷被修正這樣的機制，有沒有？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:12.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:32.663000+08:00","text":"對，委員的建議非常的好，我們在中央跟地方政府這個部分都有開工作坊，請他們來進行定期的盤點，我們在年底的時候會有一個評獎的機制……","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:32.663000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:34.874500+08:00","text":"所謂的定期大概是多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:34.874500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:37.086000+08:00","text":"我們大概每兩、三個月就請他們盤一次，每次盤點我們會以協作的方式，請他們把資料放到語料庫上面來，我們在年底的時候會有一個評獎的機制，看看中央跟地方政府還有民間團體他們努力的成果，我們會頒獎……","quality":0.299},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:37.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:38.246000+08:00","text":"所以有一些誘因就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:38.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:40.147000+08:00","text":"對，會有一個頒獎的機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:40.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:48.452000+08:00","text":"好，如果有一些比較具體的計畫，就像您剛剛所說的這些內容其實是很豐富的，這些具體的計畫可以再提供給我辦公室嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:48.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:48.612000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊司長明芬","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:49.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:52.794000+08:00","text":"可以，我們整理一份資料給委員辦公室參考。謝謝。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:52.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:52.954000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:52.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:53.094000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:55.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:56.076000+08:00","text":"謝謝郭昱晴委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:56.576000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:00.576000+08:00","text":"接下來有請陳秀寳委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}