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text":"次長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:18:07.933000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:18:08.933000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:18:08.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:18:25.286000+08:00","text":"我想請教次長，AI基本法在去年底已經三讀通過，市面上開始有越來越多號稱具AI功能的產品在販售，本席想針對這些AI產品的相關問題來請教、釐清。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:18:26.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:18:46.642000+08:00","text":"市面上有許多號稱有AI功能的產品，像我們現在投影片上面看到的，家電產品很多會標榜它是AI，次長，請您看一下本席投影片上面，這些目前市面上販售的AI產品，你們覺得有哪些是真正有運用到AI科技？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:18:49.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:18:50.244000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:18:50.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:03.314000+08:00","text":"委員提出的這個問題非常、非常的重要，其實沒有辦法從行銷廣告上面，他說是AI我們就直接認定是AI，那……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:03.314000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:04.314000+08:00","text":"對，所以？","quality":0},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:03.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:12.258000+08:00","text":"所以我想必須要透過人工智慧基本法裡面的定義。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:12.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:24.623000+08:00","text":"我們在人工智慧基本法裡面的定義應該是有自主運行能力的系統，然後透過機器學習演算法，針對明確或隱含目標實現預測、內容、建議或決策，影響實體或虛擬環境的產出，那所以……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:34.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:47.601000+08:00","text":"對，次長您的回答就是AI基本法規範的AI的定義，就是要包含自主運行能力，機器可以學習跟演算，也可以產出影響實體或虛擬環境之預測、內容、建議或決策。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:48.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:19:57.147000+08:00","text":"但是如同剛才我們所說的，光看相片、圖片或是說產品上面寫了AI，其實我們很難去判斷是不是真的有這些功能。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:19:57.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:20:17.311000+08:00","text":"其實這些產品不用寫AI，它本身就是一個很好用的家電了，那你冠上AI，其實對消費者來講他沒有辦法理解，本來就是很基本功能的，像滑鼠還是吹風機，冠上AI之後對它的使用性、實用性或者影響在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:20:17.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:20:29.719000+08:00","text":"對民眾來講，他感受到最大的差別是，只要冠上AI兩個字，好像價格就會提高，這很明顯的會讓我們的消費者權益受損，他會多花冤枉錢。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:20:29.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:20:36.805000+08:00","text":"那為什麼我在這邊提出，我想問的是廠商可以任意的在他的產品上面放AI這兩個字嗎？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:20:36.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:20:50.409000+08:00","text":"就這個部分來說，我不太確定是不是有涉及不實廣告的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:20:51.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:21:09.840000+08:00","text":"次長，這邊要跟您討論的就是，我們剛才提到AI基本法裡面有規定AI的定義有3個要點，這些宣稱有AI科技的相關產品是不是一定要符合這些要件才能說是AI產品？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:21:13.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:21:24.241000+08:00","text":"就是說它如果不符合我們剛才講的自主運行能力，或是可以學習與演算等這些相關的功能，它是不是應該不能標榜是AI產品？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:21:25.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:21:31.421000+08:00","text":"委員，就我目前所知，似乎沒有法律做這樣明確的強制。好。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:21:32.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:21:56.727000+08:00","text":"我現在要給你們的建議就是，既然AI基本法已經三讀通過，對於AI的定義也已經很明確，就是我們剛剛講的那3個要件，希望相關部會可以協助這些AI科技相關的應用，有民眾建議可以像節能標章一樣有申請及認證機制來保障消費者權益，次長，您覺得呢？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:21:58.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:22:03.735000+08:00","text":"這部分會跟各個主管機關去做討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:22:04.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:22:41.843000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，人工智慧基本法第三條雖然是這樣子定義，但是因為技術一直在發展當中，而且目前變化非常非常快，在不同的領域裡面，到底怎麼去定義它已經有自主運行能力，我覺得各個領域面對技術的評估可能會不太一樣，是不是能夠透過標章的方式，我們會去做討論和研究。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:22:43.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:22:52.088000+08:00","text":"本席提出這樣的疑問的時候，次長本身也會覺得好像他說它是AI，到底是不是？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:22:52.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:06.995000+08:00","text":"還是它只是具備這樣的產品所必須有的基本功能而已，因為登上熱潮就放上AI兩個字，讓消費者無所適從，也無法辨別，因為這樣子他多花了錢。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:06.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:49.663000+08:00","text":"所以當有這樣的疑慮產生的時候，我這邊提醒的是希望你們跟國科會、經濟部共同研議，對於剛才民眾建議用標章或是申請認證來保護消費者，也讓這些相關的家電、電器產品在生產的時候，因為他們是需要透過認證、申請或一個這樣的程序，他們在產品上精益求精，如果想要讓民眾覺得東西更好用而要有AI功能的時候，他必須去研發，而不是輕易地把這樣的稱謂冠上去，就可以得到消費者的支持，您覺得呢？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:50.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:15.787000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的意見，我覺得這個方向我們會跟各個部會在風險分類框架底下去做討論，委員剛剛提出來的，不論是標章認證還是能量登錄這種方式，應該是在各個可能的因應措施裡面必須要被考慮的。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:16.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:24.456000+08:00","text":"好，就麻煩次長在跟國科會或經濟部研議出一個初步結論的時候，請把報告給我的辦公室。","quality":0.378},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:24.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:25.817000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:26.317000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:29.174143+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝，謝謝主席。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:29.474143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:33.759857+08:00","text":"謝謝陳秀寳委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:34.059857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:38.059857+08:00","text":"接下來有請陳培瑜委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}